Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[ken161]

One of the most disconcerting things about most of these card doctors that have been outed is that few seem to have any sort of background that would lend itself to being a successful card doctor.

It's almost like anyone, in this bizarre scenario a former all-pro NFL guard, can buy an $18.99 paper cutter and apparently become a successful card doctor. It's really crazy when you think about it. What does this say about grading in general and PSA in particular?

[corndog]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

And the rumor mongering about his cards in the future will hurt his bottom line. You can see how much play (even on the PSA/CU message board) that linking his purchase of the 1968 Nolan Ryan RC and its $699K pricetag in the PWCC vault is getting.

PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING TRIMMING JOKES ON THE PSA BOARD ABOUT THIS CROWN JEWEL CARD!!! ;-) Look now before it goes poof. (Well, I did just archive it for posterity.)

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-by-pwcc-vault

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by corndog

Yep.

[ClipsandVols]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

And the rumor mongering about his cards in the future will hurt his bottom line. You can see how much play (even on the PSA/CU message board) that linking his purchase of the 1968 Nolan Ryan RC and its $699K pricetag in the PWCC vault is getting.

PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING TRIMMING JOKES ON THE PSA BOARD ABOUT THIS CROWN JEWEL CARD!!! ;-) Look now before it goes poof. (Well, I did just archive it for posterity.)

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-by-pwcc-vault

It went poof

[mjohnatgt]

No shock, right? How about the Evan Mathis, Amazing PSA Collector articles? How long before PSA disassociates with him?

[pspa123]

It may have nothing to do with these happenings, but CLCT stock has been steadily declining off its high of over 30 to under 23.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

My default setting is positive. This is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. We should be learning things and sharing our knowledge. We should be helping other collectors in their pursuits and celebrating with them in their accomplishments. Some people have become jaded and see the negative in everything now. I don't want that to happen to me because if it did I would probably just walk away from the hobby.



So, yeah, I took my experiences with Evan and gave him the benefit of the doubt. If that makes me dumb or a lark I'll wear that. I choose that over the alternative, which is initially thinking the worst in people and losing the joy in this hobby.



I also have no problem admitting when I'm wrong and saying so, which is what happened in this instance. I'm not really sure how I could have done things differently that would have appeased you more, 312, outside of just blindly being a minion.



Also, for everyone in here that's taking time to carefully word responses and find little nuggets of facts to "catch" Evan in a trap or something, save yourself the time. He is breaking out some All-Pro trolling on you guys and you're all falling for it. He does not care what any of you think or what any of you post in this thread. Like, "when was the last time I farted?" level of not care. He is absolutely laughing so hard little bits of pee are coming out. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence or psychosis (really?), he just knows that any kind of rational discussion he attempts to engage in only results in one outcome, whether he is successful or not, so there's no point in seriously engaging. Every other party involved in this that attempted to engage got roasted.



So walk away from your keyboards. Go for a walk with your dog. Cool down. Because the more mad you get, the harder he's laughing.



Arthur

Ohhh I see being a giant dbag means he got US!! It is brilliant! And thank YOU again for pointing it out in grand pompous fashion!!! We are better for it.

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[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by pspa123

It may have nothing to do with these happenings, but CLCT stock has been steadily declining off its high of over 30 to under 23.

I still think the biggest worry PSA should have is failure to disclose material facts about their business to their shareholders.

1) Grade Guarantee Reserve last year is $800K or so.
2) Trimming/altering scandal blows up in the past year. PSA quashes all discussion on their message board that would make them look bad, and NEVER EMAILS THEIR CUSTOMERS WITH A STATEMENT ACKNOWLEDGING ANY FAULT (INABILITY TO DETECT ALTERATIONS/PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT/FBI INVESTIGATION), leaving it up to sellers and board members to let their scammed customers know about it.
3) Joe Orlando (who still signs off articles stating "Never Get Cheated!", btw) says in response to a question during the quarterly stockholders telecon that the grading scandal has no material effect on their business or outlook. This means his corporate belief is still that this is a small undertaking, and cannot affect their bottom line. Why not? Of course the lemmings are are still purchasing their cards and using their grading service, because, well "PROFITS!!!".
4) PSA REDUCES THEIR RESERVE the next quarter. To increase it would admit additional liability. So why not reduce it? Nothing to see here... signed off by their corporate auditor.

Does this seem like a company that is forthright to their stockholders? Would the SEC be interested in looking into it?

[HarryLime]

Okay, apparently I did bad job of make words again. Let me see if I can better articulate my point.

All I was trying to say was: don't waste your time on him. I know in the past the outings that have occurred here have caused great anguish and concern to the outed parties, and rightfully so. They were scared. They were scared about legal trouble but, more importantly, they were scared about their business -- the way they put food on their table -- going under because they got caught committing fraud. The louder the voices here were, the further the word spread. Collectors became educated.

Evan doesn't need you to buy from him. He just straight doesn't give a f*ck. He doesn't care if this thread is #1 on the main page for weeks. In some twisted way, he'd enjoy that.

So all I was trying to say was: don't let him or this thread affect you in real life. Don't get angry or upset over it. Don't let it change the way you view the hobby or anything. I'm not condoning anything he's done/did/doing/will do, I'm just saying stay positive, don't let this drama creep into your real life. And don't waste too much of your hobby energy trying to get anything out of Evan in this thread. You're just going to get trolled.

Arthur

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Okay, apparently I did bad job of make words again. Let me see if I can better articulate my point.

All I was trying to say was: don't waste your time on him. I know in the past the outings that have occurred here have caused great anguish and concern to the outed parties, and rightfully so. They were scared. They were scared about legal trouble but, more importantly, they were scared about their business -- the way they put food on their table -- going under because they got caught committing fraud. The louder the voices here were, the further the word spread. Collectors became educated.

