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trixstar · 10-17-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Still Clinton?

Really haven't decided, I'm in one of the bluest areas in America anyway. I know I won't be voting for Trump.

NeedChapmans · 10-17-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Really haven't decided, I'm in one of the bluest areas in America anyway. I know I won't be voting for Trump.

Yes, as am I. I know the logic is that our vote doesn't matter, because our states will be voting blue no matter what; but I still think it's important to actually vote for what you believe. My district will only have about 1,500 votes so my one vote will make me smile when I see that 20% voted Trump!

babyfaceposey · 10-17-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes, as am I. I know the logic is that our vote doesn't matter, because our states will be voting blue no matter what; but I still think it's important to actually vote for what you believe. My district will only have about 1,500 votes so my one vote will make me smile when I see that 20% voted Trump!

Don't worry I will be voting for Trump in the swing state of Florida.

tke1600 · 10-17-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Really haven't decided, I'm in one of the bluest areas in America anyway. I know I won't be voting for Trump.

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes, as am I. I know the logic is that our vote doesn't matter, because our states will be voting blue no matter what; but I still think it's important to actually vote for what you believe. My district will only have about 1,500 votes so my one vote will make me smile when I see that 20% voted Trump!

See to me it's not just about a persons one vote, it's about discussing the issues, or madness in this years election, to then have someone sitting on the fence vote one way or the other based on what they learn. As dumb as it may sound, I guarantee you that out of the thousands of views on this thread, from people who would never jump into a crazy political discussion on here, some have learned about Wikileaks for the first time and then told someone else they know about it. That is how discussions like this spread without people even knowing about it.

swise0121 · 10-17-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

See to me it's not just about a persons one vote, it's about discussing the issues, or madness in this years election, to then have someone sitting on the fence vote one way or the other based on what they learn. As dumb as it may sound, I guarantee you that out of the thousands of views on this thread, from people who would never jump into a crazy political discussion on here, some have learned about Wikileaks for the first time and then told someone else they know about it. That is how discussions like this spread without people even knowing about it.

Good point

pac213up · 10-17-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes, less predictable, but still, the day of the NE elections, 538 had Cruz doing really well and Trump swept every state ...

I'm simply saying it's reasonable to be skeptical about polling right now, considering it was terribly wrong just a few months ago.

With the amount of data involved and the trend lines, especially in important demographic areas, I am more skeptical of people that are skeptical, than I am of the polling process itself. I am a data driven individual though.

NeedChapmans · 10-17-2016, 03:46 PM

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With the amount of data involved and the trend lines, especially in important demographic areas, I am more skeptical of people that are skeptical, than I am of the polling process itself. I am a data driven individual though.

Data driven, my degree is probability and statistics ... but the evidence has shown in this election, for whatever reason; the data isn't as reliable as it has been in the past. There may very well be a polling issue in terms of Trump supporters actually identifying themselves. It appeared to be a problem in the primaries, it may still be a problem now.

So for me, I'll just wait until the 8th and the votes come in. Perhaps in three weeks I'll be proven to be an idiot for not believing the polls all along (or something changes before then) ... but like I said. Skeptical.

Astros19 · 10-17-2016, 04:15 PM

We're being played so badly it's embarrassing.
For your amusement, it's 17 minutes long and in today's world of instant gratification I'm sure some won't take the time to watch it.
Please do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

noryan34 · 10-17-2016, 04:15 PM

My problem with polling data is it only counts the data points in which people agreed to respond. There is no column for those that failed to answer.

I understand there is error margins in every poll which account for what 2-7% usually. 90% of the people I know wouldn't answer those polls because it is none of their damn business.

Not trying to say the polls are wrong just pointing out for all these polls have going for them the clear bias towards only counting the 'votes' of those willing to respond and answer could influence the outcome.

chezball · 10-17-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

We're being played so badly it's embarrassing.
For your amusement, it's 17 minutes long and in today's world of instant gratification I'm sure some won't take the time to watch it.
Please do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Already posted #9010.

rman112 · 10-17-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Pay the homeless, pay the elderly, the ill ... and teach them how to incite violence at a rally. And admit it to someone else you don't know? How stupid can you be?

