Ohtani Rookie Help - Page 3

NorCalSCM · 04-16-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CubKings

Hope they use a different pic in Series 2. No photoshop stuff, they should have actual game pics by now for series 2.

If history is an indicator and my memory serves me correct, the picture in Series 2 will be the same as the one from the Opening Day set.

NorCalSCM · 04-16-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCalSCM

If history is an indicator and my memory serves me correct, the picture in Series 2 will be the same as the one from the Opening Day set.

Here is an example of OD cards turning out in Series 2:

Opening Day
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-...5/123042465640

Series 2
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-...s/322585599320

CubKings · 04-16-2018, 07:37 PM

I have the OD card. I bought just one rack pack for the hell of it one day, and forgot all about Ohtani until it was one of the last cards in the pack haha I was pretty cool with that.

But that pic would be better than a photoshop.

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Originally Posted by NorCalSCM

Here is an example of OD cards turning out in Series 2:

Opening Day
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-...5/123042465640

Series 2
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-...s/322585599320

NorCalSCM · 04-16-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CubKings

I have the OD card. I bought just one rack pack for the hell of it one day, and forgot all about Ohtani until it was one of the last cards in the pack haha I was pretty cool with that.

But that pic would be better than a photoshop.

I think there is a good possibility in series 2 they will have a real photo. I hope so at least.

Chrisyork33 · 04-16-2018, 07:45 PM

Judge had two different photos from OD and Flagship

ThoseBackPages · 04-16-2018, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

Judge had two different photos from OD and Flagship

yep. and OD was the same as NYY Team Set

base set · 04-16-2018, 07:50 PM

There is no chance, in my opinion, that the Opening Day image will be re-used in Series 2. Topps can make some dumb moves on re-using images, but a decision like that would cut in to sales of S2.

A vast majority of images used in Opening Day re-appear in S2 in previous years. This year, most, but not all of the RC cards have unique images in Opening Day; several more than last year, when Judge had a unique card in Opening Day.

There is a chance the Team Set image will be re-used in Series 2, but I don't think it is a very high chance. Judge had a unique RC in the Team Set last year; that team set is still for sale for $9 as I type. I think it is probably pretty easy for Topps to produce Team Sets to match demand; they are probably all produced in team-specific quantities to start with. The most common change to a Team Set card vs. an S1/S2 card is when the S1/S2 card is a horizontal card, which are produced on their own sheet during production of S1/S2. But not always; horizontal cards do exist in the Team Sets though are not common.

Edit: Judge was unique in Team Set vs. S1 though not vs. Opening Day, as TBP pointed out.

tribefan26 · 04-16-2018, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stacks73

These prices dont make sense..I can see them fetching under the $5 you mentioned.. they arent SP and no one knows the print run, yet others are selling them by the 10s

We do know the print run - just north of 20,000 - they published it.

base set · 04-16-2018, 08:02 PM

It is rare but it fits in the production schedule for a Series 2 card to use a picture from Spring Training. This card comes to mind:

[IMG]

2013 Topps - [Base] #504 - Michael Bourn
Courtesy of COMC.com[/IMG]

salthill · 04-16-2018, 08:04 PM

If you buy into the vision for the Living Set (ie you think its potential will be realized) then I think that card will be the most valuable (by far). They’re very condition sensitive. They’re beautiful. They’re limited. They’re RCs etc

tlschwerz · 04-16-2018, 10:01 PM

I guess my goal isn't so much to flip as I've just really gravitated to how cool it is that he's doing something the game hasn't seen forever. I bought a team set and living set card today. I've packed and sold a handful of OD cards but don't like that it's a podium shot. Maybe I'll grab one of those too depending on what Series 2 and Update show us.

salthill · 04-17-2018, 01:47 AM

Even more so the Living Set card then. Great looking cards with ties to another era of the game.

houdini · 04-17-2018, 01:59 AM

I love the LS look and design, but here is my concern long term...

Most of us saw what happened with TN and so many, many flippers purchased hundreds of copies.

There are over 20k of these cards and I suspect most are being held. I think long term there are just too many copies. I cannot be the only person seeing 20k+ as the very opposite of a rare release.

