2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I don't know what's worse, voting for someone that will most likely be pardoned BEFORE Inauguration Day, or that despite this the other candidate gives me just as much pause.

The only thing that can stop Hillary from becoming President and being pardoned (if necessary) is the American Public casting votes on November 8th. If she wins the election she has all of the cards and will slip the hook.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

oh don't worry man... they do this stuff on purpose. trying to make clinton look as bad as they possibly can.

this is hilarious. some emails or a truly terrible racist sexual assaulting person... which matters more?

Sigh......and the worst part is I'm not even a Democrat!

But it looks like one side is again trying to de-legitimize their opponent in the face of defeat. First it was, "You weren't even born in this country (despite having your birth certificate) so you're not a legitimate president and we don't have to accept your authority." Now it's, "You're a criminal (despite multiple bipartisan committees clearing you) so you're not a legitimate president and we don't have to accept your authority."

As an Independent, it's frustrating to watch.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You are quite possibly the most blinded person in this thread.

Carry on.

Easy now. He actually read the article. Unlike the person who shared it while leaving out the essential parts.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Easy now. He actually read the article. Unlike the person who shared it while leaving out the essential parts.

You must have forgotten the birther questions were initiated by the Clinton campaign, not Trump.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Sigh......and the worst part is I'm not even a Democrat!

But it looks like one side is again trying to de-legitimize their opponent in the face of defeat. First it was, "You weren't even born in this country (despite having your birth certificate) so you're not a legitimate president and we don't have to accept your authority." Now it's, "You're a criminal (despite multiple bipartisan committees clearing you) so you're not a legitimate president and we don't have to accept your authority."

As an Independent, it's frustrating to watch.

Hillary was not cleared on the emails by several non-partisans committees as you claim. This simply is not true. If you remember Comey went through a laundry list of what Hillary did in violation of the law (and common decency) and the he pivoted to state that no reasonable prosecutor would take the case.

You are spewing garbage....

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

You are spewing garbage....

It's his default setting.

[tke1600]

Again, Hillary Clinton is now under 2 separate active FBI criminal investigations. Please let that sink in before you post. There is a reason even Dems are jumping ship.

[TheFrenzy]

Isn't it crazy that it took our country almost 150 years to even allow women to vote? As in, it will be 2064 before our country will have allowed women to vote for as long as it prevented them from voting.

Not only did the first Americans write the founding documents without any provision for women to vote, but we then amended that document eighteen times before finally deciding to allow half of our adult population to fully participate in civic duty! It is unbelievable if you think about it.

And now the fact that we are possibly one week away from finally having a woman serve in the final male-only branch of government - well, it's something we should all be proud of as Americans.

Not saying they all will be, but they all should be to some degree. It's been 238 years, but American ideals are marching on!

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You must have forgotten the birther questions were initiated by the Clinton campaign, not Trump.

????

They began in 2004 in Illinois by a rival politician. There were some anonymous emails by Clinton supporters during her campaign around 2008, but the birther movement went nuclear when Trump and Breitbart.

I think you have some of the details mixed up.

EDIT: Andy Martin was the politician's name.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Hillary was not cleared on the emails by several non-partisans committees as you claim.

I'm sorry? What has she been charged with or convicted of?

EDIT: Oh...you thought my comment about multiple committees was strictly regarding the emails. No, I was also referring to Benghazi. The other boogeyman investigation.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Isn't it crazy that it took our country almost 150 years to even allow women to vote? As in, it will be 2064 before our country will have allowed women to vote for as long as it prevented them from voting.

Not only did the first Americans write the founding documents without any provision for women to vote, but we then amended that document eighteen times before finally deciding to allow half of our adult population to fully participate in civic duty! It is unbelievable if you think about it.

And now the fact that we are possibly one week away from finally having a woman serve in the final male-only branch of government - well, it's something we should all be proud of as Americans.

Not saying they all will be, but they all should be to some degree. It's been 238 years, but American ideals are marching on!

So Hillary should be elected just because she is a woman? Isn't that a form of discrimination implying Trump shouldn't be President because he is running against a woman?

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I'm sorry? What has she been charged with or convicted of?

EDIT: Oh...you thought my comment about multiple committees was strictly regarding the emails. No, I was also referring to Benghazi. The other boogeyman investigation.