Should be a monster story, the media covered these rallies for months during the primaries; the night Chicago rally was shut down, they were on air for 24 straight hours talking about how these rallies are just too violent, Trump rhetoric etc. And here we have guys on camera talking about their training ops, bird-dogging old women on air tanks ... it's crazy.

It's more hubris than anything. Look at what happened to Hillary with the email thing.. nothing. They don't care what gets out, because they're not fearful of consequences.

It's funny, because plenty of people are saying it's a Clinton landslide win, yet the campaign has been pulling desperation moves from the get-go. With the recent sexual assault smears, I think I can smell a lot of hot poo in the Democratic pants..

pac213up · 10-17-2016, 04:49 PM

The ground game matters in this sport.

Early voting reveals warning signs for Trump - POLITICO

Astros19 · 10-17-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

Already posted #9010.

My apologies, I must have just skimmed past it.

NeedChapmans · 10-17-2016, 05:23 PM

Politico reporter Glenn Thrush asking for feedback from Clinton camp before publishing a story. I do love the "Sorry to bother".

zonacats8 · 10-17-2016, 06:42 PM

Please tell me someone here has been watching CNN for the last 15 minutes on a tv with a DVR?

Because I'm not watching on a tv I can jump back, but they just did a piece on trump supporters who believe the election is rigged.

And someone walked across camera holding a Paul Ryan yard sign with traitor written across it, it didn't occur to me until it was off the screen, but I'm pretty sure it was spelled "TRADER"

PLEASE tell me someone can jump back a few minutes and see if I'm right and take a picture of it????

NeedChapmans · 10-17-2016, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

Please tell me someone here has been watching CNN for the last 15 minutes on a tv with a DVR?

Because I'm not watching on a tv I can jump back, but they just did a piece on trump supporters who believe the election is rigged.

And someone walked across camera holding a Paul Ryan yard sign with traitor written across it, it didn't occur to me until it was off the screen, but I'm pretty sure it was spelled "TRADER"

PLEASE tell me someone can jump back a few minutes and see if I'm right and take a picture of it????

sonnyday · 10-17-2016, 07:04 PM

Maybe Paul Ryan has some Refractors he is looking for.

37Jetson · 10-17-2016, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Politico reporter Glenn Thrush asking for feedback from Clinton camp before publishing a story. I do love the "Sorry to bother".

This cannot be because Politico judges facts and facts don't lie..... barf

zonacats8 · 10-17-2016, 07:11 PM

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Oh that is outstanding, thank you!

coltsnsox07 · 10-17-2016, 07:26 PM

Rats, that's people in my state Wisconsin. Sorry everyone..

Anderdale · 10-17-2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

Rats, that's people in my state Wisconsin. Sorry everyone..

Between this and choking against Ohio state, I have lost respect!

Skipscards · 10-17-2016, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Really haven't decided, I'm in one of the bluest areas in America anyway. I know I won't be voting for Trump.

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes, as am I. I know the logic is that our vote doesn't matter, because our states will be voting blue no matter what; but I still think it's important to actually vote for what you believe. My district will only have about 1,500 votes so my one vote will make me smile when I see that 20% voted Trump!

Might I recommend a vote for the Libertarians, if for no other reason than to help them get 5% of the vote. Maybe we can do some good in 2020; particularly from states like ours where the winner is already predetermined.

NeedChapmans · 10-17-2016, 10:00 PM

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Might I recommend a vote for the Libertarians, if for no other reason than to help them get 5% of the vote. Maybe we can do some good in 2020; particularly from states like ours where the winner is already predetermined.

Not for me. Trump is the way to go this year. For me, any non-Trump vote is a vote for Clinton, and that is not an option.

swise0121 · 10-17-2016, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Not for me. Trump is the way to go this year. For me, any non-Trump vote is a vote for Clinton, and that is not an option.

Same here

GeechQuest · 10-17-2016, 10:12 PM

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011

I spent some of this evening reading Hillary Clinton's paid Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. I know none of you will, but if you have time they truly are fascinating. For as much as this forum has harped on her, the woman KNOWS HER STUFF! Watching her public speeches and the debates she comes off completely robotic, and almost like every line she says is rehearsed. Couldn't be further from the truth when reading those speeches.

