2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

perhaps if we reduced our military budget by the smallest of margins (by just eliminating wasteful contracts, not cutting soldiers' benefits or anything), "handout" programs would be well funded.



but, your taxes shouldn't change if Clinton wins and gets her way unless you as a family make more than 250k.

Nothing personal but, I believe that about as much as:

If you like your doctor you can keep him.
If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Nothing personal but, I believe that about as much as:

If you like your doctor you can keep him.
If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

that's definitely fair.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I would love to see Obamacare completely dismantled. Heck, I would even consider a Canadian system, but we cannot trust our politicians to do the right thing for the people versus lining their own pockets, lining the pockets of their donors, using the plan for evil social engineering, etc.

It is disgusting what Obamacare has done to the working families of America.

This summarizes my feelings. Single payer is great in theory, even somewhat in practice, but it would never work in America. We're too corrupt.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

single payer would certainly give the government the weight it needs to negotiate down prices and costs.

It may give them the weight to do so, but are there any examples in other areas where are government has proven the ability to actually do it? Not snark, genuinely curious.

Politicians seemingly ruin things as a hobby. I would rather have a profit driven system, than one driven by politics. At least its more predictable.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Onions

It may give them the weight to do so, but are there any examples in other areas where are government has proven the ability to actually do it? Not snark, genuinely curious.

Politicians seemingly ruin things as a hobby. I would rather have a profit driven system, than one driven by politics. At least its more predictable.

[timber09]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Does this statement hold true to the US Military as well?

Just once I would like to see people who are for smaller government slash and burn military spending to the same extent as everything else. At least show some consistency in this stance.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by timber09

Does this statement hold true to the US Military as well?

Just once I would like to see people who are for smaller government slash and burn military spending to the same extent as everything else. At least show some consistency in this stance.

A couple of things... Smaller government doesn't mean no government. The purpose of government is to do for the people that which they can't reasonably do for themselves. Forming a military is one of those things. Building and maintaining roads is another. Things we don't need the government include telling us we must purchase insurance or be fined, telling us we must buckle our seatbelts or be fined, telling us we must teach all of our children the exact same content regardless of their individual level of competency, handing over billions of dollars to foreign countries just because we're nice, etc.

As for the statement and its application to the military specifically, yes, absolutely it applies. There are plenty of examples of government failing when it comes to the military. Overspending on special interest contractors, poking our military's noses in places it doesn't belong, not providing much needed reinforcements to an embassy, etc.

[preakness]

I'm not a Clinton fan

[swise0121]

A feminist porn star accusing Trump of sexual assault. That's rich. You're a professional jizz jar. Can you say attention whore? Talk about desperation

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

single payer would certainly give the government the weight it needs to negotiate down prices and costs.

You are willing to entrust the government crooks to fix this? We could have easily paid premiums for the uninsured without totally destroying the cost of insurance for the average working family while all of the companies/entities that bought off our legislators get filthy rich. There seems to be very little intellectual honesty on the left to see this glaring problem.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

A couple of things... Smaller government doesn't mean no government. The purpose of government is to do for the people that which they can't reasonably do for themselves. Forming a military is one of those things. Building and maintaining roads is another. Things we don't need the government include telling us we must purchase insurance or be fined, telling us we must buckle our seatbelts or be fined, telling us we must teach all of our children the exact same content regardless of their individual level of competency, handing over billions of dollars to foreign countries just because we're nice, etc.

As for the statement and its application to the military specifically, yes, absolutely it applies. There are plenty of examples of government failing when it comes to the military. Overspending on special interest contractors, poking our military's noses in places it doesn't belong, not providing much needed reinforcements to an embassy, etc.

I kind of disagree. I think it's important that the government fine certain behaviors that have been proven to be detrimental to the greater good of society. Buckling your seat belt saves lives. You can drive without but be prepared to get a ticket if caught. Driving is a privilege not a right.

I think fining people for not having health insurance is also a benefit to society. We pay for those who are not insured whether we like it or not. Getting more people insured not only gives that person the benefit of having coverage, it gives benefits to hospitals, people who use the hospital system, and society in general.

