2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Anyone else watch Obama defend the ACA today?

You mean the guy that compared his Affordable Care Act to a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 that explodes.

Yea.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

There would be a copy on both servers. Joe@yahoo to joe@Google. Google and yahoo both host mail servers.

I understand that. My question is if Hillary's Bleach was able to remove them from both servers. If not I want to see John Podesta's server downloaded.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

Voters register prior to the election, which establishes identity. Your list of examples require on the spot identity establishment. The argument behind new voter ID laws is specious in nature, and has been proposed to remedy a nonexistent problem.

Why are you in favor of photo ID laws?

to stop the 4 cases of voter fraud from 2012 from repeating, of course. FOUR!

Originally Posted by Athey49

Count me as a fan of Warren. Two completely different "rigged" examples. First is saying Congress has rigged it so the wealthy aren't paying their share. Never said the election in itself is rigged

yep.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Acquiring an ID is difficult? And here I thought it was just $25 and a trip to the MVA.

well, it's easy for most people that have their own transportation or some other form of transportation they can use (family member).


i know this link is WaPo and that's "liberal", but they lay out some issues people have getting IDs. before you say something like "but those issues affect such a SMALL percentage of people", i will remind you that there was something like 4 cases of voter fraud in 2012. 4.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...972_story.html

1. one dude had his last name changed by his mother when she remarried, and cannot get a new ID because he cannot find the form in the archives. extrapolate this for any person that had some type of name change but did not keep their copy of the forms that came with it. The guy in this case would have to pay 250 in legal fees just to get access to the archives to search.

2. have a spelling error on your birth certificate? tough #@#@#@#@. Unless you have enough money to lawyer up for them to prove the clerical error on your behalf.

3. were you born in a home rather than a hospital and/or cannot find your birth certificate? tough #@#@#@#@. (I have no idea where my birth certificate is tbh).

4. born before birth records were stored on a computer? Better hope you live close to where you were born so you can go to that county clerk's office to find a copy of your birth certificate. Oh, and this probably isn't free either.

5. Maybe it's easier to just change your name legally if there is an error on your birth certificate, right? Maybe if you have money (at least 300 bucks for all the background checks and fees), and time/transportation for repeated trips to the government offices to do this.

6. Live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to miss a shift in order to make the trip to the proper offices? tough #@#@#@#@. Again, if you can't drive yourself or get a ride from a friend, then add tons of time to this while you map out the public transportation lines to get where you need to go.


Not in the article, but once Alabama enacted voter ID laws, they immediately closed many of the BMV branches is the poorer areas with predominantly black populations. Tell me that's not politically motivated to make it harder for these people to get transportation to an area with one of the few remaining open branches.


another WaPo article about other difficulties: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...or-dont-drive/


1. have an expired ID- tough #@#@#@#@ get a new one.

2. voted in previous elections without an ID and never needed one? Tough #@#@#@#@- this time you can't vote.

3. The office run out of IDs? come back another day, sir or madam. (I didn't know this was even possible).

4. Poll workers don't know that you can vote provisional or get an absentee ballot? Looks like you don't get to vote.


keep in mind, both articles take place in Texas, and the various voter ID laws in other states might be a bit more lax. Still these are what I would call unnecessary obstacles for people that are poor, ill, or old that stops them from exercising their civic duty.

Now, if people are so afraid of fraud, perhaps the poll results should have an "unofficial" result pending confirmation (like horse racing).

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I understand that. My question is if Hillary's Bleach was able to remove them from both servers. If not I want to see John Podesta's server downloaded.

No it would only be her server that was bleached. They just bleached the hard drives storing the data. Podesta uses gmail. So they would be stored somewhere by google.

[trixstar]

Seems like a pretty critical time for your national political director to step back from the campaign.

Trump national political director 'steps back' from campaign - POLITICO

[trixstar]

Did anyone mention today's news of the Trump foundation funding O'Keefe?

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Did anyone mention today's news of the Trump foundation funding O'Keefe?

While this would not surprise me you have to wonder why a major news organization has not picked up this issue.

[swise0121]

Why would Trump funding him be a problem?

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Did anyone mention today's news of the Trump foundation funding O'Keefe?

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

While this would not surprise me you have to wonder why a major news organization has not picked up this issue.

I don't even know where to begin here.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

While this would not surprise me you have to wonder why a major news organization has not picked up this issue.

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I don't even know where to begin here.

Well it's why I asked instead of just posting some links to see if anyone had heard or talked about it. This is all I've read, its a 10k dollar donation made back in 2015 to Project Veritas.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-fund...4b6#.pilxg6mwj

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

to stop the 4 cases of voter fraud from 2012 from repeating, of course. FOUR!




yep.



well, it's easy for most people that have their own transportation or some other form of transportation they can use (family member).


i know this link is WaPo and that's "liberal", but they lay out some issues people have getting IDs. before you say something like "but those issues affect such a SMALL percentage of people", i will remind you that there was something like 4 cases of voter fraud in 2012. 4.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...972_story.html

1. one dude had his last name changed by his mother when she remarried, and cannot get a new ID because he cannot find the form in the archives. extrapolate this for any person that had some type of name change but did not keep their copy of the forms that came with it. The guy in this case would have to pay 250 in legal fees just to get access to the archives to search.

