2019 NBA Lottery

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Why do they have to be worried about them in order to give them a little 'compensation'?

What is so special about the Pelicans losing Davis that they'd care enough to give them 'compensation'? Teams lose star players all the time.

[1stBowman]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Happy for NOP fans right now.

Me too. Especially after all the BS with AD and the Lakers in February.

And all this business about a rigged lottery. This thread dragged the loons out. I blame meth first, then hereditary mental illness. Those are generally at the heart of any conspiracy theory.

The Mock drafts are going to be very interesting indeed. Obviously NO pick Zion but who does Memphis pick?

[SirTommyWinAlot]

New Orleans is such a bad sports town. Seriously what was the NBA thinking? You get Zion to New York and call it a day. The hype would have been insane.

New Orleans, lol.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

You don't think Zion going to the Celtics or Knicks or Lakers wouldn't exponentially increase the market value of his rookies?

C'mon man.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tazz1213

It is obvious you are a believer. So, he will shoot 70%+? I mean he did that in college too. You do realize he isn't playing any Army, Stetson, or UCF players in the NBA. He hit EXACTLY 3 midrange jumpers the entire season. I assume you think he doesn't need a jumper in the NBA too.

Not sure what he'll do. But it's easy to call "bust" any time someone is hyped up. You'll be right until he can win a chip, which may be never.

Where did I say he doesn't need a jumper? Oh right, I didn't.

I'm not even sure he's in the best place to be let loose. But the dude is gonna have plenty of highlights to keep people interested.

I'm not an investor or hyper, I don't buy Rookies, I just recognise the god gifted ability the dude has.

So what are you predicting? 12PPG in the NBA?

[thecomebacker]

Man, Lakers should offer Lebron to the Pelicans for their #1 so that Lebron can play with his boy and Lakers can rebuild properly. Seems like a win-win. But I have a feeling Pelicans would reject the offer.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by thecomebacker

Man, Lakers should offer Lebron to the Pelicans for their #1 so that Lebron can play with his boy and Lakers can rebuild properly. Seems like a win-win. But I have a feeling Pelicans would reject the offer.

I think we'll see a deal made. AD wants out, the Pels (Demps) already pulled the F you move and the Lakers missed the Playoffs. Griffin will do what is best for the ball club.

I'm intrigued with what will happen. The KD to NY rumors are getting stronger. If NY gets KD they surely go hard at AD

[tazz1213]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Not sure what he'll do. But it's easy to call "bust" any time someone is hyped up. You'll be right until he can win a chip, which may be never.

Where did I say he doesn't need a jumper? Oh right, I didn't.

I'm not even sure he's in the best place to be let loose. But the dude is gonna have plenty of highlights to keep people interested.

I'm not an investor or hyper, I don't buy Rookies, I just recognise the god gifted ability the dude has.

So what are you predicting? 12PPG in the NBA?

Where does it say that I think he will be a bust? I just don't think he will be some unstoppable force in the league. You stated he will post BETTER numbers than he did in college and that he will be a dominant post player. I just dont see that happening in the NBA.
I have called him Randle 2.0 and apparently that is an insult on these boards. Randle posted a 21 9 3 stat line this year. That is Zion's ceiling IMO. I just don't think he will ever be THE guy on a NBA team. Will he be a bust? Doubtful. Will he be a transcendent player? Doubtful too.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tazz1213

Where does it say that I think he will be a bust? I just don't think he will be some unstoppable force in the league. You stated he will post BETTER numbers than he did in college and that he will be a dominant post player. I just dont see that happening in the NBA.
I have called him Randle 2.0 and apparently that is an insult on these boards. Randle posted a 21 9 3 stat line this year. That is Zion's ceiling IMO. I just don't think he will ever be THE guy on a NBA team. Will he be a bust? Doubtful. Will he be a transcendent player? Doubtful too.

You're gonna eat your words.

Actually you said he won't be an "effective" post player. Try not to BS when you reply and make ish up.

Randle is Zion's ceiling? Ok. Let's see if that holds true.

I love Randle by the way, but I'd say that's Zion's floor. Barring injury of course.

[Jpayne7787]

Idk, the hype for Zion is strong for sure,

But is his hype really that much greater than guys like Yao,Dwight,Blake Simmons and even Wiggins/Oden?

It’s easy to dismiss these players now but all these guys had just as much hype heading into the draft imo, Espicially Dwight Howard and Blake Griffin.

[cowboyzqna]

Thats that voodoo!


Interesting situation with AD. He has to go at this point right? But for who?

[bbplaya11]

Pels need to answer the lakers calls, Zion, Ingram, kuzma. Zo, randle, jrue?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It's definitely closer than you're alluding to.

I think you're letting your personal views of how you think Zion will project as an NBA player cloud the actual discussion at hand, which is their pre-draft hype.

Doesn't matter what Zion ends up becoming, their hype leading up to the selection was similar, and saying Zion wasn't even half Lebron's hype is hyperbole.

Citing print publications is like comparing vinyl record sales to mp3 downloads. Completely different era. Nobody buys or reads magazines. But you can get a good gauge on the public by their views on youtube. And Zion's high school mixtapes already have more views than majority of Giannis' top videos.

The thing about Lebron is that he came straight out of high school, and people pretty much knew what he was going to be in terms of his position and play style. It was a lock.

Zion's hype is built on the foundation of the unknown. Because he's something the game has never seen before with his size and athleticism and 2 way ability all combined.

Yes, I agree the Lebron had more hype, but certainly not to that extent.

Ninja, I don't think you're remembering very well.