I'll preface this and say that those are the only Wikileaks emails I've read, and I actually have a more favorable view of Hillary Clinton than I did prior to reading them. I thought they'd be full of dirt, full of corruption and so forth. Nope. Not even a little bit.

They did show that her "private positions" are a bit different than her "public positions", but other than that nothing earth shattering. I completely see why Goldman Sachs would pay her what they did for these speeches. You get what you pay for, and I have yet to see someone on this forum speak with such fluidity and knowledge pertaining to a myriad of subjects as Hillary did in those speeches. If she's worth $250,000 I'm worth $25.

Again, if you haven't read them you should.

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
Voters: 422. You may not vote on this poll

10-17-2016, 04:49 PM	#9062
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	The ground game matters in this sport. Early voting reveals warning signs for Trump - POLITICO __________________ "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

10-17-2016, 05:23 PM	#9064
NeedChapmans Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 31,800 ProspectCincy NeedChapmans	Politico reporter Glenn Thrush asking for feedback from Clinton camp before publishing a story. I do love the "Sorry to bother". __________________ It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits.

10-17-2016, 06:42 PM	#9065
zonacats8 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Detroit Posts: 16,147	Please tell me someone here has been watching CNN for the last 15 minutes on a tv with a DVR? Because I'm not watching on a tv I can jump back, but they just did a piece on trump supporters who believe the election is rigged. And someone walked across camera holding a Paul Ryan yard sign with traitor written across it, it didn't occur to me until it was off the screen, but I'm pretty sure it was spelled "TRADER" PLEASE tell me someone can jump back a few minutes and see if I'm right and take a picture of it???? __________________ PC: Carolina Panthers and University of Arizona players, especially in UofA uniform Jonathan Stewart PC: http://sportscardalbum.com/u/zonacats8/a/jonathan-stewart-pc Star Lotulelei PC: http://sportscardalbum.com/u/zonacats8/a/star-lotulelei-pc

10-17-2016, 04:15 PM	#9058
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	We're being played so badly it's embarrassing. For your amusement, it's 17 minutes long and in today's world of instant gratification I'm sure some won't take the time to watch it. Please do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

10-17-2016, 04:15 PM	#9059
noryan34 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 138 noryan34	My problem with polling data is it only counts the data points in which people agreed to respond. There is no column for those that failed to answer. I understand there is error margins in every poll which account for what 2-7% usually. 90% of the people I know wouldn't answer those polls because it is none of their damn business. Not trying to say the polls are wrong just pointing out for all these polls have going for them the clear bias towards only counting the 'votes' of those willing to respond and answer could influence the outcome.

10-17-2016, 07:04 PM	#9067
sonnyday Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cleeeevelaaaaand Posts: 2,742 Sonnyday	Maybe Paul Ryan has some Refractors he is looking for.

10-17-2016, 07:26 PM	#9070
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,450	Rats, that's people in my state Wisconsin. Sorry everyone..

10-17-2016, 10:12 PM	#9075
GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011 I spent some of this evening reading Hillary Clinton's paid Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. I know none of you will, but if you have time they truly are fascinating. For as much as this forum has harped on her, the woman KNOWS HER STUFF! Watching her public speeches and the debates she comes off completely robotic, and almost like every line she says is rehearsed. Couldn't be further from the truth when reading those speeches. I'll preface this and say that those are the only Wikileaks emails I've read, and I actually have a more favorable view of Hillary Clinton than I did prior to reading them. I thought they'd be full of dirt, full of corruption and so forth. Nope. Not even a little bit. They did show that her "private positions" are a bit different than her "public positions", but other than that nothing earth shattering. I completely see why Goldman Sachs would pay her what they did for these speeches. You get what you pay for, and I have yet to see someone on this forum speak with such fluidity and knowledge pertaining to a myriad of subjects as Hillary did in those speeches. If she's worth $250,000 I'm worth $25. Again, if you haven't read them you should.