That defense is really cute. Take another listen to Comey's full outline of all of the findings against Hillary an innocent person who destroyed all of the devices, deleted emails, used Bill to influence Loretta Lynch, had many of her staff plead the fifth...... do you want to tell me again that she is innocent?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tke1600

So Hillary should be elected just because she is a woman? Isn't that a form of discrimination implying Trump shouldn't be President because he is running against a woman?

You've certainly added a lot to my otherwise simple post.

If someone stating how long it took us to allow women to vote is enough to make one feel that men are being discriminated against........I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

Do we need a "safe space"? Was I not "politically correct" enough for the crowd?

It's been almost 250 years and we might have our first female president. That shouldn't make anyone feel threatened.

[mikestrick]

So Trump really is Putin's Puppet or worse.

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump | Mother Jones

"Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

That defense is really cute....... do you want to tell me again that she is innocent?

1. No really, what has she been charged with or convicted of?

2. I'm specifically not saying she's innocent or guilty. I'm specifically saying no one with actual authority has said she's guilty.

[37Jetson]

I am getting really curious as to what Hillary is hiding in her deleted emails? It must be something really damning against her. Too bad she will skate and get elected.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You've certainly added a lot to my otherwise simple post.

If someone stating how long it took us to allow women to vote is enough to make one feel that men are being discriminated against........I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

Do we need a "safe space"? Was I not "politically correct" enough for the crowd?

It's been almost 250 years and we might have our first female president. That shouldn't make anyone feel threatened.

You're the one that formed your statement that women were oppressed by not being able to vote and how we should be proud if Hillary is elected because she is a woman. I brought up the fact that if gender is the main reason some think she should be president, that is using a non-qualifying reason to qualify someone over someone else.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I am getting really curious as to what Hillary is hiding in her deleted emails?

Probably receipts for a bunch of Beats headphones. I heard her codename for Obama was "Haiku".

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by mikestrick

So Trump really is Putin's Puppet or worse.

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump | Mother Jones

"Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

Already debunked by none other than the Pro Trump NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us...ald-trump.html

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tke1600

You're the one that formed your statement that women were oppressed by not being able to vote and how we should be proud if Hillary is elected because she is a woman.

I assume you're agreeing with this part. It seems self-evident.

Originally Posted by tke1600

I brought up the fact that if gender is the main reason some think she should be president, that is using a non-qualifying reason to qualify someone over someone else.

Here you've added something. My post did not say main reason. It did not say it was a reason to vote for her at all. It simply acknowledged the current situation in which she is the favorite and how, in the context of our country's history, such a situation should be cause for at least some degree of pride.

[Nyfancam01]

i really can't believe people are taking donald trump of people serious for PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY. are you guys serious?

He would be the worst president of all time. UNFIT! ! !

Vote for the only person who actually makes sense. the only person who would actually know how to do the job!

[ntgm37]

Originally Posted by mikestrick

So Trump really is Putin's Puppet or worse.

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump | Mother Jones

"Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

Oh man. Wow. WOW. I mean, what? Now we have officially started to reach.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

1. No really, what has she been charged with or convicted of?

2. I'm specifically not saying she's innocent or guilty. I'm specifically saying no one with actual authority has said she's guilty.

My guess is that the interference by Obama/Clinton in Comey's July decision will be documented in historical texts and still will not make a hill of beans difference to Hillary being elected President.

I will again ask you to watch the Comey video outlining all of the findings against Hillary relating to emails. If you have any intellectual honesty you will change your smug comments like "what has she been charged with".

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I assume you're agreeing with this part. It seems self-evident.



Here you've added something. My post did not say main reason. It did not say it was a reason to vote for her at all. It simply acknowledged the current situation in which she is the favorite and how, in the context of our country's history, such a situation should be cause for at least some degree of pride.

I don't agree at all. I don't base decisions on race or gender for anything. It's how someone acts and how their decisions will effect me in the case of electing a President. It sounds like you haven't even read into the Wikileaks or FBI cases, or if you have you are choosing to just not care. That is fine, but it doesn't help others trying to make an informed decision.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

this is hilarious. some emails or a truly terrible racist sexual assaulting person... which matters more?

So you're asking which Clinton is worse......right?