Beckett grading "subjectivity" is an outright lie....

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:29 PM

So I've been submitting to Beckett a lot lately. Been hitting about 20-25% of my orders as pristine 10s, not hard considering that many pack fresh cards nowadays have pretty good quality control. On average, about 1.8 of the 4 subgrades of each card I submit hit a 10. Obviously you need at least 3 10 subgrades and at least a 9.5 on the 4th subgrade to get a pristine overall. Which brings me to my latest order. In fact, I think I'm going to give something away to the first person who guesses the answer to the following question correctly....

I submitted 14 cards in my last order....all but 2 of them from 2015 issues. And not difficult to grade 2015 issues like NT, but piece of cake stuff like Bowman and Finest, where half of cards end up pristine, it seems.

My 14 cards had 56 subgrades. How many subgrades out of 56 got a 10.0? Not how many cards ended up graded pristine 10 overall. Just subgrades. How many subgrades got a 10.0?

Jaypers · 08-18-2015, 03:31 PM

Why is their subjectivity an outright lie? I don't see this addressed in your post.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:31 PM

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dhendrix1303 · 08-18-2015, 03:32 PM

Do I need find my small violin for this thread?

1 sec..

ThePumaLives · 08-18-2015, 03:33 PM

I'd say you got 25 sub grades as a 10.0.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

Why is their subjectivity an outright lie? I don't see this addressed in your post.

Oh, you'll see....

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

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I wish, man, I wish. I honestly thought I'd get 25 on the conservative side.

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Originally Posted by dhendrix1303

Do I need find my small violin for this thread?

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You might need to lug out the big one.

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Originally Posted by ThePumaLives

I'd say you got 25 sub grades as a 10.0.

Nope, but thanks for the guess!

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Oh, you'll see....

I wish, man, I wish. I honestly thought I'd get 25 on the conservative side.

You might need to lug out the big one.

Nope, but thanks for the guess!

Im starting to think you got very few and now are complaining about it because the order didn't reach your recent success.

Can I change my vote to 0?

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

So I've been submitting to Beckett a lot lately. Been hitting about 20-25% of my orders as pristine 10s, not hard considering that many pack fresh cards nowadays have pretty good quality control. On average, about 1.8 of the 4 subgrades of each card I submit hit a 10. Obviously you need at least 3 10 subgrades and at least a 9.5 on the 4th subgrade to get a pristine overall. Which brings me to my latest order. In fact, I think I'm going to give something away to the first person who guesses the answer to the following question correctly....

I submitted 14 cards in my last order....all but 2 of them from 2015 issues. And not difficult to grade 2015 issues like NT, but piece of cake stuff like Bowman and Finest, where half of cards end up pristine, it seems.

My 14 cards had 56 subgrades. How many subgrades out of 56 got a 10.0? Not how many cards ended up graded pristine 10 overall. Just subgrades. How many subgrades got a 10.0?

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Im starting to think you got very few and now are complaining about it because the order didn't reach your recent success.

Can I change my vote to 0?

Btw what did I win?

JMPKCP · 08-19-2015, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Btw what did I win?

So jaypers PMed you. You won a card. Send me paypal postage and I'll send you the card.

Jaypers · 08-18-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Oh, you'll see....

In that case, I'll go with zero.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Im starting to think you got very few and now are complaining about it because the order didn't reach your recent success.

Can I change my vote to 0?

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

In that case, I'll go with zero.

Correct, fellas. ZERO. 14 modern cards, including a half dozen 2015 finest. And not a single subgrade reached 10.0 on a single card. That's not subjectivity, that's just wrong. Even a product with little quality control like 1952 topps, you could submit 14 pack fresh right now and you'd get at least some 10 edges or 10 surface.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Correct, fellas. ZERO. 14 modern cards, including a half dozen 2015 finest. And not a single subgrade reached 10.0 on a single card. That's not subjectivity, that's just wrong. Even a product with little quality control like 1952 topps, you could submit 14 pack fresh right now and you'd get at least some 10 edges or 10 surface.

Happens. #lifegoeson

And back to preparing my excalibur auctions for tonight.

Hess687 · 08-18-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Correct, fellas. ZERO. 14 modern cards, including a half dozen 2015 finest. And not a single subgrade reached 10.0 on a single card. That's not subjectivity, that's just wrong. Even a product with little quality control like 1952 topps, you could submit 14 pack fresh right now and you'd get at least some 10 edges or 10 surface.

I'm sorry, but.....

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Jaypers · 08-18-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Correct, fellas. ZERO. 14 modern cards, including a half dozen 2015 finest. And not a single subgrade reached 10.0 on a single card. That's not subjectivity, that's just wrong. Even a product with little quality control like 1952 topps, you could submit 14 pack fresh right now and you'd get at least some 10 edges or 10 surface.

