2019 NBA Lottery - Page 16

smalltown · 05-15-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

They also have multiple 1st round picks going forward including the unprotected Dallas pick.

Ya. Any deal with the Knicks has to include at least one future 1st.

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 08:01 AM

Ringer had the same thoughts as me this morning

"But it’s possible that, as frustrating as Tuesday’s result is for Knicks fans, New York could present a compelling enough package—involving some combination of the no. 3 pick, recent lottery picks Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., and Frank Ntilikina, the 2021 and 2023 first-round picks they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, and (though the Knicks would probably resist this) second-round shot-blocking monster Mitchell Robinson—to make the Pelicans think hard about whether they’d get more elsewhere. Maybe that’s enough to land Davis, who could join a maximum-salaried free agent or two in a completely revamped Knicks lineup with a chance to be special"

smalltown · 05-15-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by theleica

And why take on Robinson when you have Okafor.

Depth and Okafor is only under contract for this coming season. Gives you much more flexibility.

theleica · 05-15-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Ringer had the same thoughts as me this morning

"But it’s possible that, as frustrating as Tuesday’s result is for Knicks fans, New York could present a compelling enough package—involving some combination of the no. 3 pick, recent lottery picks Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., and Frank Ntilikina, the 2021 and 2023 first-round picks they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, and (though the Knicks would probably resist this) second-round shot-blocking monster Mitchell Robinson—to make the Pelicans think hard about whether they’d get more elsewhere. Maybe that’s enough to land Davis, who could join a maximum-salaried free agent or two in a completely revamped Knicks lineup with a chance to be special"

Great minds think alike. We will see. I know it is said every year and has become a bit of a cliche but this offseason will be unlike any before it.

benz35 · 05-15-2019, 08:05 AM

this is good for group breaks!!! lol

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Depth and Okafor is only under contract for this coming season. Gives you much more flexibility.

Okafor averaged .7 blocks per game
Robinson averaged 2.4 blocks per game

Robinson is a far more significant player going forward to a New Orleans team than Okafor is at this point

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 08:10 AM

Lakers should use that #4 overall pick to go target Bradley Beal

That's the move to make if you have a smaller window with LeBron

smalltown · 05-15-2019, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Lakers should use that #4 overall pick to go target Bradley Beal

That's the move to make if you have a smaller window with LeBron

I think that's going to end up the play. NO probably still doesn't want to give in to AD and the Lakers.

TomTomerson · 05-15-2019, 08:17 AM

I just wanted to come here, add nothing to the discussion and rag on the >Knicks

yiguiri2002 · 05-15-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Ringer had the same thoughts as me this morning

"But it’s possible that, as frustrating as Tuesday’s result is for Knicks fans, New York could present a compelling enough package—involving some combination of the no. 3 pick, recent lottery picks Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., and Frank Ntilikina, the 2021 and 2023 first-round picks they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, and (though the Knicks would probably resist this) second-round shot-blocking monster Mitchell Robinson—to make the Pelicans think hard about whether they’d get more elsewhere. Maybe that’s enough to land Davis, who could join a maximum-salaried free agent or two in a completely revamped Knicks lineup with a chance to be special"

I think the Knicks would have been a sure thing to land AD had they pick better at least one of the last two years.

Mitchell instead of Ntilikina? SGA over Knox? Done deal. I don't know if Robinson/Knox/DSJ/Trier and future first rounders is good enough to beat Boston's offer.

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think the Knicks would have been a sure thing to land AD had they pick better at least one of the last two years.

Mitchell instead of Ntilikina? SGA over Knox? Done deal. I don't know if Robinson/Knox/DSJ/Trier and future first rounders is good enough to beat Boston's offer.

The Boston offer is the biggest unknown of them all... since it seems quite clear that Davis has no interest, currently, in being there... and he definitely won't stick around if Kyrie bounces.

I guess it depends on how much of a package Boston puts together.

Knicks - Barrett/Knox/Robinson/Smith/Dallas 1st Rounder
Boston - Tatum/1st Rounder/Filler

I'll take the Knicks offer.

If Boston goes all in with Tatum/Brown/Picks etc... than I agree Boston can offer more. I just don't think they will.

Tatum was the prize possession but I think that's lost of it it's luster.

If you told me it was Tatum + a middle of the 1st round pick compared to Barrett/Knox/Robinson and an unprotected pick? It's a clear cut decision to me. I'm taking the Knicks.

