2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

So I'm getting $6,000 so far or do they deduct the $1200 I already got?

$6,000. AND the payments last for three months after the national emergency is lifted. So no matter what, you're 12k in the good right now.

Vote democrat and watch all your wildest money dreams come true.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

$6,000. AND the payments last for three months after the national emergency is lifted. So no matter what, you're 12k in the good right now.

Vote democrat and watch all your wildest money dreams come true.

Wait I have to vote?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You don't say?



Chris Murphy is a US Senator from Connecticut, a Democratic leader.

What, you think Trump voters who feel insulted by facts get to have their votes in this next election counted as two votes or something?

Good luck with that.

You have brought this up between here and the Coronavirus thread at least 4 times by my count, but yet do not damn Fauci for saying its of no worry to the American people a week before.

So many contradictions, you can't count em.

[hostilecarrot]

I am gonna be honest with you guys. I spent the last four years listening to the left complain that Trump is a senile adult with multiple sexual assault allegations. I bought into the narrative - I truly think we should demand better for commander in chief.

Now that the DNC has opted for Biden as the front runner, I have given up on caring about politics. So much time wasted informing myself and caring when it really doesn’t matter. As reflected by this thread, objectivity has been lost. Little, if anything, will change. Better to use the time and energy elsewhere.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

The way things are headed is really alarming. There is nothing normal about whats going on. Scare the people, make them depend on the government, and then take away their freedoms. How long before they start to twist whats going on into getting people to give up their firearms?

I think they know this is not possible.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

This is why this state is doomed. The whole thing is set up for TL; DR.

It's just a campaign ad for Cuomo and his "new normal," a false premise by which he will warp the future of the state to meld with his own dictatorial vision. Filled with MUST, HAS TO, WILL sorts of directives. "Never let a crisis go to waste!"

Here are some gems:

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Of course, it’s not plausible to be inside 100% of the time – you have to go get groceries, check the mail, and walk the dog. Still, the fact is that every minute someone’s interacting with the public, they’re increasing the risk to themselves, and they’re increasing the risk to other people. Taking unnecessary risks also disrespects the sacrifices of frontline workers. Failing to do your part could mean more people get infected, potentially overwhelming hospitals or infecting heath care workers themselves.

We will be "Wearing a mask, all the time."

REIMAGINE EDUCATION WITH BILL GATES
Going forward, we must explore ways in which our education can be reimagined, including by examining ways technology can be used to provide more opportunities to students, reduce educational inequality, and better meet the educational needs of students with disabilities.
Over the coming months, New York State will partner with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as local education leaders from across the state, to convene experts and develop a blueprint to adapt our state’s education system for this new normal. To aid in the development of these plans, in early May, the State launched a Reimagine Education
Advisory Council, made up of educators, students, parents and education leaders, to help districts reimagine schools as they prepare to reopen.

CLOSING THOUGHTS
"The solutions won’t be easy – and aren’t even necessarily clear today."
[BUT WE JUST HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH 51pp. OF OUR PLANS]

BELIEVE THE DEAR LEADER
And it will require all New Yorkers to put their faith in competent elected
officials, guided by facts, rather than by optics, celebrity, and press releases.
That is what we owe our state.

NY and PA look to be the two states that are going to require a federal step in. Two governors, one on the way out that is doing party bidding, and the other trying to make a run for the White House. PA is going to get ugly, NY seems to be laying down like sheep.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

I am gonna be honest with you guys. I spent the last four years listening to the left complain that Trump is a senile adult with multiple sexual assault allegations. I bought into the narrative - I truly think we should demand better for commander in chief.

Now that the DNC has opted for Biden as the front runner, I have given up on caring about politics. So much time wasted informing myself and caring when it really doesn’t matter. As reflected by this thread, objectivity has been lost. Little, if anything, will change. Better to use the time and energy elsewhere.

Agree with the bolded.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

$6,000. AND the payments last for three months after the national emergency is lifted. So no matter what, you're 12k in the good right now.

Vote republican and watch all your wildest money dreams come true.

Fixed!

[Onions]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

And here is one of he best posts of this thread that will be ignored by everyone.

How do you do mass scale testing on 330 million people on a virus that had only been known about for a couple months? Especially considering the medical "experts" were stating there was nothing to worry about here in the US and China was withholding information and critical scientific data on what this virus actually was. The first tests that came online were terrible with extremely poor accuracy. We had to build this from the ground up, with the entire world trying to do the same thing at the same time. All of us depending on China to make us all the tools to do it. We are getting an expensive lesson here. One I hope we actually learn from. I know one man in particular that has been banging the China drum for 30 years, problem is, he is orange.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

And here is one of he best posts of this thread that will be ignored by everyone.

It was replied to at least twice.

And yet after a line of questioning that let to what the higher number of tests would've gotten us, there was no response. It's easy to say more tests is better. How many, and a logical positive outcome of that - not so much.

