2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I really wish I was on my laptop instead of a phone so I could post a gif of a hamster running around his wheel.

No I got it.

-You don't want health insurance
-You do want car/homeowners insurance

-You want the insurance for the car and home because you want to own a car and home and to do so you are required to have insurance.
-You want to remain a member of the US, you just don't want to pay THAT insurance which is now required by all Americans.

Your argument is as clear as mud

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

You are living proof that some people will believe anything if it fits their narrative.

Obamacare had nothing to do with healthcare for the uninsured. The government could have simply decided to pay for healthcare for these people.

Yes. Single-payer. Tried to. It was the stated goal, and remains so. The GOP led Congress made that impossible with the ACA. We'll get it next time. Better Congress, better results.

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Obamacare is very expensive accident insurance where one trip to the hospital can have a working class family teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Obamacare has more pork and greed than any Republican could have dreamed up.

A single very expensive accident (or unexpected illness), even with insurance, already had working class families teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, that's why the political will to get the ACA done in the first place.
Hillary was bounced out on her behind with the same thing only 20 years earlier and still has the scars to show it.
As for pork and greed, it pales to Republicans brokering for private concerns cost-plus military planes, some of which won't fly, to our federal government for decades to the tune of trillions, to name just one waste of money far worse than the ACA could ever be, since the Act, has inarguably helped some people, even if it's not people you like. That the GOP are dipping their beak in the ACA, too, is upsetting, but no surprise. They punched the very loopholes into to they're now exploiting.

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

There is no mechanism to deliver the $2,500 per family that Obama promised. The manufacturer of the Epipen is allowed to carry out disgusting price gouging. America got totally screwed with Obamacare because the doctors, lawyers, insurance comapnies, drug makers and more continue to get rich on the backs of the American people. The paid off politicians turn their back and continue to peddle their product like they are personally doing Americans a favor.

Thank Congress for gutting the Act, making it a mockery of what it could've been. Imagine if Obama was selling you a car, a good car, but someone poured sugar in the gas tank and then went on to blame Obama for it not running well from the start. Well, here we are. Guess who poured the sugar?

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

We are not in a position where we can trust our politicians to fix this mess.

They are pretty much the only ones who can regulate these industries. We just need more of them on the same page.

Here's me From #5281, showing I believe the same thing I believed two hours ago, putting me one up on Trump:

"As for the ACA, I wouldn't mind seeing it entirely wiped away, as long as it was immediately replaced by a single-payer system that covers every man, woman, and child in America, which is what the ACA was intended to be in the first place before the pharmaceutical masters of the GOP told their paid-for marionettes to fight it tooth and nail in Congress, rendering it a shell of what it was intended to be, but still better than nothing. Anything short of full coverage for all Americans, and we are not providing for the general welfare as our Founders intended. The ACA would have been a lot better from its inception if it had the bi-partisan support that it deserved, but hey, you work with what you have."

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Healthcare should not ever, under any circumstances, be free for anyone. But god bless those Democrats for utilizing my tax dollars better than I could have ever dreamed in an attempt to create a perfect oasis here on Earth.

You're welcome! I know it might be hard to visualize now with stuff so messed up, but you'll sure be glad when we succeed.

[tacoma34]

Supporting Hillary or Trump asks most Americans to put their morals second. Nobody should take anyone seriously that supports them so brazenly, as many in this thread do just because of the party they represent.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Supporting Hillary or Trump asks most Americans to put their morals second. Nobody should take anyone seriously that supports them so brazenly, as many in this thread do just because of the party they represent.

Well said. I actually do feel somewhat guilty and responsible because I didn't attend any caucus, as im sure was the case for most moderates. We let the inmates run the asylum and they crapped the bed.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

For the last time. I want to own a car so I pay insurance. I want to own a home so I pay insurance. I do not want medical insurance. I no longer have that option but I am forced to pay a fine.Simple enough break down for you?

I really absolutely agree with you. I remember me in my twenties and thirties, man I never carried health insurance and never really needed it. Now that I am in my forties I have it and have needed it a few times too. I just think if you don't want it you shouldn't be made into pay for it...... however......... No matter the age we are there is a chance we could need it for whatever the reason, kidney stones, cancer, auto accidents or whatnot and if said person does not have it there's a good chance they will get the care and never pay the bill because it could be 500 to tens of thousands depending on the case, which they have to recoup from customers who do pay medical insurance by jacking their bills up.


