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3124508 on COMC 12-19-2019 07:53 PM

Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC
 
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[B]Names:[/B] Evan Mathis, Adam Mathis (brother)

[B]Associates: [/B]Chad Thyzel (ebay ID: legendsandlegacies, formerly superiorsports), Jason Koonce, Rick Mcgehee (fictitious alias?), Rick Probstein (Probstein123), Brent Huigens (PWCC), COMC, Sean Bassik (investinbaseball)

[B]Known eBay Accounts:[/B]
[B]cardology[/B] (o***o on all platforms)
[B]cardquest12 [/B](u***r on eBay old, t***a on eBay new)
[B]acme.cards[/B] (s***s on eBay old, a***m on eBay new and VCP)
[B]quest4cards12[/B] (c***q on eBay old, 2***a on eBay new)
[B]Unknown ID[/B] Coded as t***q (purple star)
[B]no.bids.all.bins[/B]

[B]Known COMC accounts:[/B]
[B]StorageUnitFinds[/B]
[B]DiamondGems[/B]

Sells via [B]PWCC[/B], [B]Probstein[/B], [B]COMC[/B], and eBay account [B]cardology[/B]. Has formerly sold cards via [B]investinbaseball[/B], eBay account [B]acme.cards[/B], and likely eBay account [B]otiasports[/B] previously known as [B]worldwideinvestments[/B] (Jason Koonce). At the very least, he currently has BIN listings for sale with Probstein and he has been consigning cards to PWCC though at least August, months after Brent outed him as a card trimmer to other(s).

[B]Past shipping information:[/B]
2018 sale to acme.cards (this is Mathis's home address per Williamson County property records):
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]
Buyer: Rick Mcgehee
Address: Windy Wood
XXXX Manley Ln
Brentwood, TN 37027-5532

2016 sale to acme.cards:
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]
Chad Thyzel
Address: PO Box XXXXXX
Temecula, CA 92589-1780

[B]Email addresses:[/B]
[email]ergoism@gmail.com[/email]
[email]evan@cardology.com[/email]
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]

In addition to trimming a wide array of vintage cards, he also trims a ton of 90's Michael Jordan inserts (as confirmed independently and by an friend/associate of Brent Huigens), Ken Griffey Jr. rookies and inserts (a tip about a tiny PSA 10 UD Griffey Rookie was what spurred this investigation), Trout Update rookies by the dozen, Brady rookies (primarily Bowman, Press Pass, and Skybox), Bonds rookies (especially Traded and Traded Tiffany), Jeter rookies, and a slew of lower end inserts.

It appears that he began his new job as a card trimmer immediately upon retiring from the NFL in late January of 2017.

Here's the feedback he (or his brother) left from the quest4cards12 around this same time for an 18" paper trimmer:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/txr91lW.png?1[/IMG]
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191220002941/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=11xopt40&iid=-1&de=off&interval=0&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]


He also has a website where he spams eBay listings from PWCC, Greg Morris, Probstein, and 4SC:
[url]https://www.cardbuff.com/[/url] ([URL="evanmathis.com"]evanmathis.com[/URL] redirects there as well)
Archive: [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219202310/https://www.cardbuff.com/[/url]

[B]Additional reading: [/B]
Evan Mathis playing poker with "good friend" Jason Koonce: [url]https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/01/retired-nfl-offensive-lineman-evan-mathis-pca-33100.htm[/url]
"Sell your collection to Super Bowl 50 Champion Evan Mathis at the 2018 NSCC" from Sean Bassik of investinbaseball: [url]http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=257961[/url]
His site, cardbuff.com, sending unsolicited spam email to members of Net54 and CU forums: [url]http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=251048[/url] [url]https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/994338/cardbuff-com[/url]
PSA Collector Profile of Evan Mathis: [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219202821/https://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/8378/collector-profile-evan-mathis-curator-miniature-museum[/url]

Now, on to the cards....


