2019 NBA Lottery - Page 11

asujbl · 05-14-2019, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

So are Suns FO and Suns fans jumping off bridges right now? Go from a top 3 player to pick 6 in a draft that won't probably even have 5 top players to draft?

White would be a great pick at 6

They’ll be fine

GeechQuest · 05-14-2019, 08:33 PM

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

Chucky · 05-14-2019, 08:33 PM

I think Zion to the Pelicans is perfect for him. Having a players coach like Alvin Gentry will help him and them getting Griffin as their GM is huge too. He will put a good team out there. If AD stays, they could be a more athletic version of Duncan/Robinson.

Brobocop · 05-14-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

This, don't most people buy the player and not the team? Hence why basketball does so well internationally?

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

you have to be kidding me

RogerGodahell · 05-14-2019, 08:35 PM

Celtics aren't trading all of that for AD on a 1 year deal. They'd be lucky to get Tatum and one of the others. I think something happened earlier in the year around the trade deadline when the Lakers wanted AD and the Celtics were talking to NO. I believe there was a possible verbal agreement made. The Celtics said "wait until the off season and we'll give you whatever you want". I dont think that implied we'll give you our whole team. But i do think it implied they were willing to deal Tatum. I think that's who NO has had their eye on.

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:36 PM

you are telling me if he were on the Knicks, theyd sell for the same as him being in NO?

alias21 · 05-14-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

It’s clearly based on Kyrie being back

Davis, Kyrie, Hayward, Horford and whatever else they have left

Well I’m assuming kyrie is gone at this point. And really if he came back I wouldn’t want him if I’m Boston. He gave up and was a negative in the series he was supposed to step up. Plus AD doesn’t want to be there and will probably leave after a year. Let kyrie walk. Build around your assets.

BravesFan4Life · 05-14-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

That last part is the most odd logic I have read in a while. The NY and LA markets are massive, his cards would have been much much more expensive had he gone to either location. People do go after the player but there are team loyal collectors and the Knicks and Lakers have two of the most die hard and loyal fan bases.

KhalDrogo · 05-14-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

I haven't seen anyone say Zion to NO is bad for the hobby. I think it's bad for the league. Nobody gives two craps about New Orleans Pelicans basketball.

GeechQuest · 05-14-2019, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you have to be kidding me

You honestly think guys who have been salivating for Zion cards are going to pass because he’s on the Pelicans? It doesn’t matter for him.

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You honestly think guys who have been salivating for Zion cards are going to pass because he’s on the Pelicans? It doesn’t matter for him.

yes, but to say it doesnt matter is not correct

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:39 PM

When was the last time the Knicks did not sell out a home game?

a franchise so poorly run, sells out 41 games a year

MSG is still MSG

GeechQuest · 05-14-2019, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

wow, this is bad for the hobby

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

While it may be terrible for the hobby...isn't this what everyone wanted?

A system that didn't reward the worst teams from intentionally tanking (New Orleans you could argue was part of this, but majority stemmed from the AD debacle).

I hope stuff like this continues so they don't reward dysfunction.

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

Yep, was talking with an LCS owner who said if Zion went to the knicks it would have brought people who don't normally buy look for Zion. Now, Zion will be had for a 5th of what he would go for. A silver may go for 150, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

lol maybe hobby shops will get product instead of breakers getting all of it

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Now NT will only be $1600 a box out the gate instead of $2K. Horrible hobby news.

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Originally Posted by mhcubsfan

Hobby standpoint. Absolutely awful. We could have had Ja and Zion on Knick’s and Lakers. It would have seemed rigged but cards would have been booming. Now the pelicans and grizzlies have the top two players lololol. Just gross but happy for a small market team.

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Originally Posted by patchgenie

two crap no market teams at 1 and 2. was hoping for the knicks for zion and morant on the bulls. that would be good for the hobby. i guess barrett is ok.

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I haven't seen anyone say Zion to NO is bad for the hobby. I think it's bad for the league. Nobody gives two craps about New Orleans Pelicans basketball.

Welcome to the thread...

oldgoldy97 · 05-14-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you are telling me if he were on the Knicks, theyd sell for the same as him being in NO?

Who exactly are the most expensive Knicks cards of? Or have they never had good players?

Shouldn’t you be at Target checking for megas?

GeechQuest · 05-14-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes, but to say it doesnt matter is not correct

From a hobby standpoint and his card prices? No, it doesn’t. Zion would eat up the hobby money if he would have been selected by the Monstars.

