Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Lawmaker]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Just sent a PM to the OP to update his first post with names so no one has to dig through the thread. It'll be a nice "Most Wanted"

Yeah- feel free to update it in the first post. I don't have time. Back to 2020 topps project on ebay!

[seabass97166]

Yesterday morning I woke up and made my first purchases of Project 2020. Between this thread and eBay, I looked up and it was 2:30 in the afternoon!

Today I’m supposed to meet a local seller to pick up 8 of those cards. The clock is NOT moving!

[RickeyHenderson]

Originally Posted by Redbandit

Wake up
Immediatley check sold listings on ebay
Spit out my coffee
Hold my 'precious'
Lie to wife about how much theyre worth
Laugh maniacally to myself

My gawd that was funny...made my first 2 hours of the morning up!

[Bob Ross]

PSA for everyone buying preorders off of ebay in here. If the seller's other items include Supreme/Bape/etc, don't buy. If you do see Supreme/Bape/etc, make sure the card is in hand and on a day the PO is open.

[mrmike79]

How do we purchase directly from Topps? Cards go live at a certain time every day?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Not to sound all Justiny...but...

Every card is going up every day.

Which is sick to begin with.

However... the Money Bear seems to be stuck at $550-600.

Granted, it's a 500% ROI - which is effing awesome. Do ya'll think it's stuck there or going to see a rise once in hand?

when will the second bear be released?

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Hahaha dude this guy. I messaged asking what's up (since I never received a message just a cacncellation):

"I went to ship and I can’t find the cards. They were in my garage I think my daughters friend stole them all. I can’t ship what I don’t have."

Oh man, we definitely need to keep a list of not only who backs out on pre-sales, but their excuses. That would be pure comedy!

[Skunkbush]

Is there a way I can block this Justin guys posts? The dude is super annoying and my eyes do a 360 every time I see his posts.

[Ebmisfit]

That's awful. I bet her daughter's "friend" has an ebay account

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Hahaha dude this guy. I messaged asking what's up (since I never received a message just a cacncellation):

"I went to ship and I can’t find the cards. They were in my garage I think my daughters friend stole them all. I can’t ship what I don’t have."

[WHyFLy]

Baller Gooden now up to $50 too, I'm loving this.

[Bruvydsb]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Not to sound all Justiny...but...

Every card is going up every day.

Which is sick to begin with.

However... the Money Bear seems to be stuck at $550-600.

Granted, it's a 500% ROI - which is effing awesome. Do ya'll think it's stuck there or going to see a rise once in hand?

Imagine what card(s) you could have bought with that $500 2 days ago and what that value would be today. Certainly not $575.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Redbandit

Wake up
Immediatley check sold listings on ebay
Spit out my coffee
Hold my 'precious'
Lie to wife about how much theyre worth
Laugh maniacally to myself

What you dont do this everyday?? Like groundhog day around here but the numbers get bigger. Wait till this evening when the guy starts rambling about “everyday we stray further from god”


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[SaveMeTheGum]

Post cancellations here. I will update OP with names and excuses!

Project 2020 - Most wanted list of pre-sale cancellations - AND excuses!

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by Skunkbush

Is there a way I can block this Justin guys posts? The dude is super annoying and my eyes do a 360 every time I see his posts.

Click on name -> View Profile -> Thee will be a "user list tab" directly below his name -> add to ignore list

[Bob Loblaw]

This scares the eff out of me. Granted, this is just manipulating the market and increasing the prices . . . .but at some point it is going to crash.... isn't it?

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

....you were saying?

(I dont know exactly when these were taken, so some of the prices will be out of date with what they are now, but if you were questioning the manipulation, here you go)





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[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Bruvydsb

Imagine what card(s) you could have bought with that $500 2 days ago and what that value would be today. Certainly not $575.

Shhhhhhh shhhhhhhh, the ATM is still malfunctioning and only a few of us know about it.

[JRX]

This seems more and more its people speculating vs true demand for these cards, but who knows. I bought some because I actually wanted them. I'll buy rest from topps or TwinsJake.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

When you actually have time to catch up on this thread, it's also fun to re-live some of the early days.

