2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here - Page 377

Devi8or · 10-19-2016, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Big time, not big league. I appreciate the try though.

Haha I'm just messing with you... I think he used the term bigly lol

BoxBreaker72 · 10-19-2016, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devi8or

Haha I'm just messing with you... I think he used the term bigly lol

haha you could be right. I have heard him say it both ways.

timber09 · 10-19-2016, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Hell, Trump could have swamped her had he just shut the hell up SOMETIMES.

He never got out of his own way. When he would have her on the ropes, he would say some outrageous stuff and then the 24/7 coverage would bury him.

I promise everyone voting for Clinton that they will regret their vote in 3 years because on actual policy he blows her away on the issues voters are most concerned about.

He lost the personality vote. This was an election based on who is the worst PERSON. And it's a shame because all of us are about to lose big time.

I will vote for Hillary but I believe in her platform and policy much more than I believe in Trump. But I wish they would have spent more time discussing.

My personal opinion is that reasonable people can agree that the answers generally lie somewhere in the middle and that divisive policy language and behavior kills good government. My buddy is a Rush Limbaugh touting New York Catholic conservative but , as I told him during one of our many discussions, a healthy Republican party and a healthy Democratic party is what the US needs to get to the middle ground somewhere.

In the end, I don't believe either one of these candidates will be able to work across the aisle to really get anything done that will benefit the bulk of Americans. And that is what we need - we need a moderator or an arbitrator - someone that can bring everyone together instead of dividing everyone on political lines.

BoxBreaker72 · 10-19-2016, 10:03 PM

Now all the coverage is all about Trump saying he won't accept the results.

Nothing on the actual issues discussed. When people go to bed they will show some highlights of substance of coarse.

BoxBreaker72 · 10-19-2016, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timber09

I will vote for Hillary but I believe in her platform and policy much more than I believe in Trump. But I wish they would have spent more time discussing.

My personal opinion is that reasonable people can agree that the answers generally lie somewhere in the middle and that divisive policy language and behavior kills good government. My buddy is a Rush Limbaugh touting New York Catholic conservative but , as I told him during one of our many discussions, a healthy Republican party and a healthy Democratic party is what the US needs to get to the middle ground somewhere.

In the end, I don't believe either one of these candidates will be able to work across the aisle to really get anything done that will benefit the bulk of Americans. And that is what we need - we need a moderator or an arbitrator - someone that can bring everyone together instead of dividing everyone on political lines.

That's a very fair response and I respect it 100%.

Her policies on immigration and national security scare me beyond belief. I also have no hope that she will stand up and create jobs.

It will be more Obama with a decent shot at WW3 IMO. She does not like Putin and her constantly going back to Russia on everything is very odd.

Hey, I hope you're right and she's just another shill in the long line of shills that have been president. My instincts tell me there is something much worse about her though. Just my gut feeling.

NeedChapmans · 10-19-2016, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Now all the coverage is all about Trump saying he won't accept the results.

Nothing on the actual issues discussed. When people go to bed they will show some highlights of substance of coarse.

Well of course it is; this is what the media does.

But back to the debate and the general election; to cast a vote for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is not to cast a vote for them. It's a vote for what they each represent (their ideology, their policy, their platform). Everyone in this forum can admit these are two people that you look at and thing "Ugh" for different reasons.

It's a very safe bet that Clinton as president would increase taxes, increase government, increase debt, increase regulation and increase immigrant population #'s. It's a very safe bet that Trump is the exact opposite, minus decreasing the debt (at least initially, his plan will shoot it up quickly).

Setting aside the obvious awfulness of these two human beings, which platform do you agree w/ more? At every turn, Clinton says one thing to group A, then a different thing to group B and Trump can't stop insulting people because of their looks, their weight, whatever. Which ideological platform do you feel is better for this county, over the next four years?

phosgene · 10-19-2016, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Now all the coverage is all about Trump saying he won't accept the results.

