Anthony Davis Requests a trade

[starvela]

Originally Posted by spurs50fan

what’s the point of contracts if a player can wiggle out of one? Just give them 1 year gentlemen agreements and toss the tampering rules

+1 I agree...Though some players will eventually get hurt on 1 year deals and this trend would change rather quickly back to where it is currently!! Durant sure does like to play with fire, its risky, taking 1 year deals!! Ask Cousins and IThomas just much an injury could cost you!!

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by alias21

I don’t think they are g league bums either but I also don’t think they’re potential superstars. Which is what I’d be looking to get back if I’m the pelicans. Just one guy who at least has that potential. Imo lakers don’t have that guy. So if I’m NOLA I wait till the offseason to see what Celtics offer or to see what the knicks pick is.

so who in the NBA is a "Superstar" right now?? i mean to me there are not that many....maybe 10 tops...

so all these lakers "bums" are not that...but Jayson Tatum is????? this is unreal to me that people seem to think the gap between any of the lakers kids and Tatum is basically "g-league scrubs(not everyone saying that but its been said)...and potential superstar"....

this is hilarious to me...does everyone honestly view Tatum as someone who could be a top 7 or so player in the league?? based on what?? geez...

him having a good 10 game stretch in the playoffs as a rookie....with a great coach and still with a solid team of vets at that point but not scorers so he took the scoring load....

outside of that playoff run what has he done? he is wildly inconsistent just like Ingram/Kuzma...looking at his game log...its like every 3 games he will have one above avg game...one avg game...then one crap game...coup wks ago he drops 34 with kyrie out...they lost that game...next game he puts up 16/10 in a nice win over TOR with kyrie back...3rd game he goes 0-6 and scores 2pts in a 122-116 win over Mem...that seems like a superstar potential guy? he does this all the time...i know cuz he is maddening to use in daily fantasy! lol

you really think this guy is a potential superstar but the other guys are just trash/roster filler/maybe average players

to me the "SuperStars" in the NBA currently are limited to:

Lebron
Durant
Curry
Harden
Giannis
Embiid
Kawhi
AD

anyone else i think the argument can be made too easily against them so its iffy...sure there are others that are great players...but is PG13 really a superstar in this league? is Kyrie really a superstar? what exactly has he done w/o Lebron...you can cherry pick some guys above about same stuff...just my opinion...there is another 5-10 guys that are right there below those guys...but whatever...its subjective...

point is how can anyone say they see Tatum getting to these levels and in the next sentence call all the Lakers kids bums is beyond me...

that is some elite level stuff on that list...call me crazy...i dont ever see Tatum being more than a 3rd best type guy on a really good team...if he is the number one get for AD then to me they did poorly...id rather get 4 guys who are young and maybe that change of scenery will help them...when i think its more likely that Tatum changing actually hurts him...he is in a great spot where he is now...

we will see...i agree with some others that Pels could get greedy and end up with nothing which would be crippling to them for a long time

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by rats60

They will not get a similar offer, it will be much less. AD will have less time on his contract, so less value. If they give the Lakers the chance to see how little Boston and others offer, they will lower the value. The Lakers want AD in place to sign another FA on July 1. If NO wants to screw with them, they can wait and sign AD as a FA.

If they are waiting it is because they feel good about the conversation they already had with Ainge and the return he would bring.

The Lakers certainly can wait to sign him as a FA but then you are dealing with a 36 year Lebron. The pressure is on LA....not the Pelicans. They will either bring this to the very end of the trade deadline and bleed more picks out of the Lakers or they are waiting to the summer to see what other teams can come in to play. Maybe they want to see what that Knicks pick looks like.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by pac213up

If they are waiting it is because they feel good about the conversation they already had with Ainge and the return he would bring.

