Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows - Page 33

mfw13 · 05-01-2020, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs

You obviously don't know much about European soccer. Every league is incredibly predictable at the top

Bayern won Bundesliga 7 straight years
Liverpool or Man City pick one
Juventus 8 straight years
Bareclona or Real, pick one

They may look predictable, but they're not.

Bayern has won the Bundesliga more than any other club, but they're always challenged and never run away with it.

Liverpool hasn't won the title in 30 years....Man City & Chelsea only started winning when they got bought by rich people with plenty of money to spend. It wasn't that long ago that everyone was complaining how dominant Man United and Arsenal were. And don't forget Leicester City. EPL is very unpredictable.

Juventus is like Bayern, in that they win a lot of Serie A titles. But they're always challenged by a couple of teams from among AC Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio, and Napoli.

And in La Liga, Athletico Madrid always challenges the big two, wins a title once a decade, and has made it to two Champions League finals in the past six years.

PSG, on the other hand, have no competition and win Ligue Un in a runaway most years...

mfw13 · 05-01-2020, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

I wonder what makes you say this? You think his game will get worse?

It's not about him, it's about where the prices are in relationship to his actual achievements.

When a player's cards increase in price by 5-10x during a time when he's not even playing or accomplishing anything new, that raises a LOT of red flags that something fishy is going on.

Nobody0211 · 05-01-2020, 07:03 PM

2014 base Ronaldo sold for $24.99 + $4.99 today. Seems to be going up every day. Exciting times!

KhalDrogo · 05-01-2020, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's not about him, it's about where the prices are in relationship to his actual achievements.

When a player's cards increase in price by 5-10x during a time when he's not even playing or accomplishing anything new, that raises a LOT of red flags that something fishy is going on.

Nothing fishy is going on. Look at the people now posting in these threads.

Ianhatcher · 05-02-2020, 09:26 AM

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/38...p2047675.l2565

bidding history...no red flags here

Funny people are already using this price to up raw prices. Amazing the effect this can have on a hobby when people don't pay attention to what is going on.

kaushikentucky · 05-02-2020, 10:48 AM

I'm very high on 2014 Messi Prizm cards, it will explode. Look at the other sports prizm cards, and yes you are also right that topps chrome cards will be big too.

But with the way grading goes, I bet ppl will want the Prizm as TC has traditionally been a lot tougher to gem.

jjeanius · 05-02-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/38...p2047675.l2565

bidding history...no red flags here

Funny people are already using this price to up raw prices. Amazing the effect this can have on a hobby when people don't pay attention to what is going on.

High bidder is obviously sketchy. And yet, still two 1000+ FB bidders @ $2500+. IDK. Seems ridiculous to me, but that's par for the course these days.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 01:46 PM

Besides 0 feedback bidders, there's a couple specific accounts bidding up Mbappe/Ronaldo/Messi prizms/etc.

They must have infinite amount of money....

So you did not want to pay $20 a few weeks ago but now you want to pay $400 for the same card...

fadster · 05-02-2020, 01:53 PM

Both those big bids have 31% and 47% of their bids with the seller this month, and have 7 and 14 bid retractions respectively in the last 6 months. The 900 looks like the highest genuine bid but I would imagine higher genuine bids would have come in if the large (possible) shills hadn't come in.

mfw13 · 05-02-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Besides 0 feedback bidders, there's a couple specific accounts bidding up Mbappe/Ronaldo/Messi prizms/etc.

They must have infinite amount of money....

Or they have no intent of ever paying.....which is pretty normal for shillers....

cruiserdaddy7 · 05-02-2020, 02:18 PM

You guys can argue the stuff back and forth, but clearly the 17/18 Chrome sealed product is going crazy. Blowout is sold out again at 3800 and I'd guess it will go over 4k next reload.

People with money want it

KhalDrogo · 05-02-2020, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Besides 0 feedback bidders, there's a couple specific accounts bidding up Mbappe/Ronaldo/Messi prizms/etc.

They must have infinite amount of money....

So you did not want to pay $20 a few weeks ago but now you want to pay $400 for the same card...

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The people now hoarding Mbappe and Sancho have been buying constantly since February.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

You guys can argue the stuff back and forth, but clearly the 17/18 Chrome sealed product is going crazy. Blowout is sold out again at 3800 and I'd guess it will go over 4k next reload.

People with money want it

Wax is a different story. All wax sells not matter what.
People buy it to hold it closed these days or addicts rip it.

Ask any LCS...99% of sales are wax and singles just sit.
Everyone wants to rip any hot product.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The people now hoarding Mbappe and Sancho have been buying constantly since February.

You don't get it. You buy up cards cheap then later create a price with schilling/fake sales to build up a market.

Especially in a market where sports are not going on so there's no real hype.

jjeanius · 05-02-2020, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

You don't get it. You buy #@#@#@#@ up cheap then later create a price with schilling/fake sales to build up a market.

Especially in a market where sports are not going on so there's no real hype.

It's all a conspiracy!

Why are you here exactly...? Is social distancing keeping you apart from the people you would normally bitch and moan at in person...?

KhalDrogo · 05-02-2020, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

You don't get it. You buy #@#@#@#@ up cheap then later create a price with schilling/fake sales to build up a market.

Especially in a market where sports are not going on so there's no real hype.

There are two big names buying up Mbappe. Neither are fakes. Neither are shilling. I know this for a fact. Yes, that Probstein Silver is not real. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Pretty much all the rest? Real.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 03:16 PM

On COMC since you can't really create a fake sale and actual money has to be involved the story is a little different.

