How ridiculously crisp are these vintage bad boys...

KvnKvnKvn · 03-27-2016, 02:09 AM

Look at the Kaline and the Robinson...Wowsers...

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weirdquadguyfan · 03-27-2016, 05:00 AM

It just seems weird that seller doesn't grade their cards. I would be careful that the photo matches the card.

blackbears86 · 03-27-2016, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by weirdquadguyfan

It just seems weird that seller doesn't grade their cards. I would be careful that the photo matches the card.

agree...if graded, these would go for much more....

VeedonFleece · 03-27-2016, 07:56 AM

I would have no reservations about bidding on this stuff. If I could afford it!

whitesoxfan3579 · 03-27-2016, 07:57 AM

i have met dealers that don't believe in grading any cards no matter what.

COMCMax · 03-27-2016, 08:01 AM

He was pretty straight forward with this PSA MINSIZERQ Hank Aaron with a photo of the psa labeling. He's obviously grades cards or co-signs for people that do. Always a little iffy buying vintage from someone who grades cards to. Looks like he has his own grading system from his feedback. Superb, Gorgeous, Outstanding, and PHENOMENAL.

blackbears86 · 03-27-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by COMCMax

He was pretty straight forward with this PSA MINSIZERQ Hank Aaron with a photo of the psa labeling. He's obviously grades cards or co-signs for people that do. Always a little iffy buying vintage from someone who grades cards to. Looks like he has his own grading system from his feedback. Superb, Gorgeous, Outstanding, and PHENOMENAL.

I've never seen that designation on a psa grade before....what does it mean?

blackbears86 · 03-27-2016, 08:30 AM

just researched----figured it out.

COMCMax · 03-27-2016, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I've never seen that designation on a psa grade before....what does it mean?

When PSA says it's to small ,but came from that factory that way. I guess a nice way of saying they don't think you trimmed it.

He listed this 57 Mantle as " Altered " so who knows.

Bretsky · 03-27-2016, 09:06 AM

I would be very concerned with them being trimmed.

justinstaff756 · 03-27-2016, 11:16 AM

Lol if you have no reservations bidding on his stuff. I could only imagine the shock when they come back from psa. #doresearch

Bhenry4 · 03-27-2016, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by COMCMax

Superb, Gorgeous, Outstanding, and PHENOMENAL.

Haha, quite the grading standard.

texmrsport · 03-27-2016, 12:10 PM

Do a Google search on this seller. Stay away.

TarjetasBéisbol · 03-27-2016, 12:14 PM

I hate to see stuff like that and getting the MINSIZERQ from PSA shows that he is very good at trimming cards.

VeedonFleece · 03-27-2016, 12:22 PM

Where is there any proof of them having trimmed cards?

87toppsproject · 03-27-2016, 12:30 PM

It's nice to see these cards, but I don't believe that they are all legit (e.g. evidence of trimming, etc.). Looking back at all the previous auctions, how could they have all of these highly-coveted, beautiful cards selling for low prices. Something does not add up.

VeedonFleece · 03-27-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justinstaff756

Lol if you have no reservations bidding on his stuff. I could only imagine the shock when they come back from psa. #doresearch

This is a really helpful post. If you know more about the seller than the rest of us, why don't you say, instead of 'lolling' about it?

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Originally Posted by 87toppsproject

It's nice to see these cards, but I don't believe that they are all legit (e.g. evidence of trimming, etc.). Looking back at all the previous auctions, how could they have all of these highly-coveted, beautiful cards selling for low prices. Something does not add up.

From the little bit of #research I've done, it would appear that this seller buys graded, cracks them out, then resells at a profit.

jr24ai3 · 03-27-2016, 01:24 PM

The Ryan RC looks trimmed. Look at the back scan, left edge.

Kevin · 03-27-2016, 01:32 PM

A lot of nice stuff there. Good luck to anybody who is bidding.

cruiserdaddy7 · 03-27-2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

This is a really helpful post. If you know more about the seller than the rest of us, why don't you say, instead of 'lolling' about it?

From the little bit of #research I've done, it would appear that this seller buys graded, cracks them out, then resells at a profit.

Why are you using hash tags on a forum?

VeedonFleece · 03-27-2016, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Why are you using hash tags on a forum?

I'm parroting.

Why are you singling me out?

Edit: Thanks for contributing to the thread though. Great input.

oldgoldy97 · 03-27-2016, 02:53 PM

Cards and prices appear too good to be true.

That should say enough.

IronMonkey415 · 03-27-2016, 02:58 PM

My 1960 TOPPS DICK GRAY card on ebay looks more real then those.