Been there, done that. I've had several shipments like that. And that's with the aid of my trusty loupe.

poppincurbs · 08-18-2015, 03:34 PM

Grown men outraged by other grown men's .5 downgrade opinion of a card... lol. It's all a scam folks.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by poppincurbs

Grown men outraged by other grown men's .5 downgrade opinion of a card... lol. It's all a scam folks.

Then make a guess. You tell me what number of 10 subgrades out of 56 would constitute a legitimate conspiracy then?

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Then make a guess. You tell me what number of 10 subgrades out of 56 would constitute a legitimate conspiracy then?

I dont think any would. Ive submitted THOUSANDS of cards this year alone. Do you think someone at beckett is "out to get you"?

Jaypers · 08-18-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Do you think someone at beckett is "out to get you"?

Besides Darth Grader?

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I dont think any would. Ive submitted THOUSANDS of cards this year alone. Do you think someone at beckett is "out to get you"?

Well, this is my first order since Beckett had to issue me a refund for damage to an order....so you tell me. I omitted that part, because I didn't want to plant the bias that I felt once I received this order's grades.

I've got a good eye for cards and how they grade in general, as do you. Do you think you could submit 14 modern cards and not one of them would get a single 10 subgrade. It's mathematically improbable to the point of impossible.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Well, this is my first order since Beckett had to issue me a refund for damage to an order....so you tell me. I omitted that part, because I didn't want to plant the bias that I felt once I received this order's grades.

I've got a good eye for cards and how they grade in general, as do you. Do you think you could submit 14 modern cards and not one of them would get a single 10 subgrade. It's mathematically improbable to the point of impossible.

I think its VERY possible actually. It happens man.

I LOVE how some people have conspiracy theories that grades are being "given away" and others have some that they are "under grading" the cards.

I guess that probably means they are fair. :/

This thread should be fun.

CM Sports Memorabilia · 08-18-2015, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by poppincurbs

Grown men outraged by other grown men's .5 downgrade opinion of a card... lol. It's all a scam folks.

^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

death2redemptions · 08-18-2015, 03:40 PM

I'll go with zero

But I fail to see how this will prove that their grading is or isn't subjective.

no10pin · 08-18-2015, 03:43 PM

What was the breakdown of 9.5s, 9s and less on the overall grades?

I just don't consider 14 cards to be a large enough sample size to prove anything.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

What was the breakdown of 9.5s, 9s and less on the overall grades?

I just don't consider 14 cards to be a large enough sample size to prove anything.

This.......

tonedef2oo8 · 08-18-2015, 03:45 PM

Heres something to consider. If all 10s this topic is not made.

08-18-2015, 03:29 PM	#1
JMPKCP Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: Wine country Posts: 4,673	Beckett grading "subjectivity" is an outright lie.... So I've been submitting to Beckett a lot lately. Been hitting about 20-25% of my orders as pristine 10s, not hard considering that many pack fresh cards nowadays have pretty good quality control. On average, about 1.8 of the 4 subgrades of each card I submit hit a 10. Obviously you need at least 3 10 subgrades and at least a 9.5 on the 4th subgrade to get a pristine overall. Which brings me to my latest order. In fact, I think I'm going to give something away to the first person who guesses the answer to the following question correctly.... I submitted 14 cards in my last order....all but 2 of them from 2015 issues. And not difficult to grade 2015 issues like NT, but piece of cake stuff like Bowman and Finest, where half of cards end up pristine, it seems. My 14 cards had 56 subgrades. How many subgrades out of 56 got a 10.0? Not how many cards ended up graded pristine 10 overall. Just subgrades. How many subgrades got a 10.0?

08-18-2015, 03:31 PM	#2
Jaypers Bowman Scout Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: IL Posts: 51,535 cardboardconglomerate	Why is their subjectivity an outright lie? I don't see this addressed in your post. __________________ Impervious to baiting.

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ThePumaLives Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 662 MclovinPuma	I'd say you got 25 sub grades as a 10.0. __________________ I collect ASTROS, Bobby Shantz, Carl Erskine, and Allie Reynolds

08-18-2015, 03:34 PM	#15
poppincurbs Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 3,758	Grown men outraged by other grown men's .5 downgrade opinion of a card... lol. It's all a scam folks. __________________ PC: Don Mattingly Prizm Golds /10

08-18-2015, 03:40 PM	#22
death2redemptions Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Creeping in mama's cellar Posts: 59,303 ddavisaz	I'll go with zero But I fail to see how this will prove that their grading is or isn't subjective.

08-18-2015, 03:43 PM	#23
no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,839 no10pin no10pin	What was the breakdown of 9.5s, 9s and less on the overall grades? I just don't consider 14 cards to be a large enough sample size to prove anything.

08-18-2015, 03:45 PM	#25
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,328	Heres something to consider. If all 10s this topic is not made. __________________ *“ I am very good at calculating stuff. 160+60=210 “*