Does the government sometimes spend tax money unwisely? I'd say sometimes is an understatement. I've never had an issue with paying taxes. I understand the great benefit that the money goes to and that the majority of it is spent in the way it is intended. Heck, if the government at each level could prove that it's spending the money they have wisely, I'd be okay with paying more if it meant more benefit.

I agree that sometimes the government oversteps it's bounds. Kind of like when the GOP released their official platform which included calling pornography a public health crisis, renewing the push to keep marijuana illegal, not softening up on abortion, and standing put on being against gay rights. The Democrats can be just as awful with the policing of words and thoughts. The labeling of people based off of one misstep. Both parties are guilty of getting involved in things that really do not concern them.

[phosgene]

11th trump accuser saturday
in a speech today (timing?) trump said all the accusations were false
he may want to reconsider
trump supporters love him because he is "so alpha"
he may just want to admit to banging this one...


name is jessica drake. you have to turn safe search on to see her with clothes on any image search.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

single payer would certainly give the government the weight it needs to negotiate down prices and costs.

Single payer is scary for doctors and hospital systems though. It's like Wal-Mart in how they are so large that they can tell their suppliers what they will pay. Smaller suppliers who operate on thin margins already can see their profits either sink further or risk not being carried on store shelves. Same goes for doctors. They come out of school with mountains of debt. What scares me is if they start to see salaries fall due to aggressive negotiations, you might see a pipeline that is already running thin, dry up altogether in medical schools.

Single payer is good in theory but in practice, it scares me.

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

all the people that suffered hurricane damage and got wiped out must be terrified! all those subsidized loans and government aid must have them in a full panic.

the people of flint michigan are terrified too. they tell the federal government, "stay away! our state government has everything sooooo handled! we trust them IMPLICITLY!"

it's strange how republicans want powerful positions in the government when they don't believe in government in the first place. it's like having a doctor who is a christian scientist.

although there are always republicans like bush 43 that run on small government, then expand it massively. amazing hypocrisy from the party. it would be like a democrat closing down the departments of education, agriculture, HUD, transportation and commerce.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by phosgene

all the people that suffered hurricane damage and got wiped out must be terrified! all those subsidized loans and government aid must have the in a full panic.

the people of flint michigan are terrified too. they tell the federal government, "stay away! our state government has everything sooooo handled! we trust them IMPLICITLY!"

it's strange how republicans want powerful positions in the government when they don't believe in government in the first place. it's like having a doctor who is a christian scientist.

although there are always republicans like bush 43 that run on small government, then expand it massively. amazing hypocrisy from the party. it would be like a democrat closing down the departments of education, agriculture, HUD, transportation and commerce.

I agree. We should elect a true conservative.

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Single payer is scary for doctors and hospital systems though. It's like Wal-Mart in how they are so large that they can tell their suppliers what they will pay. Smaller suppliers who operate on thin margins already can see their profits either sink further or risk not being carried on store shelves. Same goes for doctors. They come out of school with mountains of debt. What scares me is if they start to see salaries fall due to aggressive negotiations, you might see a pipeline that is already running thin, dry up altogether in medical schools.

Single payer is good in theory but in practice, it scares me.

in practice it works, and it's pretty well documented. i mean, how much more data do you need to see to determine that the way we finance healthcare is about the stupidest way possible?

and on a site where getting people to pay even 90% of "ebay prices" for something they love is like pulling teeth, those same people shell out tons more for prescription drugs than just about any other nation's citizens.

republicans constantly harp buying insurance across state lines, then SHUT DOWN any effort to make importing cheaper drugs from canada because they are owned by the pharmaceutical lobby, just like they are owned by the gun lobby, just like they are owned tobacco lobby.

wow, what a trio. add up deaths from adverse drug reactions, gun deaths and tobacco related illness and it appears that the gop is an efficient killing machine!

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by Onions

I agree. We should elect a true conservative.

i would love to see the "true conservative" that refused to sign off on declaring a disaster area after a devastating natural disaster.

instant lame duck. not hard to understand why a "true conservative" never gets nominated let alone elected.

all the moaning the republicans have done about "conservatism" and when it came down to it, they nominated the biggest RINO of the bunch. they just couldn't resist the siren song of "the wall".