The Lakers certainly can wait to sign him as a FA but then you are dealing with a 36 year Lebron. The pressure is on LA....not the Pelicans. They will either bring this to the very end of the trade deadline and bleed more picks out of the Lakers or they are waiting to the summer to see what other teams can come in to play. Maybe they want to see what that Knicks pick looks like.

it still just comes down to passing on an actual offer right now and knowing what you got....rather than risking losing that offer as it stands...and "hoping" some what-ifs work in your favor or that these other teams really do want to pay you big time for 1yr...

i would not want to play the risky game but that is just me...i would take the huge haul of players offered today with 1st rounders as well...

cuz its my job if i wait til summer and if Kyrie leaves like others stated...then why would Boston want to then gut the rest of the young guys in hopes that AD stays more than 1yr...and why would AD stay there with no kyrie, no tatum, no brown or whoever else....he wouldnt...that would be worse than what NO currently has...

and if you wait to see how the knicks pick looks....well if its anything but #1 does NO want that? and honestly if you are the Knicks...and you get #1...are you really gonna trade Zion before even seeing him on the court...its NYK...Zion would be a legend before even taking the court...to trade him...idk...that would take some balls for sure...and if its like #4 do they even have enough to try and couple that is enticing enough for NO? does #4/Knox/whoever blow NO away?

idk...for me its just lets avoid the risk of possibly getting just way less from LAL in the summer and take this pretty nice haul of players/picks and be done with it...rather than another 6 months of drama as well...

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

NO are being screwed here by a star that wants to bail, they deserve hefty compensation.

Not really....this is AD's 7th season in NOLA....they've had plenty of time to build a contender around him and haven't. He's actually doing NOLA a favor by giving them plenty of time to arrange a trade instead of waiting until he is an FA to decide not to take their max offer.

[packman80]

So Ball's father says if traded Ball should end up with Suns. I see a traded would work with Ball going to Suns and Josh Jackson to Pelicans maybe draft picks involved but would that work out for both Suns and Pelicans?

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Originally Posted by packman80

So Ball's father says if traded Ball should end up with Suns. I see a traded would work with Ball going to Suns and Josh Jackson to Pelicans maybe draft picks involved but would that work out for both Suns and Pelicans?

I don't see why the Pelicans would want Jackson and he has also looked terrible! In this scenario they are already getting Ingram and Kuzma they already have Randle and Mirotic they need more guards like Lonzo more than they need another forward especially once who is worse than all the forwards they have already.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by GoNYGoNYGo

I don't see why the Pelicans would want Jackson and he has also looked terrible! In this scenario they are already getting Ingram and Kuzma they already have Randle and Mirotic they need more guards like Lonzo more than they need another forward especially once who is worse than all the forwards they have already.

I don't see why anyone cares what any Ball thinks. What is he going to do? Not play?

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Originally Posted by theleica

I don't see why anyone cares what any Ball thinks. What is he going to do? Not play?

Oh he will play - it will be on a team with his two brothers in a league his dad attempts to start that can't manage to get full rosters and plays in empty gyms accross LA while he claims the league is the most profitable league ever.

[NinjaJohnny]

If the Suns can get the top pick again somehow and grab Zo for a fair price, that team could potentially grow into a pretty fun team to watch.

Zo, Book, Bridges, Zion, Ayton.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

it still just comes down to passing on an actual offer right now and knowing what you got....rather than risking losing that offer as it stands...and "hoping" some what-ifs work in your favor or that these other teams really do want to pay you big time for 1yr...

i would not want to play the risky game but that is just me...i would take the huge haul of players offered today with 1st rounders as well...

cuz its my job if i wait til summer and if Kyrie leaves like others stated...then why would Boston want to then gut the rest of the young guys in hopes that AD stays more than 1yr...and why would AD stay there with no kyrie, no tatum, no brown or whoever else....he wouldnt...that would be worse than what NO currently has...

and if you wait to see how the knicks pick looks....well if its anything but #1 does NO want that? and honestly if you are the Knicks...and you get #1...are you really gonna trade Zion before even seeing him on the court...its NYK...Zion would be a legend before even taking the court...to trade him...idk...that would take some balls for sure...and if its like #4 do they even have enough to try and couple that is enticing enough for NO? does #4/Knox/whoever blow NO away?

idk...for me its just lets avoid the risk of possibly getting just way less from LAL in the summer and take this pretty nice haul of players/picks and be done with it...rather than another 6 months of drama as well...

This is my exact thinking.

If I'm the Celtics no way I'm giving up Kyrie or Tatum. Especially if there's any possibility that AD has the same thoughts as his dad. There's a monstrous difference between someone who wanted to sign somewhere else and someone who doesn't want to be with your franchise. And that's in addition to your comments.