Nothing on the actual issues discussed. When people go to bed they will show some highlights of substance of coarse.

well, when you take a dump on stage like that, it IS going to come up. how can you not expect that to overshadow much of what went on? and if they didn't talk about that comment, they'd be talking about "such a nasty woman" so maybe he helped himself with that flashbang grenade of a response.

some have said trump is not a good debater. he's not bad and has improved noticibly. the problem is he doesn't know anything about the issues that will actually confront the next president.

it's not just debates, trump isn't good at giving more than 30 seconds of detail about even the issues he likes to talk about. he has to avoid speaking in depth on all topics in an unrestricted forum, like a debate or an interview. by and large, he has done that. sean hannity won't ask him any tough questions. doubt he will leave the safe confines of fox in the next 3 weeks.

timber09 · 10-19-2016, 10:18 PM

My hope is that Bill shows her the way to some degree on the political front.

He pissed off a lot of liberals along the way but he was actually able to get some things done during his time in the White House - and not just by strong arming people to get what he wanted. I have no idea if that will or even can happen but it is my hope.

She may not be able/willing to negotiate with Republicans and I assume there will be many that are obstructionists along the way as well. Trump would face similar issues if he were in office, I just don't see him and his ego allowing him to compromise at all - and I believe compromise to be the true advantage our political system has over others.

When we work together we can achieve a hell of a lot. Too bad it usually takes some sort of war or natural disaster for folks to get along and figure out they are on the same team.

trixstar · 10-19-2016, 10:34 PM

CNN Instant Debate Poll of Debate Watchers:
Clinton: 52
Trump: 39

ArsonCuff · 10-19-2016, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phosgene

wallace did the best job of anybody moderating by far.

that wasn't Dana Carvey doing a character?

phosgene · 10-19-2016, 10:35 PM

pence is the big winner tonight. pence is the anna nicole smith of the republican party. married a rich old dude with terminal cancer. for a little while had to do some really repulsive stuff, but eventually inherited it all. pence will be seen as a top tier candidate in the next cycle now.

trixstar · 10-19-2016, 10:37 PM

AP Fact check

AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Clinton and their debate claims

Clarka3 · 10-19-2016, 10:46 PM

The moderator tonight was the best of the 3. I felt that he held both candidates' feet to the fire with pointed questions.

Clinton won hands down. Anybody saying otherwise is in la la land.

calculusdork · 10-19-2016, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phosgene

pence is the big winner tonight. pence is the anna nicole smith of the republican party. married a rich old dude with terminal cancer. for a little while had to do some really repulsive stuff, but eventually inherited it all. pence will be seen as a top tier candidate in the next cycle now.

I laughed so hard at this. I'm really sad that I laughed but I did.

techtre2003 · 10-19-2016, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarka3

The moderator tonight was the best of the 3. I felt that he held both candidates' feet to the fire with pointed questions.

Clinton won hands down. Anybody saying otherwise is in la la land.

I agree with you on the moderator.
I must be in la la land though. I think Clinton did a fine job with her rehearsed answers, but for me, Trump had the edge.
To be fair, I hate Hillary with a passion and would never vote for her. However, I haven't been impressed with Trump at all either and have been planning on voting Johnson. Tonight has me considering voting for Trump. Really doesn't matter either way as I live in Illinois

NeedChapmans · 10-19-2016, 11:09 PM

If you've got 9 minutes, watch how much of an asset Megyn Kelly could have been for the Trump campaign this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mla...&feature=share

Donna was crushed.

jj2 · 10-19-2016, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phosgene

pence is the big winner tonight. pence is the anna nicole smith of the republican party. married a rich old dude with terminal cancer. for a little while had to do some really repulsive stuff, but eventually inherited it all. pence will be seen as a top tier candidate in the next cycle now.

Devi8or · 10-19-2016, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I agree with you on the moderator.
I must be in la la land though. I think Clinton did a fine job with her rehearsed answers, but for me, Trump had the edge.
To be fair, I hate Hillary with a passion and would never vote for her. However, I haven't been impressed with Trump at all either and have been planning on voting Johnson. Tonight has me considering voting for Trump. Really doesn't matter either way as I live in Illinois

Just curious, what did Trump say today that would even remotely move you in his direction? Not an attacking question, just curious

tacoma34 · 10-19-2016, 11:15 PM

Giuliani and even Hannity that spout nothing but praise for Trump really aren't doing him any favors. Many Americans wanna hear from the more neutral opinions and just roll their eyes when they see the blatant bias. It's really not a good look and just gives the CNN vibe. Oreilly and Kelly are the only ones worth listening to on Fox.

