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View Poll Results: Who is the NFL'S GOAT?
Tom Brady because of his individual greatness 49 30.06%
Tom Brady because of the team success he's had 22 13.50%
Otto Graham 9 5.52%
Jerry Rice 22 13.50%
Jim Brown 8 4.91%
Joe Montana 21 12.88%
Peyton Manning 20 12.27%
Walter Payton 9 5.52%
Ronnie Lott 0 0%
Lawrence Taylor 3 1.84%
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Old 04-25-2016, 05:11 PM   #1
Jameis1of1
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Question QUESTONS for those who feel Tim Brady is the GOAT

Firstly, I'm not a Brady fan nor a Brady hater.

Secondly, I think he is one of the greatest QB's ever.

HOWEVER, I don't understand why anyone considers him the GOAT.

Listen, football is the epitome of a "team" sport. It's not boxing or tennis and it's not even basketball where one star player can carry a team to victory almost single-handedly.

There are 22 starters plus special teams in football and one player simply cannot carry a team to victory on the NFL level, no matter how great that one player is. This being the case, I have a very hard time factoring in "team success" to discussions of which player was the greatest "individual" player.

For example, there is nothing anyone can say that will ever make me believe that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Brett Favre, wven though he has three more rings. There is a reason Bradshaw was named 1st team all-pro just once and Favre was a three time 1st team all-pro and three time NFL MVP!

The above said, I sincerely want to hear from all those who actually believe that Tom Brady is THE GOAT after they read and consider and reply to the following:

Tom Brady's "individual" resume is nowhere near as impressive as many other players.

Tom Brady is a TWO time 1st team all-pro and TWO time MVP ... Aaron Rodgers has done the exact same thing and has only been a starting QB for 7 full seasons.

Jerry Rice was a TEN time 1st team all-pro and TWO time OPOY (as good as an MVP for a receiver).

Jim Brown was a EIGHT time 1st team all-pro, and FOUR time consensus MVP.

Peyton Manning was a SEVEN time 1st team all-pro and FIVE time MVP.

Brett Favre was a THREE time 1st team all-pro and THREE time MVP.

What makes Brady rank higher on your individual GOAT lists than the above players?

Now, if your answer is, "Well, Brady has experienced more 'team success' than all of the above players, I would like to ask you WHY you rank Brady ahead of Joe Montana?

Joe Montana was a THREE time 1st team all-pro and TWO time MVP, which is better than Brady and Montana has just as many rings while also playing near perfect football in his Super Bowls and never having lost a single one. So again, I ask you, WHY do you personally rank Brady ahead of someone like Montana?

Finally, I have one last question for you ... how in the world can you possibly rank Brady ahead of OTTO GRAHAM on an all-time GOAT list.

Graham was a SEVEN time 1st team all-pro (Brady is a two-time 1t team all-pro), THREE time MVP (Brady is a two-time MVP) ... and if you include "team success" in your formula for deciding who the GOAT was ... Graham played 10 years and went to TEN STRAIGHT title games (Brady has been to 6 in 14 full seasons) and won SEVEN rings (Brady has won four)!

In conclusion, I personally think Brady is an all-time great and belongs in the top 15 QB's of all-time with Graham, Montana, Manning, Favre, Marino, Unitas, Rodgers, Elway, Staubach, Moon, Young, Warner, Brees and Bradshaw and the top 100 players of all-time.

I do not however understand how anyone can seriously believe he is the GOAT and I would like to hear the reasons from those who do believe such.

As for me ... I voted for Jerry Rice as his individual greatness is beyond question and I just cannot possibly put that much weight on "rings" in a sport where there are 22 players plus special teams that greatly impact whether a team wins or loses ... however ... Rice does have three rings as well :-)

Last edited by Jameis1of1; 04-25-2016 at 05:18 PM.
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