[Dbacksbaseball]

750 deaths yesterday, 1000 today. 2250 Tomorrow.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

The way things are headed is really alarming. There is nothing normal about whats going on. Scare the people, make them depend on the government, and then take away their freedoms. How long before they start to twist whats going on into getting people to give up their firearms?

How long do you think it will be?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I was referring to today's posts and there'd been no rebuttals.

I see you have none either, just more insults.

Today's posts are nothing but regurgitated bile from your previous posts. The posts that many of us gave rebuttals to. There was no insult in my post, just a recommendation to reread every post, not just the one's you like. You need some new material.
#brokenrecord

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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rman112

It was replied to at least twice.

And yet after a line of questioning that let to what the higher number of tests would've gotten us, there was no response. It's easy to say more tests is better. How many, and a logical positive outcome of that - not so much.

Surprisingly, yes. I see there are responses.


question: do you think testing is important? Should we have it at all?

[Soxfanguy]

I think letting the states do the reopening experiment has failed. Trump should make it so if everything in the state isn’t reopen by July 4th(like Indiana is doing), no more help from the federal government

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Today's posts are nothing but regurgitated bile from your previous posts. The posts that many of us gave rebuttals to. There was no insult in my post, just a recommendation to reread every post, not just the one's you like. You need some new material.
#brokenrecord

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For realz.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

You have brought this up between here and the Coronavirus thread at least 4 times by my count, but yet do not damn Fauci for saying its of no worry to the American people a week before.

So many contradictions, you can't count em.

Well, maybe someone else could.
Are you sure it wasn't a dozen?

Talk to the different people keep incorrectly saying no one could've possibly known better. The next person who says it will see it again.

As for Fauci, he said a lot more than there was "no worry" on that Feb. 29th Today show appearance. Here it is:

Peter Alexander: So, Dr. Fauci, it’s Saturday morning in America. People are waking up right now with real concerns about this. They want to go to malls and movies, maybe the gym as well. Should we be changing our habits and, if so, how?"

Fauci: No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

Kristen Welker: "Dr. Fauci, quickly, how does this all end?"

Fauci: "You know, it ends if you -- it depends on the nature of the outbreak. I mean, this could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or it could be something that’s reasonably well controlled. At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down. Hopefully we could protect the American public from any serious degree of morbidity or mortality. That’s the reason why we’ve got to do the things that we have in our plan."

Despite the President being privy to far more information than Fauci ever was or will be, 9 days later, Trump still had his head buried in the sand as his clueless tweet indicates.

America suffers today for it.

[pingbling23]

Don’t change anything, the risk is low...... he obviously didn’t know much.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by Onions

How do you do mass scale testing on 330 million people on a virus that had only been known about for a couple months?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Despite the President being privy to far more information than Fauci ever was or will be, 9 days later, Trump still had his head buried in the sand as his clueless tweet indicates.

Sounds like Fauci dropped the ball. He should have known far more about the virus than Trump did or still does. It is kinda his job, no? I didn't vote for Trump because of his medical credentials. I don't remember getting a chance to vote for Fauci's position at all.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Well, maybe someone else could.
Are you sure it wasn't a dozen?

Talk to the different people keep incorrectly saying no one could've possibly known better. The next person who says it will see it again.

As for Fauci, he said a lot more than there was "no worry" on that Feb. 29th Today show appearance. Here it is:

Peter Alexander: So, Dr. Fauci, it’s Saturday morning in America. People are waking up right now with real concerns about this. They want to go to malls and movies, maybe the gym as well. Should we be changing our habits and, if so, how?"

Fauci: No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

Kristen Welker: "Dr. Fauci, quickly, how does this all end?"

Fauci: "You know, it ends if you -- it depends on the nature of the outbreak. I mean, this could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or it could be something that’s reasonably well controlled. At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down. Hopefully we could protect the American public from any serious degree of morbidity or mortality. That’s the reason why we’ve got to do the things that we have in our plan."

Despite the President being privy to far more information than Fauci ever was or will be, 9 days later, Trump still had his head buried in the sand as his clueless tweet indicates.

America suffers today for it.

LOL, yea....did you really think I didnt have the link.....quoting a different conversation.

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1246156119938080776

'Well, I, Uhh, obviously you need to take it seriously and do the kinds of things that the CDC and Department of Homeland security are doing. But this is not a major threat for the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about." - Dr. Fauci 1/21/20

This crushes your argument in totality. He acknowledges the DOHS is working on it--which would be a presidential directive--and says that its not a major threat to anyone in the US.

Simply put if the main advisor was under prepared, the president was going to be as well.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Surprisingly, yes. I see there are responses.


question: do you think testing is important? Should we have it at all?

Yes, but unless we have it in massive, massive quantities, then what good does a marginal uptake do?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Don’t change anything, the risk is low...... he obviously didn’t know much.

Especially considering that CV was spreading here for months before this interview. Guy had no idea and was providing terrible advice as a trusted expert.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rman112

Yes, but unless we have it in massive, massive quantities, then what good does a marginal uptake do?

Why the rational for having it in massive quantities?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Why the rational for having it in massive quantities?

Just get to the point.