Devi8or · 10-19-2016, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Giuliani and even Hannity that spout nothing but praise for Trump really aren't doing him any favors. Many Americans wanna hear from the more neutral opinions and just roll their eyes when they see the blatant bias. It's really not a good look and just gives the CNN vibe. Oreilly and Kelly are the only ones worth listening to on Fox.

Its like listening to them interview the campaign managers after the debate....of course their person won lol

trixstar · 10-19-2016, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you've got 9 minutes, watch how much of an asset Megyn Kelly could have been for the Trump campaign this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mla...&feature=share

Donna was crushed.

Yea I was watching that it was an evisceration

tke1600 · 10-19-2016, 11:24 PM

The actual debate didn't do much to help any candidate imo but go look at Twitter. "The Clinton Foundation" is blowing up because so many people didn't realize how bad it is and are learning facts about the pay to play and the ties to the Middle East for maybe the first time. This wasn't really brought up before and more people will see some of the bold face lies Clinton tells to try and hide her corruption. It's "the Russians" isn't go to work forever for her.

NeedChapmans · 10-19-2016, 11:31 PM

Three very clear debate winners tonight ...

Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly, and FOX news. Generally you can see the reaction online about a moderator be mostly negative (because that's what trolls do) but it's actually very hard to find anyone suggest Wallace wasn't terrific. Then Megyn w/ her post debate interview of Brazile was extraordinary; and both anchors of Fox News who already boast the best ratings of anyone.

First time ever someone from FOX News moderated a general election debate, I think it's going to be an every year occurrence now.

tke1600 · 10-19-2016, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If you've got 9 minutes, watch how much of an asset Megyn Kelly could have been for the Trump campaign this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mla...&feature=share

Donna was crushed.

I just wonder why she'd didn't get canned as the DNC chair right away. Now it will just get worse and worse as she stays on and gives a nonsensical answer every time she gets asked about the town hall scheme.

tacoma34 · 10-19-2016, 11:39 PM

Clinton criticized Trump for getting cheaper materials outside of the US. He had a great point, when he said that it should of been made impossible for him to do it in the first place. I have no problem with him taking advantage of a system created by the politicians, not sure who would. It needs to be fixed, and who better to fix it then someone who exploited it.

Also, I do not see the big deal of Trump questioning the legitimacy of the election. The mainstream media is clearly picking which stories to report on and therefore influencing voters. They have single handedly created a stigma that Trump supporters are racists, bigots, blah blah blah. Many of which will not display any advertising of their support because they fear there will be violence of their property or body. There is corruption involved with the Clintons coming out everyday and yet it gets very little coverage. I'm sure many Americans feel the same way and question the disgusting bias that has been created.

Kelly putting Brazile in the hot seat was beautiful and very awkward. I wish we could get Hillary in a situation like that. No note cards, no rehearsing, just straightforward questions and answers. Americans deserve it. I have a feeling she would spontaneously combust.

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
Voters: 422. You may not vote on this poll

10-19-2016, 10:46 PM	#9413
Clarka3 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 17,877 Clarka3 Clarka3	The moderator tonight was the best of the 3. I felt that he held both candidates' feet to the fire with pointed questions. Clinton won hands down. Anybody saying otherwise is in la la land. __________________ Luke Kuechly Collector pending: w8lifter28 (custom), Don't ask me how much I want to offer. Come with a price in mind. If I don't want it or think it's worth that, I will let you know.