[tke1600]

This is a good article about how well Nate Silver has predicted Trump so far. I think all Hillary supporters rely on 538 to avoid the panic they feel when they see 25,000 people at a Trump rally and 34 people at a Hillary rally.

7 Times Nate Silver Was Hilariously Wrong About Donald Trump | The Daily Caller

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by Onions

It may give them the weight to do so, but are there any examples in other areas where are government has proven the ability to actually do it? Not snark, genuinely curious.

Politicians seemingly ruin things as a hobby. I would rather have a profit driven system, than one driven by politics. At least its more predictable.

um, medicare? you don't see the gray panthers out protesting medicare do you? old people vote, so if medicare was really not working for people, there would be a bipartisan effort to bend over backwards and fix it.

[houdini]

I am thinking about taking this thread down.

I am concerned that some members are just going to be completely blindsided by this election. I don't think the anything else really matter to them at all.

If their candidate doesn't win, I am not sure they can stay safe.

I know some of you are probably chuckling right now, but I am being sincere. I don't want to see where some people are going to end up.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by houdini

I am thinking about taking this thread down.

I am concerned that some members are just going to be completely blindsided by this election. I don't think the anything else really matter to them at all.

If their candidate doesn't win, I am not sure they can stay safe.

I know some of you are probably chuckling right now, but I am being sincere. I don't want to see where some people are going to end up.

Could always just wait until the 8th

This thread has been proof that, with a few exceptions, mature adults with opposing views can have mature conversations. I think everyone knows Clinton has this in the bag. I can't see any Trump supporters being genuinely surprised about that.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by houdini

I am thinking about taking this thread down.

I am concerned that some members are just going to be completely blindsided by this election. I don't think the anything else really matter to them at all.

If their candidate doesn't win, I am not sure they can stay safe.

I know some of you are probably chuckling right now, but I am being sincere. I don't want to see where some people are going to end up.

I'm with you Houdini. I think some people are way to invested in this and are going to not only be let down, but blown away. I think, not just here, but across the country, people are going to be at each other's throats even more than ever. I am genuinely concerned about what is going to happen in the next four years.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by houdini

I am thinking about taking this thread down.

I am concerned that some members are just going to be completely blindsided by this election. I don't think the anything else really matter to them at all.

If their candidate doesn't win, I am not sure they can stay safe.

I know some of you are probably chuckling right now, but I am being sincere. I don't want to see where some people are going to end up.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by houdini

I am thinking about taking this thread down.

I am concerned that some members are just going to be completely blindsided by this election. I don't think the anything else really matter to them at all.

If their candidate doesn't win, I am not sure they can stay safe.

I know some of you are probably chuckling right now, but I am being sincere. I don't want to see where some people are going to end up.

Do you realize that I actually started chuckling before reading your last line about chuckling?

Quite the prediction! Perhaps you should tell me who's gonna win because while my mind says Clinton does have it in the bag (As Calc said above); I also see tens of thousands of people at Trump rallies everyday in cities across all swing states. Perhaps I should be praying for a little rain and wind in Florida on election day to keep the uninspired home and dry?

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

You are willing to entrust the government crooks to fix this? We could have easily paid premiums for the uninsured without totally destroying the cost of insurance for the average working family while all of the companies/entities that bought off our legislators get filthy rich. There seems to be very little intellectual honesty on the left to see this glaring problem.

oh please. if it is so easy, why didn't it happen? we had 20 years of republican administrations between 1980-2008 as well as some significant republican majorites in congress during this period. did they ever lift a finger beyond "medical savings accounts"? no. a program to help rich people with their medical bills. oh great, just what the nation needed.

and during this 1980-2008 span, what happened to insurance costs and the rate of uninsured? up and up.

the best idea the republicans have ever had for health care was the alternative they proposed to hillary's plan in the 90s. of course hillary's plan failed nationally and the republican counter proposal went nowhere, but it then got passed in massachusetts with the signature of republican mitt romney. then when the democrats (if you look at the long view) completely capitulated and said, in essence, "fine, let's do your plan" what was the response? "aw HELL no".

the republicans can't keep their story straight for even 10 years. that's why reagan used to be a god, but now he's just "that amnesty guy".