I'm not a fan of making people pay for insurance but it does cause problems if they don't pay their bills for everyone. (I'm not saying you, just generalizing) Having said that health care reform is a solid need in this country. The problem we have is we put the MOST physically irresponsible entity on the face of the earth in charge of it.

Now even the people who were already paying health insurance are paying at least double the already rediculously high rates and even the ones who were getting obamacare at a very cheap premium are getting 30-50% hikes each year and soon won't be able to afford to keep it anyway.

[jarrodsalas]

I pay a little over 7 grand a year for my 8 year old daughter and I. Luckily we have only had to use the wellness checks. 5 years ago it was around 4k for the annual premium.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by chezball

Here you go.

And here's the Democrat hamster:

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Supporting Hillary or Trump asks most Americans to put their morals second. Nobody should take anyone seriously that supports them so brazenly, as many in this thread do just because of the party they represent.

You must have one of those "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Other Guy" bumper stickers you've been really wanting to use.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You must have one of those "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Other Guy" bumper stickers you've been really wanting to use.

No, it's about time to replace that one after 8 years.

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Supporting Hillary or Trump asks most Americans to put their morals second. Nobody should take anyone seriously that supports them so brazenly, as many in this thread do just because of the party they represent.

I'm voting Trump but I will repeat what I said earlier somewhere in this thread. I don't agree with some of his ways of speaking but democrats and republicans both have done nothing but screw us all over. He might hurt some people's feelings but time to go with an outsider.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

No, it's about time to replace that one after 8 years.

Fair enough, but here you go anyway:

[tacoma34]

[notsublime]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Renting in Austin, TX it is 100% required. You can't get an apartment/condo without it. They won't even give you your keys until you submit the policy.

Is this the same Texas that has some of the highest uninsured motorist rates in the U.S.? (Depending on what year and site you reference but consistent)
So much for being "Required"

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by notsublime

Is this the same Texas that has some of the highest uninsured motorist rates in the U.S.? (Depending on what year and site you reference but consistent)
So much for being "Required"

People break laws every day.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Goldman Sachs Bans Employees from Donating to Trump

There is a good read for all the crooked Hillary fans. Clearly, the big banks like ole Hillary.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Obamacare had nothing to do with healthcare for the uninsured. The government could have simply decided to pay for healthcare for these people.

Obamacare really is not what Obama wanted to begin with. Not sure if his actual plan would have been better or worse. The positive in all of it (I hope) is that at some point here Congress is going to have to step up and address the issue of Healthcare. It was a failing system before Obamacare and no one had the guts to really tackle the issue. I have a feeling when it is all said and done this will be a step back to take two steps forward type of thing. Unfortunately it may be many years before taking those steps forward as Congress is unable to really do anything meaningful with the current leadership in both parties.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Yes. Single-payer. Tried to. It was the stated goal, and remains so. The GOP led Congress made that impossible with the ACA. We'll get it next time. Better Congress, better results.



A single very expensive accident (or unexpected illness), even with insurance, already had working class families teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, that's why the political will to get the ACA done in the first place.
Hillary was bounced out on her behind with the same thing only 20 years earlier and still has the scars to show it.
As for pork and greed, it pales to Republicans brokering for private concerns cost-plus military planes, some of which won't fly, to our federal government for decades to the tune of trillions, to name just one waste of money far worse than the ACA could ever be, since the Act, has inarguably helped some people, even if it's not people you like. That the GOP are dipping their beak in the ACA, too, is upsetting, but no surprise. They punched the very loopholes into to they're now exploiting.



Thank Congress for gutting the Act, making it a mockery of what it could've been. Imagine if Obama was selling you a car, a good car, but someone poured sugar in the gas tank and then went on to blame Obama for it not running well from the start. Well, here we are. Guess who poured the sugar?



They are pretty much the only ones who can regulate these industries. We just need more of them on the same page.

Here's me From #5281, showing I believe the same thing I believed two hours ago, putting me one up on Trump:

"As for the ACA, I wouldn't mind seeing it entirely wiped away, as long as it was immediately replaced by a single-payer system that covers every man, woman, and child in America, which is what the ACA was intended to be in the first place before the pharmaceutical masters of the GOP told their paid-for marionettes to fight it tooth and nail in Congress, rendering it a shell of what it was intended to be, but still better than nothing. Anything short of full coverage for all Americans, and we are not providing for the general welfare as our Founders intended. The ACA would have been a lot better from its inception if it had the bi-partisan support that it deserved, but hey, you work with what you have."