Evan doesn't need you to buy from him. He just straight doesn't give a f*ck. He doesn't care if this thread is #1 on the main page for weeks. In some twisted way, he'd enjoy that.

So all I was trying to say was: don't let him or this thread affect you in real life. Don't get angry or upset over it. Don't let it change the way you view the hobby or anything. I'm not condoning anything he's done/did/doing/will do, I'm just saying stay positive, don't let this drama creep into your real life. And don't waste too much of your hobby energy trying to get anything out of Evan in this thread. You're just going to get trolled.

Arthur

Arthur, we know he's trolling. He's not very good at it though. I think you're wrong about him not caring that he's been exposed though, very wrong. People seem to think that just because he has money or that he's an ex-NFL player that he doesn't care about this. He has invested so much time and energy to this hobby, he clearly cares a lot about it.

You are right about the bolded part though.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Okay, apparently I did bad job of make words again. Let me see if I can better articulate my point.

All I was trying to say was: don't waste your time on him. I know in the past the outings that have occurred here have caused great anguish and concern to the outed parties, and rightfully so. They were scared. They were scared about legal trouble but, more importantly, they were scared about their business -- the way they put food on their table -- going under because they got caught committing fraud. The louder the voices here were, the further the word spread. Collectors became educated.

Evan doesn't need you to buy from him. He just straight doesn't give a f*ck. He doesn't care if this thread is #1 on the main page for weeks. In some twisted way, he'd enjoy that.

So all I was trying to say was: don't let him or this thread affect you in real life. Don't get angry or upset over it. Don't let it change the way you view the hobby or anything. I'm not condoning anything he's done/did/doing/will do, I'm just saying stay positive, don't let this drama creep into your real life. And don't waste too much of your hobby energy trying to get anything out of Evan in this thread. You're just going to get trolled.

Arthur

Likewise, you posted a book in response to what I intended to be a very lighthearted comment (hence the ).

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ken161

One of the most disconcerting things about most of these card doctors that have been outed is that few seem to have any sort of background that would lend itself to being a successful card doctor.



It's almost like anyone, in this bizarre scenario a former all-pro NFL guard, can buy an $18.99 paper cutter and apparently become a successful card doctor. It's really crazy when you think about it. What does this say about grading in general and PSA in particular?

Yep, it says anyone that uses tool that costs way less than a single PSA submission can be used to trick PSA.

[pspa123]

I am skeptical these microcuts we're seeing could be done with an 18.99 paper cutter.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I am skeptical these microcuts we're seeing could be done with an 18.99 paper cutter.

They weren't.

Arthur

[tier1dc]

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...053892611?s=19

Darren rovell just tweeted this thread out

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...053892611?s=19

Darren rovell just tweeted this thread out

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by ClipsandVols

It went poof

In case anyone missed it... that was me trolling PSA.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191221...-by-pwcc-vault

[palmetto7]

So, according to Arthur, Evan doesn't care if he looks like a crook amongst his buddies/peers in the NFL and other Richie rich circles? That would be odd in my book. I mean, someone in his circles(his wife,kid,parents,friends) must have been raised with proper morals?

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[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

In case anyone missed it... that was me trolling PSA.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191221...-by-pwcc-vault

Damn... cold blooded murdered that thread.

OJ would be proud.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I am skeptical these microcuts we're seeing could be done with an 18.99 paper cutter.

I'm sure the one Evan purchased on ebay was one among many. The guard on it was missing so perhaps it better accommodated certain sheet sizes. He probably used/uses it for cutting up some of the less expensive sheets of cards.

[pip]

Here is it. Only his was missing the red guard on top.

[unclemonkey]

Damn... I shoulda kept those 500K+ wax era crap.

Coulda got rich trimming half cent cards into $20 PSA 10's

[pip]

Originally Posted by palmetto7

So, according to Arthur, Evan doesn't care if he looks like a crook amongst his buddies/peers in the NFL and other Richie rich circles? That would be odd in my book. I mean, someone in his circles(his wife,kid,parents,friends) must have been raised with proper morals?

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Yes. The stigma of bring a prolific, card-trimming, petty thief is going to be with Evan Mathis forever. If the MSM picks up the story, it will gravely affect his reputation. He'll be the laughingstock of NFL alumni and when he goes to all his poker tournaments, competitors will laugh at him too.

He better hope he doesn't end up on tv in one of those exposé programs.

Trust me. He cares.

[HarryLime]

At the risk of divulging too much information away, the reason why PSA and SGC used to catch so many mor etrimmers is because they used guillotine style paper cutters.

The act of having a blade swing downward and cut across the edge in a sweeping fashion is a layup to detect. They don't produce factory grooves on the edges and they're very prone for chipping on both the top and the bottom as the blade pulls on the card as it's cutting it.

You CANNOT do the micro trims we're seeing these days with these types of paper cutters. AGAIN, I should probably just put this in my signature or something, I'm not here defending Evan and saying he's done no wrong. I've gotten my information and it was a hell of a lot better than what's in this thread.

But NOBODY is trimming card today with a guillotine paper cutter and getting away with it. That's all I'm saying.

Arthur

[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by pip

Yes. The stigma of bring a prolific, card-trimming, petty thief is going to be with Evan Mathis forever. If the MSM picks up the story, it will gravely affect his reputation. He'll be the laughingstock of NFL alumni and when he goes to all his poker tournaments, competitors will laugh at him too.

He better hope he doesn't end up on tv in one of those exposé programs.

Trust me. He cares.

I wonder if he is friends with Michael Souza (9999rbush) pokers angle shooting scumbag and also alledged card trimmer.