While I agree with you that Knox isn't exactly the bell of the ball, compared to what they could have had, I do think that Barrett would be a fantastic addition next to Zion and if you toss multiple first rounders at me (along with some young guys)... I'm going that way.

Knicks would still have $$ to burn then if they gutted their entire team of current young talent and picks.

I just have no idea what Boston will really offer until they figure out if Davis is a rental and what they are doing with Kyrie.

GeechQuest · 05-15-2019, 09:02 AM

The Knicks deal makes too much sense.

NY would move these picks and players for Davis, only to see Kyrie and/or KD balk on signing with them and become the Eastern Conference Pelicans.

The Pelicans would get appreciably better by using NY's #3 and future 1st.

Jrue
RJ
Zion
Tobias Harris (signed with the roughly $40M in cap space)
Robinson

Bench:

DSJ
Moore
Knox
Trier

Plethora of picks 2nd round picks plus the robbery from the Knicks. Tons of pieces they could repackage as well.

yiguiri2002 · 05-15-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

The Boston offer is the biggest unknown of them all... since it seems quite clear that Davis has no interest, currently, in being there... and he definitely won't stick around if Kyrie bounces.

I guess it depends on how much of a package Boston puts together.

Knicks - Barrett/Knox/Robinson/Smith/Dallas 1st Rounder
Boston - Tatum/1st Rounder/Filler

I'll take the Knicks offer.

If Boston goes all in with Tatum/Brown/Picks etc... than I agree Boston can offer more. I just don't think they will.

Tatum was the prize possession but I think that's lost of it it's luster.

If you told me it was Tatum + a middle of the 1st round pick compared to Barrett/Knox/Robinson and an unprotected pick? It's a clear cut decision to me.

I just have no idea what Boston will really offer until they figure out if Davis is a rental and what they are doing with Kyrie.

Yep. If it's Tatum+Memphis Pick+filler, I'll take the Knicks. If you add Brown and at least one of the Kings/Clippers pick, I'll go Celtics.

Yesterday wasn't a good day for the Celtics. Memphis got a great pick and they've got more competition for AD.

smalltown · 05-15-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Yep. If it's Tatum+Memphis Pick+filler, I'll take the Knicks. If you add Brown and at least one of the Kings/Clippers pick, I'll go Celtics. Yesterday wasn't a good day for the Celtics.

I think in the end it becomes a game of pick one-upmanship. He who offers the most picks on top of young players wins.

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Yep. If it's Tatum+Memphis Pick+filler, I'll take the Knicks. If you add Brown and at least one of the Kings/Clippers pick, I'll go Celtics.

Yesterday wasn't a good day for the Celtics. Memphis got a great pick and they've got more competition for AD.

Agreed.

Tatum + Brown + Picks would trump the Knicks offer

If it's just Tatum + Picks + Filler I think the Knicks offer is better (if they have any interest in offering it all up like I mentioned - perhaps they don't - but they should)

yiguiri2002 · 05-15-2019, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Agreed.

Tatum + Brown + Picks would trump the Knicks offer

If it's just Tatum + Picks + Filler I think the Knicks offer is better (if they have any interest in offering it all up like I mentioned - perhaps they don't - but they should)

Not only that but the Knicks' biggest contract is Lance Thomas who is an expiring at 7.5M.

Trade him, Ntilikina, Smith, Knox, Robinson, the pick and next year Dallas' pick for AD. Hell, trade both Mavs' picks. You still have like 60M in cap space...that could easily be Kyrie/KD.

theleica · 05-15-2019, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Not only that but the Knicks' biggest contract is Lance Thomas who is an expiring at 7.5M.

Trade him, Ntilikina, Smith, Knox, Robinson, the pick and next year Dallas' pick for AD. Hell, trade both Mavs' picks. You still have like 60M in cap space...that could easily be Kyrie/KD.

If you are Pelicans, don't you want to unload Solomon Hill in any AD trade or is his expiring $13.2 mil contract have value?

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Not only that but the Knicks' biggest contract is Lance Thomas who is an expiring at 7.5M.

Trade him, Ntilikina, Smith, Knox, Robinson, the pick and next year Dallas' pick for AD. Hell, trade both Mavs' picks. You still have like 60M in cap space...that could easily be Kyrie/KD.

Yep

Knicks would be rolling the dice but I'll assume they know some of the back room dealings...