Lebron was heralded as the best high school player in the country after his sophomore campaign. He would have been the number 1 pick in the 2002 NBA Draft. He got $80M with Nike, which was 4x what he was projected to get (and what would have been a record deal anyway). SVSM had to move their home games to a bigger arena to accommodate the fans. He did all this with no videos on Youtube, no Instagram posts, no tweets. He was anointed the "Chosen One" as a damn junior!

Zion wasn't even the best prospect in his high school class. May not have even gone in the top 5 last year. His style of play has vaulted him to the most hyped prospect of recent memory, but he's not 2003 Lebron.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

New Orleans is such a bad sports town. Seriously what was the NBA thinking? You get Zion to New York and call it a day. The hype would have been insane.

New Orleans, lol.

I know, it's not like the Saints have any rabid fans or anything.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Boo

I know, it's not like the Saints have any rabid fans or anything.

Lol. People have no idea what they are talking about. If Pels put a good team together the fans will pack that arena. Pretty excited as this is only a 3 hour drive for me. Will be going to a couple games.

[oldgoldy97]

The US is made up of the East Coast, Chicago, Dallas, Houston and California. The rest is basically a Mad Max-type wasteland where the mutants fight over gasoline.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

New Orleans is such a bad sports town. Seriously what was the NBA thinking? You get Zion to New York and call it a day. The hype would have been insane.

New Orleans, lol.

Wow I guess you never been to a Saints game
Here you go
https://t.co/meihqCrWdd

[theleica]

If the lottery did one thing, it put the Pelicans in the driver's seat with any potential AD trade. Are the Knicks still in the sweepstakes for AD? RJ Barrett is the perfect fit with KD & Kyrie if they sign there. If Kyrie signs with NYK, then does Boston have any real shot that AD stays there long term if they trade for him? Seems like a bad move for the Celtics. That leaves the Lakers as the best trade package but I don't see the Pelicans signing off on that based on everything that happened at the trade deadline. Is a deal to the Clippers possible?

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by theleica

If the lottery did one thing, it put the Pelicans in the driver's seat with any potential AD trade. Are the Knicks still in the sweepstakes for AD? RJ Barrett is the perfect fit with KD & Kyrie if they sign there. If Kyrie signs with NYK, then does Boston have any real shot that AD stays there long term if they trade for him? Seems like a bad move for the Celtics. That leaves the Lakers as the best trade package but I don't see the Pelicans signing off on that. Is a deal to the Clippers possible?

I think picks #3 and #4 really put LA and NY ahead of Boston in any trade for AD. I think if they can convince NY to give up the #3 and a future first plus young players and maybe some seconds as filler they have the best offer.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I think picks #3 and #4 really put LA and NY ahead of Boston in any trade for AD. I think if they can convince NY to give up the #3 and a future first plus young players and maybe some seconds as filler they have the best offer.

I don't think the Knicks have an attractive enough offer.

It would be something like Lance Thomas, Hezonja, Ntilikina, Smith Jr & #3 for AD. If I am the Pelicans there is no way I am taking that. Any trade by the Pelicans will hinge on a team taking back Solomon Hill.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I think picks #3 and #4 really put LA and NY ahead of Boston in any trade for AD. I think if they can convince NY to give up the #3 and a future first plus young players and maybe some seconds as filler they have the best offer.

Just said the same in the other thread...

Barrett, Knox, Robinson, Smith have value (especially Barrett to play with Zion again)

Knicks also have all their own picks plus 2 Dallas 1st round picks (2021 being unprotected)

Davis has also said he'd sign with the Knicks so New Orleans can get "full" value over a potential rental with Boston.

Davis is going to the Knicks... and they'll still have $$ to burn.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by theleica

I don't think the Knicks have an attractive enough offer.

It would be something like Lance Thomas, Hezonja, Ntilikina, Smith Jr & #3 for AD. If I am the Pelicans there is no way I am taking that.

Why did you ignore their 2 best assets outside of RJ Barrett? Knox and Robinson...

They also have multiple 1st round picks going forward including the unprotected Dallas pick.

Knicks have lots of assets.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Why did you ignore their 2 best assets outside of RJ Barrett? Knox and Robinson...

They also have multiple 1st round picks going forward including the unprotected Dallas pick.

Knicks have lots of assets.

It doesn't allow you to trade him in trade machine. Not sure why. And why take on Robinson when you have Okafor.

[asujbl]

Lakers offer... Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, Garland (or insert your player here)
Knicks offer... Knox, Robinson, Smith, Barrett, Dallas Unprotected 1st rounder in 2021... and potentially more 1st rounders as they have multiple going forward (another Dallas one)

I'll take that Knicks offer all day long if I'm comparing it against the Lakers.

Could the Lakers offer more picks? Sure... but they've said they didn't want to since LeBron is on a limited time frame at his age. Knicks can toss every pick they have in the deal if it nets them Davis. They don't care.

That's just me. I think those guys, especially Barrett, would fit better with Zion than surrounding him with Ball and Ingram.

Kuzma is the only Laker I would want.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Lakers offer... Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, Garland (or insert your player here)
Knicks offer... Knox, Robinson, Smith, Barrett, Dallas Unprotected 1st rounder in 2021... and potentially more 1st rounders as they have multiple going forward (another Dallas one)

I'll take that Knicks offer all day long if I'm comparing it against the Lakers.

Could the Lakers offer more picks? Sure... but they've said they didn't want to since LeBron is on a limited time frame at his age. Knicks can toss every pick they have in the deal if it nets them Davis. They don't care.

That's just me. I think those guys, especially Barrett, would fit better with Zion than surrounding him with Ball and Ingram.

Kuzma is the only Laker I would want.

Those aren't bad trades. Both teams would have to make salaries match up which is tough. AD, KD, and Kyrie would be exciting to watch. I will be surprised if either trade happens.