No doubt, did that yesterday....you see the same doubters back then that you do today....and the same members that are trying to help, still trying.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

when will the second bear be released?

There's a second bear?

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

My mind is really having a hard time wrapping itself around whats going on here...

Just all the mainstream attention cards and these in general are getting are fueling this? The scarcity of some the earlier sub-2000 PRs, I get. But cards that I won with a very high PR (Trout Thiele, 13,200 PR) selling for 8x-10x the MSRP is crazy.

The rational sentiment is that we are deep into bag holder territory.

I'm certain this has been touched on in the past in this thread.

From the sideline, it appears the allure is derived from the belief that these cards have a higher ceiling than any traditional Topps release, because there's a crossover market between urban art/sneakerhead/pop art fanatics/non-sports fans and baseball cards.

Man, I'm not seeing it. Not long enough for it to be sustainable. Not long enough to want to sink money into this.

I looked up "ermsy" on Instagram. The artist posts a picture of each card they make, in addition to their other projects. A picture of Bettie Boop partaking in some adult activity next to a lustful Garfield has garnered nearly 10,000 "likes"... the Dwight Gooden card has under 1,500 likes. For whatever an Internet like is worth, I'm sensing that these cards may not garner the same interest in an untapped market as baseball card speculators are hoping.

There's too many weird factors in a play.

I recognize that this isn't Topps Living Set--which had a ton of hype, had no limitation on number of cards which could be produced, and has seen waning interest. Topps Living set began with common players having 3-4k print runs, saw that balloon to 7-9k, including close to 50k on Acuna, and has since dropped to a fairly consistent ~2k on common players. Most of these cards are available for under MSRP. The exception would be if you got one of the very early commons (Panik, Markakis) prior to the ballooning print run, which have provided significant ROI ($10 to $75-80). I think the artist crossover is a much more compelling product.

However...
Even on the low-end at 1,000 copies--that's not a small amount of cards.

If you're buying because you love the cards and the artist, then the price point doesn't matter.

If you're buying as an investment (which appears to be what most are doing), you're speculating on some combination of:
1) Sustained interest in the project
2) Popularity of the artist increasing
3) Demand exceeding supply

What i find very unsettling is this mentality that you can list a card at a hefty premium, and expect to wake up the next day and the card be sold (as was mentioned a couple pages back). This is not how rational markets behave.

Not to mention these "articles" which read like penny stock boiler room material.

Flippers ordering cards from other flippers, listing them at huge premiums prior to receiving the card, and then canceling orders because the first flipper no longer wants to sell a card at what appears to have exponentially increased in value?

I understand the rookie card market can be irrational from a gambling angle--group breakers charging premiums to give people a small shot at hitting a whale, all that fun psychological stuff.

This is bag holder territory and people are going to get burned.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

This scares the eff out of me. Granted, this is just manipulating the market and increasing the prices . . . .but at some point it is going to crash.... isn't it?

Yea, i wouldnt spend more then $30 on these, as they are fun to collect

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

when will the second bear be released?

Yes and when that happens will rookie rookie bear wookie card will see a bump.


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[Shankweather]

Just picked up the last two I needed to complete the "first of each artist" set, Oldmanalan Gwynn and Thiele Mays. Cards 1-18, 21, and 73. I bought most of them at retail from Jake but stupidly skipped a few. I think I'll finish out the sets of Ermsy, Saladeen, and maybe Siff, those are my favorite artists from the set.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Snakeonia

Yes and when that happens will rookie rookie bear wookie card will see a bump.


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i think the rookie bear will see a bump after the fifth bear comes out

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

Sorry but this is just weird.
For you to trust Jake, you have to believe he trusts Topps even more.


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Sorry that you think it’s weird, you’re just thinking about it very, very narrowly.

I trust that if TwinsJake get shorted by Topps, drops my cards in the spaghetti, dog chews it- he will send me one of his personal cards as a replacement instead of my $16.

If Topps screws up my $1,000 market price card- they will refunded me $19.99.


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