If I'm NO and the Knicks do get the #1 pick. So what.... If AD wants to compete for a title no way he's doing that with the Knicks even with Zion.

When news broke about what the Lakers current offer is I thought holy crap that's a lot. I mean Ingram, Kuzma, Ball and 2 firsts? I would make a horrible GM because I would jump on that in a heartbeat. Those 3 guys plus 2 firsts for a guy who doesn't want to be there and will leave in a year? I really can't see how anyone but Boston could offer a better deal given the circumstances. And I can't see how/why Boston would offer a better deal if there's any truth to AD not wanting to be in Boston long term.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

it still just comes down to passing on an actual offer right now and knowing what you got....rather than risking losing that offer as it stands...and "hoping" some what-ifs work in your favor or that these other teams really do want to pay you big time for 1yr...

i would not want to play the risky game but that is just me...i would take the huge haul of players offered today with 1st rounders as well...

cuz its my job if i wait til summer and if Kyrie leaves like others stated...then why would Boston want to then gut the rest of the young guys in hopes that AD stays more than 1yr...and why would AD stay there with no kyrie, no tatum, no brown or whoever else....he wouldnt...that would be worse than what NO currently has...

and if you wait to see how the knicks pick looks....well if its anything but #1 does NO want that? and honestly if you are the Knicks...and you get #1...are you really gonna trade Zion before even seeing him on the court...its NYK...Zion would be a legend before even taking the court...to trade him...idk...that would take some balls for sure...and if its like #4 do they even have enough to try and couple that is enticing enough for NO? does #4/Knox/whoever blow NO away?

idk...for me its just lets avoid the risk of possibly getting just way less from LAL in the summer and take this pretty nice haul of players/picks and be done with it...rather than another 6 months of drama as well...

If your getting caught up in the Irving noise then maybe but again...these GMs have way more information than us. So if they are waiting, there is a reason and good information to base that reason on.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by packman80

So Ball's father says if traded Ball should end up with Suns. I see a traded would work with Ball going to Suns and Josh Jackson to Pelicans maybe draft picks involved but would that work out for both Suns and Pelicans?

That's what the league has come to these days.....2nd year players publicly demanding to be traded to specific teams.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by NinjaJohnny

If the Suns can get the top pick again somehow and grab Zo for a fair price, that team could potentially grow into a pretty fun team to watch.

Zo, Book, Bridges, Zion, Ayton.

I think that would fun to watch. Lavar might be right for a change, Phoenix is a great fit for Lonzo. No pressure and can just do his thing.

[CubKings]

Am I the only one who thinks its crazy to add Ingram in the deal? He's been balling lately and seems to be pretty efficient.

Also, they are trading away all their young core and will cripple the future of the franchise. And for what? Just to try and get LeBron another ring? He will be gone in 5-7 years and by then AD will probably be out of his prime while all the young guys they had are gone.

Plus what will the roster even look like? LeBron, AD and then a handful of bench players? Ok..

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

so who in the NBA is a "Superstar" right now?? i mean to me there are not that many....maybe 10 tops...

so all these lakers "bums" are not that...but Jayson Tatum is????? this is unreal to me that people seem to think the gap between any of the lakers kids and Tatum is basically "g-league scrubs(not everyone saying that but its been said)...and potential superstar"....

this is hilarious to me...does everyone honestly view Tatum as someone who could be a top 7 or so player in the league?? based on what?? geez...

him having a good 10 game stretch in the playoffs as a rookie....with a great coach and still with a solid team of vets at that point but not scorers so he took the scoring load....

outside of that playoff run what has he done? he is wildly inconsistent just like Ingram/Kuzma...looking at his game log...its like every 3 games he will have one above avg game...one avg game...then one crap game...coup wks ago he drops 34 with kyrie out...they lost that game...next game he puts up 16/10 in a nice win over TOR with kyrie back...3rd game he goes 0-6 and scores 2pts in a 122-116 win over Mem...that seems like a superstar potential guy? he does this all the time...i know cuz he is maddening to use in daily fantasy! lol

you really think this guy is a potential superstar but the other guys are just trash/roster filler/maybe average players

to me the "SuperStars" in the NBA currently are limited to:

Lebron
Durant
Curry
Harden
Giannis
Embiid
Kawhi
AD

anyone else i think the argument can be made too easily against them so its iffy...sure there are others that are great players...but is PG13 really a superstar in this league? is Kyrie really a superstar? what exactly has he done w/o Lebron...you can cherry pick some guys above about same stuff...just my opinion...there is another 5-10 guys that are right there below those guys...but whatever...its subjective...

point is how can anyone say they see Tatum getting to these levels and in the next sentence call all the Lakers kids bums is beyond me...

that is some elite level stuff on that list...call me crazy...i dont ever see Tatum being more than a 3rd best type guy on a really good team...if he is the number one get for AD then to me they did poorly...id rather get 4 guys who are young and maybe that change of scenery will help them...when i think its more likely that Tatum changing actually hurts him...he is in a great spot where he is now...

we will see...i agree with some others that Pels could get greedy and end up with nothing which would be crippling to them for a long time

Tatum is 20 years old and plays like a 28 year old. There is a lot of upside to Tatum. You do realize Kawhi was not some "superstar" when he was 20.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by mfw13

That's what the league has come to these days.....2nd year players publicly demanding to be traded to specific teams.

You forgot the guys under contract for another year and half but it’s alright he was there for 6 years

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Tatum is 20 years old and plays like a 28 year old. There is a lot of upside to Tatum. You do realize Kawhi was not some "superstar" when he was 20.

of course...but that is not some outcome that comes along all the time

ok lets look at it from another angle maybe...

lets say Tatum is dealt to NO...they would have control over him for how many years? just a couple right?

so now you need him to be that superstar by age 21-22 tops

or you need him to sign long term in NO

if not then you got nothing in return....at least with the lakers guys you have multiple shots at someone making that leap and prob an easier shot to at least keep a couple of them around for an extension/signing

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

if not then you got nothing in return....at least with the lakers guys you have multiple shots at someone making that leap and prob an easier shot to at least keep a couple of them around for an extension/signing

Not sure the Pelicans are really all that impressed with any of the Lakers guys. That is part of the problem at this point. It is quantity over quality.

[asujbl]

Preface - I would gladly take LeBron back. I’m not crazy

But this is what Cavs fans dealt with forever

He legitimately might trade the entire team, and multiple years worth of picks, so he can last 2-3 more years

Coach and GM

Just reality

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Tatum is 20 years old and plays like a 28 year old. There is a lot of upside to Tatum. You do realize Kawhi was not some "superstar" when he was 20.

Ingram just turned 21 in September. His play seems to be in direct correlation with when Ball is out for some reason, too. When Ball is not in, he’s been efficient, both this year and last. Idk what that’s about.

Not saying he’s better than Tatum, but I think Ingram isn’t done just yet.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Not sure the Pelicans are really all that impressed with any of the Lakers guys. That is part of the problem at this point. It is quantity over quality.

yea i mean if they flat out dont like the guys the lakers have(sources said at least some of the front office people really wanted the deal) but if the main ppl just dont like them...then they are gonna just run the risk of getting back what is perceived to be a lesser return unless some certain things go just right for them/other teams

[Boo]

Originally Posted by pac213up

If they are waiting it is because they feel good about the conversation they already had with Ainge and the return he would bring.

The Lakers certainly can wait to sign him as a FA but then you are dealing with a 36 year Lebron. The pressure is on LA....not the Pelicans. They will either bring this to the very end of the trade deadline and bleed more picks out of the Lakers or they are waiting to the summer to see what other teams can come in to play. Maybe they want to see what that Knicks pick looks like.

The Celtics from what I've read are insinuating that they will give NO a great deal, better than the Lakers and that Kyrie will be staying. That said, the Lakers will still trade the farm this summer if they don't get him by the deadline.

I say NO doesn't trade him before the deadline.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

You forgot the guys under contract for another year and half but it’s alright he was there for 6 years

He's talking about Lonzo Ball, not AD

[pgisback]

If the Pels don't take the offer that's going to be one awkward Lakers locker room. A bunch of guys they tried to get rid of that the other team simply didn't want.