All of the following were purchased untrimmed by cardology and later sold by PWCC. Other cards in the PSA subs were sold by Probstein and/or acme.cards:



[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219212021/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=mag-neat-o&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=52&page=23[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1971-topps-thurman-munson-all-star-1866624382[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1559111[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ZjOXJTI.jpg[/IMG]



[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219205536/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=shett&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&ftabfocus=true&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1949-bowman-60-yogi-berra-nm-psa-1860113305[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1485889[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hqdl4pK.png[/IMG]



This is a fun one because Mathis (cardology) purchased it as a PSA 8, trimmed the top edge, and sold it as a PSA 9. Gary Moser than purchased it as a PSA 9, trimmed/shaved the bottom edge, and then sold it as a PSA 10. Corndog already called out the 9 to 10 (Link: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=14772502&postcount=3080[/url]), so I'll just focus on the 8 to 9 trimming below.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219233626/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=rockmonstercards&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=14&page=5[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1965-topps-al-rbi-leaders-mantle-1866961344[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1574718[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/2TEgVsx.png[/IMG]



[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219205416/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=popparox&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1965-topps-steve-carlton-477-psa-5-nm-1866964378[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1603450[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FYvn7q4.png[/IMG]



[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191220001819/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=debbyfla6ug9&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=6&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1986-fleer-michael-jordan-rookie-psa-1860113345[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1503241[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/O0v3pAW.png[/IMG]



This was purchased raw by cardquest12, trimmed, and sold by Probstein for a whole $26:
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219215021/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=daddycooldave4&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=3&page=1[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2017-18-panini-court-kings-josh-hart-1956082715[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2017-panini-court-kings-fresh-paint-2017915683[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/yIjACpY.png[/IMG]



I cant tell if this was was altered more to go from a PSA Auth Altered to a PSA 4, but I'm posting it anyway since Mathis purchased it as altered, submitted it to PSA, and sold it as a PSA 4.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219234136/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=8333rick&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1933-goudey-babe-ruth-149-psa-1961341277[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/DhNsCce.png[/IMG]



However, this Authentic Altered card has been trimmed by Mathis to get it into a PSA 6 slab.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219234136/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=8333rick&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1969-topps-reggie-jackson-rookie-card-1960353910[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959852[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uYBMLI0.png[/IMG]



The following card was purchased raw by acme.cards, trimmed, and sold by PWCC as a PSA 10:
[url]https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=duffem79&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/michael-jordan-1995-96-xl-natural-1956200276[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1931065[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rd7Cwgw.png[/IMG]



The following card was purchased by unknown ID coded as t***q (purple star) before it was trimmed. This ID appears frequently in Mathis subs.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219232107/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=noochie29&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&interval=0&searchInterval=30&mPg=15&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wayne-gretzky-edmonton-oilers-upper-1957032048[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1967458[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/APUQaZR.png[/IMG]



The rest of these cards are attributed to Evan Mathis via the PSA submission they're in:



[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2014-topps-stadium-club-mookie-betts-1960595825[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1961863[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zYTpFZa.png[/IMG]



He is also responsible for this trimmed card that has already been called out: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1312334[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/M1R4YDD.jpg[/IMG]



In addition to this previously called out card and the majority of the other high-grade PSA Jordan inserts sold by Probstein and PWCC since 2017:
[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=15329535&postcount=55[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/OI4fBHL.jpg[/IMG]




As usual, this is nothing. Untraceable cards outnumber traceable cards probably by about 50:1 and it looks like he was breaking vintage sets to trim as well.



Edit 1:

Here's an AI Platinum that was first sold twice by PWCC as a BGS 8, bumped to a BGS 9 without alteration and sold by PWCC again, purchased by Mathis, trimmed, graded a PSA 10, and sold by PWCC for a fourth time. Go grading!

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1491181[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1519051[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1695326[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1963272[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/lltduAr.jpg[/IMG]

Edit 2:

This PSA 10 Carlton Fisk is really the definition a franken-card. If you really study the photos, you can see that the card was pressed to increase stock area and then haphazardly trimmed back to create lots of partial edge and corner shaves to sharpen the corners. As a result the card doesn't really have any straight edges left, yet still receives a PSA 10. The last two photos are the best as they show the cards overlaid with a red outline that has a constant position. This outline shows how the left and top edges have been trimmed while the bottom right corner area has been pressed out to sharpen the corner.

[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1972-topps-psa-carlton-fisk-rookie-1821037162[/url]
[url]https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=34312[/url]


[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hWTxt5b.jpg[/IMG]

Edit 3:

Trimmed card with no grade increase and a $42.51 value gain. Note the "Before" photos below are from an earlier PWCC sale. acme.cards purchased the untrimmed card from warrent1954 as shown.

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191223003004/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=warrent1954&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=8&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1587475[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/roberto-bob-clemente-1957-topps-76-1919626230[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1957973[/url]


[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/cFww64G.png[/IMG]

Edit 4:

A very small Bench. One trimmed edge noted. Can't tell if the other edges have been cleaned up as well due to the photos.