10-19-2016, 11:09 PM	#9416
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	If you've got 9 minutes, watch how much of an asset Megyn Kelly could have been for the Trump campaign this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mla...&feature=share Donna was crushed. __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

10-19-2016, 11:15 PM	#9419
tacoma34 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 5,630	Giuliani and even Hannity that spout nothing but praise for Trump really aren't doing him any favors. Many Americans wanna hear from the more neutral opinions and just roll their eyes when they see the blatant bias. It's really not a good look and just gives the CNN vibe. Oreilly and Kelly are the only ones worth listening to on Fox. __________________ ISO: Earl Thomas 2014 Topps Chrome Black Printing Plate (last card needed for complete rainbow)

10-19-2016, 11:31 PM	#9423
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	Three very clear debate winners tonight ... Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly, and FOX news. Generally you can see the reaction online about a moderator be mostly negative (because that's what trolls do) but it's actually very hard to find anyone suggest Wallace wasn't terrific. Then Megyn w/ her post debate interview of Brazile was extraordinary; and both anchors of Fox News who already boast the best ratings of anyone. First time ever someone from FOX News moderated a general election debate, I think it's going to be an every year occurrence now. __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

10-19-2016, 10:03 PM	#9404
BoxBreaker72 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10,353	Now all the coverage is all about Trump saying he won't accept the results. Nothing on the actual issues discussed. When people go to bed they will show some highlights of substance of coarse.

10-19-2016, 10:18 PM	#9408
timber09 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,787 timber-9 timber09	My hope is that Bill shows her the way to some degree on the political front. He pissed off a lot of liberals along the way but he was actually able to get some things done during his time in the White House - and not just by strong arming people to get what he wanted. I have no idea if that will or even can happen but it is my hope. She may not be able/willing to negotiate with Republicans and I assume there will be many that are obstructionists along the way as well. Trump would face similar issues if he were in office, I just don't see him and his ego allowing him to compromise at all - and I believe compromise to be the true advantage our political system has over others. When we work together we can achieve a hell of a lot. Too bad it usually takes some sort of war or natural disaster for folks to get along and figure out they are on the same team.

10-19-2016, 10:34 PM	#9409
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,196 stunner316	CNN Instant Debate Poll of Debate Watchers: Clinton: 52 Trump: 39

10-19-2016, 10:35 PM	#9411
phosgene Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: THE OC Posts: 1,310 gordon22 phosgene	pence is the big winner tonight. pence is the anna nicole smith of the republican party. married a rich old dude with terminal cancer. for a little while had to do some really repulsive stuff, but eventually inherited it all. pence will be seen as a top tier candidate in the next cycle now.

10-19-2016, 10:37 PM	#9412
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,196 stunner316	AP Fact check AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Clinton and their debate claims

10-19-2016, 11:24 PM	#9422
tke1600 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,842 tke1600	The actual debate didn't do much to help any candidate imo but go look at Twitter. "The Clinton Foundation" is blowing up because so many people didn't realize how bad it is and are learning facts about the pay to play and the ties to the Middle East for maybe the first time. This wasn't really brought up before and more people will see some of the bold face lies Clinton tells to try and hide her corruption. It's "the Russians" isn't go to work forever for her.

10-19-2016, 11:39 PM	#9425
tacoma34 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 5,630	Clinton criticized Trump for getting cheaper materials outside of the US. He had a great point, when he said that it should of been made impossible for him to do it in the first place. I have no problem with him taking advantage of a system created by the politicians, not sure who would. It needs to be fixed, and who better to fix it then someone who exploited it. Also, I do not see the big deal of Trump questioning the legitimacy of the election. The mainstream media is clearly picking which stories to report on and therefore influencing voters. They have single handedly created a stigma that Trump supporters are racists, bigots, blah blah blah. Many of which will not display any advertising of their support because they fear there will be violence of their property or body. There is corruption involved with the Clintons coming out everyday and yet it gets very little coverage. I'm sure many Americans feel the same way and question the disgusting bias that has been created. Kelly putting Brazile in the hot seat was beautiful and very awkward. I wish we could get Hillary in a situation like that. No note cards, no rehearsing, just straightforward questions and answers. Americans deserve it. I have a feeling she would spontaneously combust. __________________ ISO: Earl Thomas 2014 Topps Chrome Black Printing Plate (last card needed for complete rainbow)