I would be glad to be wrong and if he keeps up his current performance, 20k is definitely not enough. Realistically though I think 20k is too many and the card is probably peaking.

Again, just my instinct on the matter.

bobthewondercat · 04-17-2018, 02:55 AM

One thing is for sure, by the end of the year there will be a bazillion different RC issues.

I think sticking to products with a pedigree (flagship, heritage, chrome) is wise as products that come in and out of existence make less of an impression as a must-have RC...

Living set might do well if the concept catches on, it’s an early card # and perhaps its following grows over the years? You always gotta assume that Topps will find a way to screw up most things tho :/

ninjacookies · 04-17-2018, 03:54 AM

I think the biggest underlying point in all of this, is that if Shotime really does fulfill the prophecy this year...almost any one of his base cards will be viewed as cheap by today's standards.

Think Judgemania, except way more unique, with the added bonus of the japanese/asian collector base.

I'd estimate a little over half of my sales up til this point have been Japanese collectors (based off their last names, noracist).

I'm partial to the Heritage SP (though it's a bit spendy), but the LL is a very visually appealing card. Of course his 1st BC in an angels uni will probably command wild prices out the gate.

NorCalSCM · 04-17-2018, 03:42 PM

Too bad he isn’t a Yankee. That would be nuts.

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Mister2Bits · 04-17-2018, 04:42 PM

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Too bad he isn’t a Yankee. That would be nuts.

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It's already nuts with him as a Angel.

NorCalSCM · 04-17-2018, 05:20 PM

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It's already nuts with him as a Angel.

This is true

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Bcwcardz · 04-17-2018, 10:26 PM

Any thoughts on the Topps team release mini? I love the mini cards but I know some people hate them just as I hate oversized cards.

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ThoseBackPages · 04-17-2018, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

Any thoughts on the Topps team release mini? I love the mini cards but I know some people hate them just as I hate oversized cards.

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the cards are regular sized. "Mini" means small set in this case

Malsk · 04-18-2018, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by houdini

I love the LS look and design, but here is my concern long term...

Most of us saw what happened with TN and so many, many flippers purchased hundreds of copies.

There are over 20k of these cards and I suspect most are being held. I think long term there are just too many copies. I cannot be the only person seeing 20k+ as the very opposite of a rare release.

I would be glad to be wrong and if he keeps up his current performance, 20k is definitely not enough. Realistically though I think 20k is too many and the card is probably peaking.

Again, just my instinct on the matter.

I couldn't agree more.

If you flip now I think you can do alright since there is not that many Ohtani on the market. This time next year they should be plentiful as there will be sooo many Ohtani on the market by that time. This card is not SP by any stretch.

I would also be glad to be wrong, but just being realistic.

stacks73 · 04-19-2018, 04:32 PM

No way these hold Value....20k print run..what could a 20k print run card hold 15 years from now..even if he Pans out

stacks73 · 04-19-2018, 04:43 PM

$20 to $35 per Life RC will not hold value,,,unles he hits 80 HRs and finishes hie RC yr say 12 and 5

ThoseBackPages · 04-19-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stacks73

$20 to $35 per Life RC will not hold value,,,unles he hits 80 HRs and finishes hie RC yr say 12 and 5

sounds like you missed out on the $5 offering

spuds1961 · 04-19-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stacks73

No way these hold Value....20k print run..what could a 20k print run card hold 15 years from now..even if he Pans out

That's where grading comes in a psa 10 or bgs 9.5 will be a tough grade to receive from the living set so I think high grades could be valuable.

04-16-2018, 07:50 PM	#57
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,632	There is no chance, in my opinion, that the Opening Day image will be re-used in Series 2. Topps can make some dumb moves on re-using images, but a decision like that would cut in to sales of S2. A vast majority of images used in Opening Day re-appear in S2 in previous years. This year, most, but not all of the RC cards have unique images in Opening Day; several more than last year, when Judge had a unique card in Opening Day. There is a chance the Team Set image will be re-used in Series 2, but I don't think it is a very high chance. Judge had a unique RC in the Team Set last year; that team set is still for sale for $9 as I type. I think it is probably pretty easy for Topps to produce Team Sets to match demand; they are probably all produced in team-specific quantities to start with. The most common change to a Team Set card vs. an S1/S2 card is when the S1/S2 card is a horizontal card, which are produced on their own sheet during production of S1/S2. But not always; horizontal cards do exist in the Team Sets though are not common. Edit: Judge was unique in Team Set vs. S1 though not vs. Opening Day, as TBP pointed out. Last edited by base set; 04-16-2018 at 08:03 PM.