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191223022603/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=hqqkem123&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=10&page=4[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1969-topps-95-johnny-bench-psa-ex-mt-1900530213[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959831[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/9DzfMud.jpg[/IMG]

Edit 5:

Only at PSA can you remove a card's corner to increase a its grade. And only at PWCC will this yield an eye appeal sticker. :doh:

The entire top edge might be trimmed, but it's too close to the bumper in the PSA 8 photo to make the call.

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672261[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/2FGyzXc.jpg[/IMG]

KhalDrogo 12-19-2019 07:56 PM

Uh oh.

notfast 12-19-2019 07:57 PM

This should be fun.

notfast 12-19-2019 07:58 PM

Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?!

KingInTheNorth 12-19-2019 07:59 PM

This is absolutely crazy

gmoney328 12-19-2019 08:08 PM

As if this dude doesn't have enough money. Seriously, WTF has happened to this hobby? I know trimming has always been around, but this just absolutely disgusts me.

cardology 12-19-2019 08:13 PM

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc[/URL]

brb, going to a birthday party

[url]https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61df615cf47bfad16ce5c62c186220/tenor.gif[/url]

corndog 12-19-2019 08:13 PM

Absolutely fantastic job of piecing it all together!

Once again, PWCC is smack in the middle of it.

The list of hobby scum just keeps growing... :mad:

BBases31 12-19-2019 08:18 PM

THIS is what is needed to spur the feds. Nail someone high profile

3124508 on COMC 12-19-2019 08:18 PM

[QUOTE=cardology;15364429][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc[/URL]

brb, going to a birthday party

[url]https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61df615cf47bfad16ce5c62c186220/tenor.gif[/url][/QUOTE]

#@#@#@#@ off.

purejd86p 12-19-2019 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=gmoney328;15364419][B]As if this dude doesn't have enough money. [/B]Seriously, WTF has happened to this hobby? I know trimming has always been around, but this just absolutely disgusts me.[/QUOTE]

This guy made bank in the NFL! Maybe he gets a rush of doing this? Why else would he do this? Unless he pissed his money away & needs it.

BBases31 12-19-2019 08:23 PM

[QUOTE=purejd86p;15364454]This guy made bank in the NFL! Maybe he gets a rush of doing this? Why else would he do this? Unless he pissed his money away & needs it.[/QUOTE]



Seems like you could easily make 7 figures a year trimming and without much of a labor committment. I don’t see why that precludes someone just because they might have a few mil in the bank. It’s not like he’s doing this to bank 50k/year

BlitzRick 12-19-2019 08:29 PM

Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.

cardology 12-19-2019 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364450]#@#@#@#@ off.[/QUOTE]

Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.

base set 12-19-2019 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=notfast;15364388]Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?![/QUOTE]

Yeah I googled that too. I have always thought they would at least need an expensive piece of equipment.

A random question on trimming - shouldn’t the difference in trimmed / un-trimmed edges be discernible, before the card is in a slab?

I bet a Munson 10 is like the Holy Grail to these guys.

“Trout Update Rookies by the dozen.”

DammitJim, I want a new grading company!

cardology 12-19-2019 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364450]#@#@#@#@ off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364487]Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.[/QUOTE]

I was like 12 when that card was graded.

Trueblue 12-19-2019 08:35 PM

This em effer makes $21.1m in the NFL with a fat ass pension and then becomes a scammer trimming cards.. wtf is wrong with people.

3124508 on COMC 12-19-2019 08:36 PM

[QUOTE=cardology;15364488]Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Better call Jeff.

sammyjankis 12-19-2019 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=cardology;15364488]Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Caught committing fraud and you’re trolling? Hopefully you called your lawyer first.

theleica 12-19-2019 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364487]Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.[/QUOTE]

He was also the owner of the Tom Brady that sold for $400,000 earlier this year through PWCC.

SaltyCracker 12-19-2019 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364506]Better call Jeff.[/QUOTE]

Who’s Jeff? :popcorn: :popcorn:

chezball 12-19-2019 08:52 PM

[QUOTE=SaltyCracker;15364520]Who’s Jeff? :popcorn: :popcorn:[/QUOTE]

I think, PWCC's lawyer.

rcmb3220 12-19-2019 08:54 PM

It was only a matter of time....

BLongley 12-19-2019 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=cardology;15364498]I was like 12 when that card was graded.[/QUOTE]

And how old are you now?

steadned36 12-19-2019 09:02 PM

Great info as always

Josh Hart?


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