Someone will have a # 2014 WC Messi for an ok but semi high price.
Won't sell.

They see items getting hot...they raise the price with expectations of market
Still won't sell...

Sales on ebay get hotter...raise the price again...
Still won't sell..

Keep trying...you won't sell it for what you think the market is going for.

KhalDrogo · 05-02-2020, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

On COMC since you can't really create a fake sale and actual money has to be involved the story is a little different.

Someone will have a # 2014 WC Messi for an ok but semi high price.
Won't sell.

They see items getting hot...they raise the price with expectations of market
Still won't sell...

Sales on ebay get hotter...raise the price again...
Still won't sell..

Keep trying...you won't sell it for what you think the market is going for.

COMC sucks. I will never use their service. Pay for a card today and wait four months to get it. No thanks.

estebahn73 · 05-02-2020, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Besides 0 feedback bidders, there's a couple specific accounts bidding up Mbappe/Ronaldo/Messi prizms/etc.

They must have infinite amount of money....

So you did not want to pay $20 a few weeks ago but now you want to pay $400 for the same card...

That's how card market moves at time. It adjusts rather very quickly. Look, Zion silver prizm which is probably double if not triple the print run of Mbappe is selling for close to $1K raw and $3K in PSA 10 form. So Mbappe who happens to be voted as the best player under 21 by ESPN in the most popular sport in the world to sell at 50% of Zion price doesn't seem that far fetched.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 03:26 PM

There's very few people on FB groups begging for Mbappe/Sancho cards...
More like everyone trying to sell them and Messi/Ronaldo.

The only people buying anything are noobs.

ThoseBackPages · 05-02-2020, 03:28 PM

the P-O-M-O is rich up in here

ThoseBackPages · 05-02-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

There's very few people on FB groups begging for Mbappe/Sancho cards...
More like everyone trying to sell them and Messi/Ronaldo.

The only people buying anything are noobs.

your collection must be top notch.

you know all the answers and never buy any crap.

Kudos!

KhalDrogo · 05-02-2020, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k13

There's very few people on FB groups begging for Mbappe/Sancho cards...
More like everyone trying to sell them and Messi/Ronaldo.

The only people buying anything are noobs.

People spending five figures a week on cards don’t beg for cards.

thekiddfan · 05-02-2020, 03:32 PM

Which FB are you using? Beta version?

Ur hatred for Mbappe is stuff of legends..

Quote:

Originally Posted by k13

There's very few people on FB groups begging for Mbappe/Sancho cards...
More like everyone trying to sell them and Messi/Ronaldo.

The only people buying anything are noobs.

k13 · 05-02-2020, 03:35 PM

Oh look, the Ronaldo euro silver prizm that just "sold" is already re-listed by the same seller a day later.

The "winner" looks very familiar...

05-01-2020, 07:03 PM	#803
Nobody0211 Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 2,407	2014 base Ronaldo sold for $24.99 + $4.99 today. Seems to be going up every day. Exciting times! __________________ Instagram: ssarris11 Lukamodriccollector10

05-02-2020, 10:48 AM	#806
kaushikentucky Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,326 mohan-enterprises1	I'm very high on 2014 Messi Prizm cards, it will explode. Look at the other sports prizm cards, and yes you are also right that topps chrome cards will be big too. But with the way grading goes, I bet ppl will want the Prizm as TC has traditionally been a lot tougher to gem. __________________ IG: the_iron_shik

05-02-2020, 02:18 PM	#811
cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,612 Cruiserdaddy7	You guys can argue the stuff back and forth, but clearly the 17/18 Chrome sealed product is going crazy. Blowout is sold out again at 3800 and I'd guess it will go over 4k next reload. People with money want it __________________ Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.

05-02-2020, 03:28 PM	#821
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,968 ThoseBackPages	the P-O-M-O is rich up in here __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-02-2020, 09:26 AM	#805
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,989 ian5555	https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/38...p2047675.l2565 bidding history...no red flags here Funny people are already using this price to up raw prices. Amazing the effect this can have on a hobby when people don't pay attention to what is going on.

05-02-2020, 01:46 PM	#808
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Besides 0 feedback bidders, there's a couple specific accounts bidding up Mbappe/Ronaldo/Messi prizms/etc. They must have infinite amount of money.... So you did not want to pay $20 a few weeks ago but now you want to pay $400 for the same card...

05-02-2020, 01:53 PM	#809
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	Both those big bids have 31% and 47% of their bids with the seller this month, and have 7 and 14 bid retractions respectively in the last 6 months. The 900 looks like the highest genuine bid but I would imagine higher genuine bids would have come in if the large (possible) shills hadn't come in.

05-02-2020, 03:16 PM	#817
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	On COMC since you can't really create a fake sale and actual money has to be involved the story is a little different. Someone will have a # 2014 WC Messi for an ok but semi high price. Won't sell. They see items getting hot...they raise the price with expectations of market Still won't sell... Sales on ebay get hotter...raise the price again... Still won't sell.. Keep trying...you won't sell it for what you think the market is going for.

05-02-2020, 03:26 PM	#820
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	There's very few people on FB groups begging for Mbappe/Sancho cards... More like everyone trying to sell them and Messi/Ronaldo. The only people buying anything are noobs.

05-02-2020, 03:35 PM	#825
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Oh look, the Ronaldo euro silver prizm that just "sold" is already re-listed by the same seller a day later. The "winner" looks very familiar...