04-16-2018, 08:04 PM	#60
salthill Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 8,527 salthill	Ohtani Rookie Help If you buy into the vision for the Living Set (ie you think its potential will be realized) then I think that card will be the most valuable (by far). They’re very condition sensitive. They’re beautiful. They’re limited. They’re RCs etc Last edited by salthill; 04-16-2018 at 08:13 PM.

04-16-2018, 10:01 PM	#61
tlschwerz Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,319 offthebaggy	I guess my goal isn't so much to flip as I've just really gravitated to how cool it is that he's doing something the game hasn't seen forever. I bought a team set and living set card today. I've packed and sold a handful of OD cards but don't like that it's a podium shot. Maybe I'll grab one of those too depending on what Series 2 and Update show us. __________________ http://offthebaggy.blogspot.com/

04-17-2018, 01:59 AM	#63
houdini member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 81,458	I love the LS look and design, but here is my concern long term... Most of us saw what happened with TN and so many, many flippers purchased hundreds of copies. There are over 20k of these cards and I suspect most are being held. I think long term there are just too many copies. I cannot be the only person seeing 20k+ as the very opposite of a rare release. I would be glad to be wrong and if he keeps up his current performance, 20k is definitely not enough. Realistically though I think 20k is too many and the card is probably peaking. Again, just my instinct on the matter. __________________ Descanse mi princesita 9/20/00-4/16/15

04-17-2018, 02:55 AM	#64
bobthewondercat Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Reno / Tahoe Posts: 2,400 adam-benjamin bobthewondercat	One thing is for sure, by the end of the year there will be a bazillion different RC issues. I think sticking to products with a pedigree (flagship, heritage, chrome) is wise as products that come in and out of existence make less of an impression as a must-have RC... Living set might do well if the concept catches on, it’s an early card # and perhaps its following grows over the years? You always gotta assume that Topps will find a way to screw up most things tho :/ __________________ No Big Whoop

04-16-2018, 07:45 PM	#55
Chrisyork33 Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 2,470 Chrius_kskvk42sh Chrisyork33	Judge had two different photos from OD and Flagship

04-16-2018, 08:02 PM	#59
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,632	It is rare but it fits in the production schedule for a Series 2 card to use a picture from Spring Training. This card comes to mind: [IMG] 2013 Topps - [Base] #504 - Michael Bourn Courtesy of COMC.com[/IMG]

04-17-2018, 01:47 AM	#62
salthill Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 8,527 salthill	Even more so the Living Set card then. Great looking cards with ties to another era of the game.

04-17-2018, 03:54 AM	#65
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,297	I think the biggest underlying point in all of this, is that if Shotime really does fulfill the prophecy this year...almost any one of his base cards will be viewed as cheap by today's standards. Think Judgemania, except way more unique, with the added bonus of the japanese/asian collector base. I'd estimate a little over half of my sales up til this point have been Japanese collectors (based off their last names, noracist). I'm partial to the Heritage SP (though it's a bit spendy), but the LL is a very visually appealing card. Of course his 1st BC in an angels uni will probably command wild prices out the gate.

04-17-2018, 03:42 PM	#66
NorCalSCM Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Northern California Posts: 4,773 topps.now	Too bad he isn’t a Yankee. That would be nuts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ They will buy them and store them in their attics

04-17-2018, 10:26 PM	#69
Bcwcardz Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: West coast Posts: 1,395	Any thoughts on the Topps team release mini? I love the mini cards but I know some people hate them just as I hate oversized cards. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-19-2018, 04:32 PM	#72
stacks73 Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 146	No way these hold Value....20k print run..what could a 20k print run card hold 15 years from now..even if he Pans out

04-19-2018, 04:43 PM	#73
stacks73 Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 146	$20 to $35 per Life RC will not hold value,,,unles he hits 80 HRs and finishes hie RC yr say 12 and 5