And yet, ladies and gentlemen, he wants to "expand" the ACA... He blames big pharma for buying off the GOP, but the candidate he's voting for has the most pharma donations: Clinton tops 2016 field in drug industry donations | TheHill

I mean, you can't make this stuff up. Keep thinking that "progressive platform" is what you're voting for. I'm sure she'll follow the platform and not the will of her donors

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by Panthersfans

I really absolutely agree with you. I remember me in my twenties and thirties, man I never carried health insurance and never really needed it. Now that I am in my forties I have it and have needed it a few times too. I just think if you don't want it you shouldn't be made into pay for it...... however......... No matter the age we are there is a chance we could need it for whatever the reason, kidney stones, cancer, auto accidents or whatnot and if said person does not have it there's a good chance they will get the care and never pay the bill because it could be 500 to tens of thousands depending on the case, which they have to recoup from customers who do pay medical insurance by jacking their bills up.


I'm not a fan of making people pay for insurance but it does cause problems if they don't pay their bills for everyone. (I'm not saying you, just generalizing) Having said that health care reform is a solid need in this country. The problem we have is we put the MOST physically irresponsible entity on the face of the earth in charge of it.

Now even the people who were already paying health insurance are paying at least double the already rediculously high rates and even the ones who were getting obamacare at a very cheap premium are getting 30-50% hikes each year and soon won't be able to afford to keep it anyway.

The cost of healthcare is still the major problem. The insurance does not fix it. It is just a way to re-distribute the cost to different people.

Also, the medical malpractice is another thing. Doctors do not hurt their reputations. They will tell you to take all the meds, scan x-ray even though they are 90% sure that you are in no harm. These "extra" service is to protect Doctors' reputations far more than saving your health. (Of course, there is always a story about how people find their tumors from the unexpected checkup.)

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

The cost of healthcare is still the major problem. The insurance does not fix it. It is just a way to re-distribute the cost to different people.

Also, the medical malpractice is another thing. Doctors do not hurt their reputations. They will tell you to take all the meds, scan x-ray even though they are 90% sure that you are in no harm. These "extra" service is to protect Doctors' reputations far more than saving your health. (Of course, there is always a story about how people find their tumors from the unexpected checkup.)

Well said. I agree with that as well.

[ajlaxmn]

Cut out some of the Major military programs for certain ships/tanks/planes, whatever isn't necessarily needed, use that to fund free healthcare. Boom. Done. #VoteMe2016


But seriously the overspending on military contracts for major weapons and systems is the norm and its absurd. I don't believe we need every weapons system we have, I think it would be time to start scaling back the weapons systems, not size of the military, but some of the ships/planes/tanks that aren't as crucial as others. Also cut back on some of the expected and current systems and weapons that will turn into hundreds of million dollar or billion dollar contracts, many of which will turn into cost overruns.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

Cut out some of the Major military programs for certain ships/tanks/planes, whatever isn't necessarily needed, use that to fund free healthcare. Boom. Done. #VoteMe2016


But seriously the overspending on military contracts for major weapons and systems is the norm and its absurd. I don't believe we need every weapons system we have, I think it would be time to start scaling back the weapons systems, not size of the military, but some of the ships/planes/tanks that aren't as crucial as others. Also cut back on some of the expected and current systems and weapons that will turn into hundreds of million dollar or billion dollar contracts, many of which will turn into cost overruns.

While I do agree with winning the race of being on top as far as military is concerned...check this stat out...crazy. That is ONE type of aircraft.

The Pentagon now plans to spend $391.2 billion on 2,443 aircraft, with each plane costing a staggering $160 million. When taking into account the cost of flying and maintaining the F-35 over the course of its life, the program could surpass a trillion dollars, according to the Government Accountability Office.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

While I do agree with winning the race of being on top as far as military is concerned...check this stat out...crazy. That is ONE type of aircraft.

The Pentagon now plans to spend $391.2 billion on 2,443 aircraft, with each plane costing a staggering $160 million. When taking into account the cost of flying and maintaining the F-35 over the course of its life, the program could surpass a trillion dollars, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Sounds like an easy reelection if you have a manufacturing facility in your district...

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

While I do agree with winning the race of being on top as far as military is concerned...check this stat out...crazy. That is ONE type of aircraft.

The Pentagon now plans to spend $391.2 billion on 2,443 aircraft, with each plane costing a staggering $160 million. When taking into account the cost of flying and maintaining the F-35 over the course of its life, the program could surpass a trillion dollars, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Are those the planes that hunt down ISIS targets?

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Are those the planes that hunt down ISIS targets?

No and yes. It is a new generation jet and I think they were just launched into combat in August.