BECAUSE IT IS REAL.

biletnikoff · 03-27-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by weirdquadguyfan

It just seems weird that seller doesn't grade their cards. I would be careful that the photo matches the card.

the grading process is a scam in itself too anyway. They charge too much for an invented authority on card conditions.

the internet hasnt made this hobby more convenient,its made it more untrustworthy. Every other thread is ..card tampering,lying, he cut off the case break,he didnt bid punctually on the case break, he pulled the card,he bid on his own card....

burke23 · 03-27-2016, 03:20 PM

Basically they buy nice looking low grades versions of cards (eg psa 4 with great eye appeal), crack them out and sell them raw to people that think they will grade highly. Could be a surface wrinkle or something else that isn't very obvious but pretty
Ouch guaranteed nothing will grade highly from everything I've ever read about them.

03-27-2016, 02:09 AM	#1
KvnKvnKvn Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Trimsylvania Posts: 656	How ridiculously crisp are these vintage bad boys... Look at the Kaline and the Robinson...Wowsers... great_lakes_auction_house \| eBay

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COMCMax Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 8,912 Maximoose	He was pretty straight forward with this PSA MINSIZERQ Hank Aaron with a photo of the psa labeling. He's obviously grades cards or co-signs for people that do. Always a little iffy buying vintage from someone who grades cards to. Looks like he has his own grading system from his feedback. Superb, Gorgeous, Outstanding, and PHENOMENAL. Last edited by COMCMax; 03-28-2016 at 08:14 AM.

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Bretsky Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,541 illini60139	I would be very concerned with them being trimmed. __________________ FLICKR ACCOUNT https://www.flickr.com/photos/21203319@N07/albums Fan of the Fighting Illini, Bears and White Sox!

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TarjetasBéisbol Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 10,901	I hate to see stuff like that and getting the MINSIZERQ from PSA shows that he is very good at trimming cards. __________________ De oppresso liber - RLTW "The Mexicans taught me that trick", "Let me be very clear, crystal clear"

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Kevin Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,282 kevinm215	A lot of nice stuff there. Good luck to anybody who is bidding. __________________ Collecting Detroit Tigers memorabilia and baseball rookie/prospect cards. My Detroit Tiger Autograph PC: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/990697-kevins-detroit-tiger-certified-auto-collection-photo-scan-heavy.html

03-27-2016, 05:00 AM	#2
weirdquadguyfan Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 186 donof2001	It just seems weird that seller doesn't grade their cards. I would be careful that the photo matches the card.

03-27-2016, 07:56 AM	#4
VeedonFleece Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The 01246 Posts: 3,896 veedonfleece	I would have no reservations about bidding on this stuff. If I could afford it!

03-27-2016, 07:57 AM	#5
whitesoxfan3579 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2,007 alaa6385-53jvwf	i have met dealers that don't believe in grading any cards no matter what.

03-27-2016, 08:30 AM	#8
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,344 blackbears86	just researched----figured it out.

03-27-2016, 11:16 AM	#11
justinstaff756 Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 332	Lol if you have no reservations bidding on his stuff. I could only imagine the shock when they come back from psa. #doresearch

03-27-2016, 12:10 PM	#13
texmrsport Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 469	Do a Google search on this seller. Stay away.

03-27-2016, 12:22 PM	#15
VeedonFleece Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The 01246 Posts: 3,896 veedonfleece	Where is there any proof of them having trimmed cards?

03-27-2016, 12:30 PM	#16
87toppsproject Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 471	It's nice to see these cards, but I don't believe that they are all legit (e.g. evidence of trimming, etc.). Looking back at all the previous auctions, how could they have all of these highly-coveted, beautiful cards selling for low prices. Something does not add up.

03-27-2016, 01:24 PM	#18
jr24ai3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,740	The Ryan RC looks trimmed. Look at the back scan, left edge.

03-27-2016, 02:53 PM	#22
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 52,817	Cards and prices appear too good to be true. That should say enough. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

03-27-2016, 02:58 PM	#23
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	My 1960 TOPPS DICK GRAY card on ebay looks more real then those. BECAUSE IT IS REAL.

03-27-2016, 03:20 PM	#25
burke23 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 5,249 burke23	Basically they buy nice looking low grades versions of cards (eg psa 4 with great eye appeal), crack them out and sell them raw to people that think they will grade highly. Could be a surface wrinkle or something else that isn't very obvious but pretty Ouch guaranteed nothing will grade highly from everything I've ever read about them. __________________ * Looking for high end defensive Cracked Ice Auto and Topps Chrome Red Ref Non-Auto RC *Also LF 1997 PMG Red FB and star Non-Auto Topps Chrome Red Refractor rc