The Knicks don’t have a single Top-15 hobby player...

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Who exactly are the most expensive Knicks cards of? Or have they never had good players?

Shouldn’t you be at Target checking for megas?

i checked. non today

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

From a hobby standpoint and his card prices? No, it doesn’t. Zion would eat up the hobby money if he would have been selected by the Monstars.

yes, but to think they would not be HIGHER with him in NY is wrong...IMO, of course

blackbears86 · 05-14-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You honestly think guys who have been salivating for Zion cards are going to pass because he’s on the Pelicans? It doesn’t matter for him.

I agree with TBP.

Zion in NO will still go for crazy money because, well, he's Zion.

But Zion in LA or NY would have gone for ABSURD money.

mwash1983 · 05-14-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams.

Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball.

Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

I'll be the devil's advocat here. Lebron to the Cavs was his hometown team and was considered best prospect since Kobe/Jordan. Giannis was a mid 1st rd pick, he was a major project who hit every bit of his ceiling and more, plus he was from Greece. Luka went to the team that Dirk built and was seen as a passing of the torch and Trae was hyped up as the next Curry.

RogerGodahell · 05-14-2019, 08:43 PM

Tatum and Zion will be entertaining.

GeechQuest · 05-14-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes, but to think they would not be HIGHER with him in NY is wrong...IMO, of course

I disagree, as there’s never been any evidence to suggest that the team the top guys go to matters.

Middling bums, sure. Top guys, nah.

ninjacookies · 05-14-2019, 08:44 PM

Lakers I could see a slight premium (because that's almost always been their history).

Knicks? Debatable. Porzingis didn't set records out the gate, but sold well once he proved he was actually worthy of his draft position.

auctionjmm · 05-14-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I haven't seen anyone say Zion to NO is bad for the hobby. I think it's bad for the league. Nobody gives two craps about New Orleans Pelicans basketball.

7 different people said it lol

I disagree of course because of the Cavs, Bucks, Hawks, and even the Warriors. Nobody cared about those teams from a "hobby" perspective until they got great players. Proof that anyone can sell well in any market.

ThoseBackPages · 05-14-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I disagree, as there’s never been any evidence to suggest that the team the top guys go to matters.

Middling bums, sure. Top guys, nah.

i respect your opinion. agree to disagree here

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,646 ThoseBackPages	you are telling me if he were on the Knicks, theyd sell for the same as him being in NO? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-14-2019, 08:39 PM	#263
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,646 ThoseBackPages	When was the last time the Knicks did not sell out a home game? a franchise so poorly run, sells out 41 games a year MSG is still MSG __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-14-2019, 08:33 PM	#252
GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	Dudes talking about Zion to NO is bad for the Hobby are ridiculous. People buy into players not teams. Lebron and the Cavs weren’t a match made in Hobby heaven. Giannis and the Bucks. Hell, Trae and Luka are in jank markets for basketball. Zion cards would not be any more expensive if NY or LA got him. The top players cards go for bank regardless of where they go. In fact, prices may be MORE now because NY and LA don’t get the 2 guys who will pull money regardless of where they go. Markets help middling bums (Mitch Rob, Trier, etc....). Zion is the market. His team is irrelevant.

05-14-2019, 08:33 PM	#253
Chucky Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,565 Basketballchuck	I think Zion to the Pelicans is perfect for him. Having a players coach like Alvin Gentry will help him and them getting Griffin as their GM is huge too. He will put a good team out there. If AD stays, they could be a more athletic version of Duncan/Robinson.

05-14-2019, 08:35 PM	#256
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Celtics aren't trading all of that for AD on a 1 year deal. They'd be lucky to get Tatum and one of the others. I think something happened earlier in the year around the trade deadline when the Lakers wanted AD and the Celtics were talking to NO. I believe there was a possible verbal agreement made. The Celtics said "wait until the off season and we'll give you whatever you want". I dont think that implied we'll give you our whole team. But i do think it implied they were willing to deal Tatum. I think that's who NO has had their eye on.

05-14-2019, 08:43 PM	#271
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Tatum and Zion will be entertaining.

05-14-2019, 08:44 PM	#273
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,200	Lakers I could see a slight premium (because that's almost always been their history). Knicks? Debatable. Porzingis didn't set records out the gate, but sold well once he proved he was actually worthy of his draft position.