2. have a spelling error on your birth certificate? tough #@#@#@#@. Unless you have enough money to lawyer up for them to prove the clerical error on your behalf.

3. were you born in a home rather than a hospital and/or cannot find your birth certificate? tough #@#@#@#@. (I have no idea where my birth certificate is tbh).

4. born before birth records were stored on a computer? Better hope you live close to where you were born so you can go to that county clerk's office to find a copy of your birth certificate. Oh, and this probably isn't free either.

5. Maybe it's easier to just change your name legally if there is an error on your birth certificate, right? Maybe if you have money (at least 300 bucks for all the background checks and fees), and time/transportation for repeated trips to the government offices to do this.

6. Live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to miss a shift in order to make the trip to the proper offices? tough #@#@#@#@. Again, if you can't drive yourself or get a ride from a friend, then add tons of time to this while you map out the public transportation lines to get where you need to go.


Not in the article, but once Alabama enacted voter ID laws, they immediately closed many of the BMV branches is the poorer areas with predominantly black populations. Tell me that's not politically motivated to make it harder for these people to get transportation to an area with one of the few remaining open branches.


another WaPo article about other difficulties: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...or-dont-drive/


1. have an expired ID- tough #@#@#@#@ get a new one.

2. voted in previous elections without an ID and never needed one? Tough #@#@#@#@- this time you can't vote.

3. The office run out of IDs? come back another day, sir or madam. (I didn't know this was even possible).

4. Poll workers don't know that you can vote provisional or get an absentee ballot? Looks like you don't get to vote.


keep in mind, both articles take place in Texas, and the various voter ID laws in other states might be a bit more lax. Still these are what I would call unnecessary obstacles for people that are poor, ill, or old that stops them from exercising their civic duty.

Now, if people are so afraid of fraud, perhaps the poll results should have an "unofficial" result pending confirmation (like horse racing).

I find your stance odd considering there was voter fraud in your very own county last time. A liberal African American poll worker voting as her relatives living and dead.

You wouldnt want to risk someone tipping the elections where you vote, would you? Or is it not a big deal since they vote the same as you?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by swise0121

Why would Trump funding him be a problem?

It isn't and the reason the media likely keeps it on the DL is because the more they bring it up, the more they have to talk about the actual videos.

The payment shows before Trump declared his presidency, and the videos were filmed just four weeks ago. So unless Trump had the idea back in May of '15 that he would one day rely on O'Keefe to create a fake video like this to discredit Clinton and her campaign ... it's nothing.

Or, it's simply a $10,000 donation to someone on the right slant.

[GOWIFB]

The look of a man that 'won' the debate. Not sure how to embed

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/...20554309521408

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

The moment you realize it's over

https://twitter.com/thefix/status/789090575249125376

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

The look of a man that 'won' the debate. Not sure how to embed

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/...20554309521408

Anybody else?

[swise0121]

Hey at least he shows emotion. Unlike the cyborg

[trixstar]

Anyone watching this Al Smith dinner?

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Anybody else?

lol I completely missed that post. Oh well, double the fun

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Anyone watching this Al Smith dinner?

Clinton is killing it. Absolutely killing it. I laughed very hard at some of 'em.

[phosgene]

Originally Posted by Athey49

Count me as a fan of Warren. Two completely different "rigged" examples. First is saying Congress has rigged it so the wealthy aren't paying their share. Never said the election in itself is rigged

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

stunning how someone could read these two tweets and not discern the different meanings.

with regard to voter id: of course it sounds super reasonable. that is just a cover, however, for helping to suppress the democratic vote. stuffing ballot boxes has been a concern for decades if not longer. people think the mafia delivered illinois for kennedy in 1960 with fraudulent votes. it was only when the country elected a non-white democrat that the republican party, unilaterally, said, "whoa! we've got a yuuuuge problem with voter fraud!" and of course the evidence for widespread voter fraud is very flimsy. no matter...

and in north carolina, the republican lawmakers designed the voter id law to suppress the black vote. they were nailed DEAD TO RIGHTS on it. not even arguable. that's why the court overturned their law.

unlike research to help prevent gun deaths, congress and federal agencies are actually free to research the subject of voter fraud. talk about rigging. gop grant gun makers product liability immunity and then ban the govt from researching or gathering data to help reduce gun deaths. where is THAT in the 2nd amendment?
/rant

[xbignick]

[houdini]

Originally Posted by xbignick

This tweet is probably more exciting than what they actually have

...but I don't really like the Brazile woman at all so I am still hoping.

[jarrodsalas]

So how about Trump roasting Hillary tonight at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial dinner? Forget the debates. And she was sitting 5 feet away laughing the entire time.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

So how about Trump roasting Hillary tonight at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial dinner? Forget the debates. And she was sitting 5 feet away laughing the entire time.

Maria Bartiromo

[quackhead]

What if the bad hombres were puppets??

[xbignick]

His whole life flashing before him or something haha.

http://i.imgur.com/GbQ5PDc.mp4