They could offer up the entire team, plus the #3 pick, and both Dallas picks... and have room to pair 2 FA's with Davis

Kyrie, Butler, Davis (obviously Durant is the want but can he be the get?)

codered · 05-15-2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Just said the same in the other thread...

Barrett, Knox, Robinson, Smith have value (especially Barrett to play with Zion again)

Knicks also have all their own picks plus 2 Dallas 1st round picks (2021 being unprotected)

Davis has also said he'd sign with the Knicks so New Orleans can get "full" value over a potential rental with Boston.

Davis is going to the Knicks... and they'll still have $$ to burn.

Agreed! I don’t know why people (most of them sports writers) are giving equal weight to the 3rd and lakers 4th pick. Not only is RJ considerably better than whoever the lakers could take at 4, he’s also become one of Zions best friends. NO is in the middle of a situation of a star wanting to leave, why not make your next star happy by bringing in his friend/teammate? Also if Memphis decides to take RJ (I don’t think they will but wouldn’t be shocked) then the 3rd pick becomes Ja. I think too many people in the media want Davis to LA. The 4th pick isn’t as valuable as perceived IMO.

dasiegel · 05-15-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Ringer had the same thoughts as me this morning

"But it’s possible that, as frustrating as Tuesday’s result is for Knicks fans, New York could present a compelling enough package—involving some combination of the no. 3 pick, recent lottery picks Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., and Frank Ntilikina, the 2021 and 2023 first-round picks they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, and (though the Knicks would probably resist this) second-round shot-blocking monster Mitchell Robinson—to make the Pelicans think hard about whether they’d get more elsewhere. Maybe that’s enough to land Davis, who could join a maximum-salaried free agent or two in a completely revamped Knicks lineup with a chance to be special"

if we gave up this much and there was only a 1 yr guarantee i'd cry

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dasiegel

if we gave up this much and there was only a 1 yr guarantee i'd cry

Well that clearly wouldn't happen.

Knicks would make the trade knowing that Davis would be signing a long term deal

"Since February, it has been reported Davis, a free agent in 2020, considers the Knicks a club he would want to stay with long-term"

jmmintz · 05-15-2019, 10:15 AM

As a Grizzlies fan, I look forward to us screwing this up royally like we did the last time we had #2 and took Thabeet.

dasiegel · 05-15-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Well that clearly wouldn't happen.

Knicks would make the trade knowing that Davis would be signing a long term deal

"Since February, it has been reported Davis, a free agent in 2020, considers the Knicks a club he would want to stay with long-term"

Are you forgetting we are the Knicks!??? It is far from CLEAR that wouldn't happen lol.

smalltown · 05-15-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jmmintz

As a Grizzlies fan, I look forward to us screwing this up royally like we did the last time we had #2 and took Thabeet.

It's a hard one to screw up this year.

asujbl · 05-15-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dasiegel

Are you forgetting we are the Knicks!??? It is far from CLEAR that wouldn't happen lol.

Except it basically has to happen because of the way the cap rules will work to add 2 more free agents.

Knicks need to do that first

So Davis would know what he's getting himself in to

Knicks wouldn't be taking a risk that they get Davis, and nothing else, and that he'd then bolt

They could literally say "these are your new free agent teammates" and if he doesn't like it you just keep the other guys.

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asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,270 ohiosundevils	Ringer had the same thoughts as me this morning "But it’s possible that, as frustrating as Tuesday’s result is for Knicks fans, New York could present a compelling enough package—involving some combination of the no. 3 pick, recent lottery picks Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr., and Frank Ntilikina, the 2021 and 2023 first-round picks they got from the Mavericks in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, and (though the Knicks would probably resist this) second-round shot-blocking monster Mitchell Robinson—to make the Pelicans think hard about whether they’d get more elsewhere. Maybe that’s enough to land Davis, who could join a maximum-salaried free agent or two in a completely revamped Knicks lineup with a chance to be special" __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

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GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	The Knicks deal makes too much sense. NY would move these picks and players for Davis, only to see Kyrie and/or KD balk on signing with them and become the Eastern Conference Pelicans. The Pelicans would get appreciably better by using NY's #3 and future 1st. Jrue RJ Zion Tobias Harris (signed with the roughly $40M in cap space) Robinson Bench: DSJ Moore Knox Trier Plethora of picks 2nd round picks plus the robbery from the Knicks. Tons of pieces they could repackage as well.