The Hotstove Thread

[ntgm37]

Originally Posted by prospects

So then instead, sign Kimbrell, and use the top prospects to trade for a non 36 year old infielder. I dont get it. The only way trading away your best prospects makes sense is if the mets are going to go all in this winter and get harper and Kimbrell AFTER this trade.

Then prospects dont matter

The prospects are probably right for Diaz straight up. It's almost like the Marlins telling Boston they have to take Mike Lowell in any Josh Beckett deal. Except that Seattle is paying a significant (allegedly) portion to take him back.

As for your analysis, you would have to assume that Kimbrel even wants to sign in New York to begin with, which it doesn't appear the Mets are spending alot of money at this time. I'd assume to get Craig, you'd have to exceed the deals given to Aroldis and such which seems crazy for how shaky Craig was last year. Plus he is older. So:

Old 2nd baseman who rakes and play passable defense plus arguably the best closer available (young, controllable, and cheap)

Or

Trade more prospects to see if Brendan Rodgers is available and overpay for Kimbrel.

Either option appears to make the Mets better, so I don't see a problem.

[NeedChapmans]

The Cubs traded Torres for half a year of Chapman. The Indians traded Frazier and Sheffield for a year and a half of Miller.

What is four years of a prime 24 year old Diaz worth in prospect terms? Certainly more than that I would imagine, even with a flush RP market.

[ntgm37]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The Cubs traded Torres for half a year of Chapman. The Indians traded Frazier and Sheffield for a year and a half of Miller.

What is four years of a prime 24 year old Diaz worth in prospect terms? Certainly more than that I would imagine, even with a flush RP market.

Plus San Deigo got a haul for Kimbrel, Atlanta got a haul for Kimbrel, Philly got a lot for Giles, and so on, and so on..

[gonygo]

Sign Bryce Harper and ill buy season tickets for the next 10 years no questions asked. lol
This Diaz kid is good and i don't mind taking on Cano if we can get part of his contract paid by the Mariners and get rid of some of our awful contracts like NeedChapmans says..Its just a matter of which prospects are or aren't going back in a potential deal...I prefer NOT to get rid of McNeil, Gimenez or Kelenic...

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ntgm37

Plus San Deigo got a haul for Kimbrel, Atlanta got a haul for Kimbrel, Philly got a lot for Giles, and so on, and so on..

The market for high quality RP's has been ridiculous for a while. Considering what other teams have given up, for just months worth of service, getting Diaz for four years would be great. It's just rare to see it w/ so many years left of control.

Then, tack on a couple of dead $$ contracts the Mets want to get rid of and it's not unreasonable to see them give up two top prospects. Just stay the *(#*! away from McNeil.

[prospects]

Source: #Mariners and #Mets talks intensifying to bring Cano/Diaz to NYM. Still have money, medicals and no trade clauses to work on but Sea is now focused on the Mets. Swarzak/Bruce likely to offer some financial counterweight.


Source said a #Mets #Mariners trade has some possibility of crossing finish line tonight. Not sure how many prospects in but Sea has asked particularly on Dunn, Kelenic, McNeil

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by prospects

Source: #Mariners and #Mets talks intensifying to bring Cano/Diaz to NYM. Still have money, medicals and no trade clauses to work on but Sea is now focused on the Mets. Swarzak/Bruce likely to offer some financial counterweight.


Source said a #Mets #Mariners trade has some possibility of crossing finish line tonight. Not sure how many prospects in but Sea has asked particularly on Dunn, Kelenic, McNeil

Very simple where I stand here. If the Mets bring in Cano + Diaz, and unload Bruce + Swarzak, I'm absolutely OK with giving up Kelenic and Dunn. If they wanna throw in another prospect or two down the line, that's great too. But if it's D + K + McNeil. Absolutely not ... no.

[prospects]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Very simple where I stand here. If the Mets bring in Cano + Diaz, and unload Bruce + Swarzak, I'm absolutely OK with giving up Kelenic and Dunn. If they wanna throw in another prospect or two down the line, that's great too. But if it's D + K + McNeil. Absolutely not ... no.

The mets are throwing their top prospects away because they still do not want to spend.

[Links242]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Very simple where I stand here. If the Mets bring in Cano + Diaz, and unload Bruce + Swarzak, I'm absolutely OK with giving up Kelenic and Dunn. If they wanna throw in another prospect or two down the line, that's great too. But if it's D + K + McNeil. Absolutely not ... no.

Let’s say McNeil stays with the Mets. Where will you play the cano/McNeil combo? Cano at first and McNeil second?

[ntgm37]

Originally Posted by prospects

The mets are throwing their top prospects away because they still do not want to spend.

What are you talking about? Why can't you understand that Diaz is worth the prospects on his own?

[prospects]

Originally Posted by ntgm37

What are you talking about? Why can't you understand that Diaz is worth the prospects on his own?

Again, this deal only makes sense if the Mets are going to go out and get another super reliever, a catcher, and a few nice bench bats. This is not a playoff team with just Edwin diaz and robinson cano. So if you are not going to do more, then trading top prospects is dumb.

[prospects]

but let me backtrack: it would also make sense if the mets trade noah for prospects to replace the ones they trade in this deal...

[Links242]

Originally Posted by prospects

but let me backtrack: it would also make sense if the mets trade noah for prospects to replace the ones they trade in this deal...

Or DeGrom...

[prospects]

Originally Posted by Links242

Or DeGrom...

[prospects]

#Mets-#Mariners blockbuster involving Cano and Diaz is close, sources tell The Athletic. No announcement expected tonight, possibly tomorrow.

its going to happen

[prospects]

edwin diaz sure is nasty tho

[Devi8or]

Screenshot_20181129-172058_Twitter by JTJUNE2, on Flickr

[Hollywood42]

I really hope this doesn't become a trend this offseason... "Here's a trade that might happen with these guys".... "getting close, now with these guys".... "no seriously, getting close now, still might not happen tho"....

[lambeauleap87]

Lots of rumors with Indians starters out there, but I haven't seen anything that seems like it would be close to getting done.

[LCM1223]

At least McNeil would be out of the east

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by LCM1223

At least McNeil would be out of the east

He's not going anywhere.

Get it done Brodie!

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Lots of rumors with Indians starters out there, but I haven't seen anything that seems like it would be close to getting done.

That was nothing more then fishing. They were never going to trade any of those guys

[rman112]

Which is more likely?

Bumgarner trade (Houston fits)

Bumgarner extension

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rman112

Which is more likely?

Bumgarner trade (Houston fits)

Bumgarner extension

Has to be. HAS to be. San Francisco has no shot next year (unless they go out and do something crazy like sign Harper for 10 years).

Just a matter of when.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Has to be. HAS to be. San Francisco has no shot next year (unless they go out and do something crazy like sign Harper for 10 years).

Just a matter of when.

I'm interested to see what Houston's approach is. They have the young guys to get a trade done. Verlander's not going to be around forever. I see Keuchel gone for sure. Maybe Morton comes back if he doesn't get any big offers. They were linked to Paxton, and have heard them mentioned with Eovaldi and Corbin.