Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[AnthonyCorona]

Who has the industrial sized popcorn popper?


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[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

And on Net54. Not sure if he's still active but he was years ago.

He posted buy ads recently.

[BlitzRick]

This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.

This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.

This is a huge, huge mess people.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by pspa123

He posted buy ads recently.

I was going to ask if the cards were headed to Cali or Tennessee.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by BlitzRick

This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.



This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.



This is a huge, huge mess people.

Fraud, not scandal. Outright fraud.

People get jail time for fraud. Not as much for scandal.

[pip]

Originally Posted by anusinha

I think that collection has already been outed as trimmed

Well, to the extent that a lot of it was curated by Dave Bailey, yes. I think the PSA insider letter bent in that direction. I'm sure there are other sources too.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by notfast

Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?!

That’s hilarious.

[vintg]

the '69 Jackson is "odd".

takes an "altered", chops it, comes back a 6 WITH a gaping space
inside of the psa holder.

especially painful to a "6" vintage collector.

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by notfast

Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?!

Trimming a piece of paper isn't rocket science.

Turning a single PSA 9 into a PSA 10 can get you a more than capable setup.


There's a reason that I assume that every graded card is trimmed. Literally anyone can do it and the profit potential is off the charts.

[pip]

Originally Posted by BlitzRick

This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.

This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.

This is a huge, huge mess people.

I agree about the breadth of the coming media coverage. Tabloids (let's include most of the MSM in this category) love salacious celebrity/athlete stories. It sells.

I wonder if Lichtman will begin to suffer from client fatigue soon.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I was going to ask if the cards were headed to Cali or Tennessee.

Often times right to NJ for Probstein.... I had sold some lots of vintage to Sean a couple years ago and that’s where he had me send them.

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by vintg

the '69 Jackson is "odd".

takes an "altered", chops it, comes back a 6 WITH a gaping space
inside of the psa holder.

especially painful to a "6" vintage collector.

I’m not sure why so many on the boards have focused/believed that trimming was occurring primarily at the higher grade end of the spectrum and that they were safe because they were mid-grade collectors. I think this puts that to bed. Scammers are really just focusing on the value bump from a lower grade to a higher.

In fact, I think trimming may be more prevalent in the mid-grade world. Seems much less likely to get caught. If you’re submitting cards that are at the higher end of the spectrum, you’d be much more concerned about getting more scrutiny from the TPGs. PSA 6s won’t be scrutinized.

[pip]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

Trimming a piece of paper isn't rocket science.

The difference between the value of a single PSA 9 and a PSA 10 will get you trimming cards like a pro.

There's a reason that I assume that every graded card is trimmed. Literally anyone can do it and the potential profits are crazy.

A caveat should be added here. PSA gets weak-kneed and blurry-eyed every time a celebrity or athlete gets involved, either directly or indirectly, with their service. Evan probably could have used pinking shears and got the same grades.

[Donkaylove]

Originally Posted by pip

A caveat should be added here. PSA gets weak-kneed and blurry-eyed every time a celebrity or athlete gets involved, either directly or indirectly, with their service. Evan probably could have used pinking shears and got the same grades.

hahha-word

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by anusinha

I think that collection has already been outed as trimmed

Makes sense. Dmitri must have felt extra Madoff putting those custom labels on there too.

[Vladdy Jr]

Originally Posted by cardology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc

brb, going to a birthday party

https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61d...6220/tenor.gif

Be sure to use extra grease in your hair when explaining all of this to the FBI. Don’t forget to save some for prison too... it’ll ease the pain.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

I’m not sure why so many on the boards have focused/believed that trimming was occurring primarily at the higher grade end of the spectrum and that they were safe because they were mid-grade collectors. I think this puts that to bed. Scammers are really just focusing on the value bump from a lower grade to a higher.

In fact, I think trimming may be more prevalent in the mid-grade world. Seems much less likely to get caught. If you’re submitting cards that are at the higher end of the spectrum, you’d be much more concerned about getting more scrutiny from the TPGs. PSA 6s won’t be scrutinized.

we've got to agree to disagree.

the big money to be made seems to be 7 to 8's, 8's to 9's, 9's to 10's. (outside of pre-war)

especially if you're a "preferred" customer. lol.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

A caveat should be added here. PSA gets weak-kneed and blurry-eyed every time a celebrity or athlete gets involved, either directly or indirectly, with their service. Evan probably could have used pinking shears and got the same grades.

That's how you build the brand.

[pip]

Originally Posted by vintg

we've got to agree to disagree.

the big money to be made seems to be 7 to 8's, 8's to 9's, 9's to 10's. (outside of pre-war)

especially if you're a "preferred" customer. lol.

I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.

[Wrathofmarcos]

Originally Posted by pip

I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.

I second this. Although I also think it’s easier to bump a grade (or 3) when dealing with cards in the 6-8 range. IMO, it’s going to take a lot more noticeable work going from a 3 or 4 to a 6 or higher. I also don’t know jack except what I’ve read here.
But again, it’s hard to imagine anyone involved in this actually demonstrating some restraint.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by smackvay

isn't sean bassik a member here buying vintage?

I wonder if he'd pull my testimonial down now? I helped a local guy sell a collection of mostly complete 1954-1960s sets to him a few years ago on Net54. He did make the process easy, but I wasn't doing anything to help scam people. He made an offer and the guy with the collection took it.

Too bad it looks like he's turned heel. Has he responded to any of these threads?

[Rooftop]

Honestly had to google this guy. Never heard of him. Looks like he dropped the soap one too many times.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by pip

I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.

1st, we are on the same side of this issue.

that being said, let's take the '69 Jackson in a 4.

ave. price, $100, bumped 2 grades to a 6, it's $200.

* that's assuming the flaws in a 4, can even be "successfully" doctored.

ave. price of a 6, $200, bumped 2 grades to an 8, it's $1,500.

let alone, price of an 8, $ 1,500, bumped to a 9, it's $ 17,000.

not trying to be argumentative in any way, just trying to explain what I see.

[xbignick]

Posted it on Reddit and Evan Mathis jumped on to respond within minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...yga/?context=3

[vintg]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Posted it on Reddit and Evan Mathis jumped on to respond within minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...yga/?context=3

well that explains where he went.

and here I thought he went to a birthday party.....