Tristar Quest 5-pack box - hmm 1925 auto contract?

[edhou1]

(edit Aug 30, 2015 : got the contract in! )



I decided for the heck of it today to buy 1 spot in Tristar Quest and got lucky with the #1 spot!

full video:
2015 Tristar Quest 1-Case, 5-Envelope Random Break #1 - 8/10/15, Mickey Mantle, Jamies Winston, Cam Newton, Tony Gwynn and Charles A Stoneham RipKingsLive ...

pack 1: Slabbed Marvel Wynne, Tony Gwynn, John Kruk Opening Day Cover auto (first three players to hit 3 homers in top of 1st)
pack 2: Cam Newton auto jersey
Pack 3: Charles A Stoneham 1925 autographed contract (unclear what the contract is for, but New York Giants owner from 1919 -1936 (when he passed away and left the Giants franchise to his son)
Pack 4: Yankees signed baseball with Mantle, Billy Martin, Yogi, Whitey Ford, Hank Bauer, Whitey Ford in the sweet spot - no other details but ball seems relatively new with no special provenance
Pack 5: Jameis Winston auto jersey


I thought long and hard between 3 and 4. Ended up taking the document instead. Obviously #4 has a fairly concrete value (maybe $700-900?), but the idea of owning a full 1925 contract with the NY Giants owner who had ties with Arnold Rothstein definitely appealed to the history buff in me. No clue on the value but hopefully I didn't give up a ton relative to the ball. Obviously if the contract was relating to a star/HOFer it would be pretty desirable, but seems like I would need to wait to get the document and read the context of the document.

anyone know of any auctions relating to Stoneham (not the son)? I do see various RobertEdwards auctions with contracts of his secretarial signature - I wonder if I have recourse if this document proves to be a 'printed' secretarial signature ...hmmm

[rcgdodge]

Hmmm, Interesting choice. I probably would have gone with the ball.....but as long as you're happy that's all that matters.

[hurley081182]

If it was me I would take the Yankees signed baseball. And I hate the Yankees, but I always wanted a Ball signed by Mantle. The other names are just as good also.

[IowaCubs1]

Would have taken Yanks ball

[sportzluvr1]

Talk about history.....take the ball man.

[glen87]

break reminds me of the old home shopping network

[edhou1]

Thanks for all the replies. Decision wasn't solely/primarily based on resale value but based on combination of personal interest and how hard it would be to replace them. Only had a few minutes to decide, and being in the NY area, I see tons of these Mantle multi-signed NYY baseballs all the time. Yup, ball is nice but with enough cash you can always buy one of those guys, that was my thinking..
If Maris was on it (or if it had a picture of the Mantle signature, which was not on the sweet spot) it would have pushed me over the edge (obviously making the ball $2000+), but alas you can only make a decision based on what you see.

I'll guess I'll see when the doc comes in. Hopefully it is of an interesting subject and authenticated by PSA/DNA or JSA. Seems like PSA/DNA charges $150 for authentication for Stoneham. Stoneham (or any owner, really) is obviously not a popular collecting name as Mantle, et al but after some more research I am starting to think there's no more than a handful of pre-WW2 actual NYG signed contracts floating around out there.

[TimmyWeiss]

I like your choice. It is a unique piece of history. Be cool to see what the contract is for...player, supplies, its a mystery!

[camden_yardage]

Good choice. Tough auto.

[Cubs_rock21]

In Tristar Quest if you have an item worth 700+ than that's the Box hit or even case hit most likely. They wouldn't pack a 700.00 item in a box with another item worth more in the same box. Boxes of this are like 1200 from what I remember. The Ball was most likely the Case hit, if not it was 100% the box hit. I would have to guess that ball was a cover sheet item.

If you had a worthpoint subscription you could see sale values of items like the one you chose.

[shrevecity]

http://www.tristarproductions.com/qu...Sheet_2015.pdf

It was not apparently on the sell sheet. From a quick research point Stonehams autos were usually secretarial on most contracts so that very well could be the case hit, appears to be a very tough signature.

Did find this one.
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...pring/734.html
Has a secretarial of Stoneham, but is also for Ross Youngs so that greatly enhances the value.

[Cubs_rock21]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

http://www.tristarproductions.com/qu...Sheet_2015.pdf

It was not apparently on the sell sheet. From a quick research point Stonehams autos were usually secretarial on most contracts so that very well could be the case hit, appears to be a very tough signature.

Did find this one.
1919 Ross Youngs Signed New York Giants Contract with Cover Letter
Has a secretarial of Stoneham, but is also for Ross Youngs so that greatly enhances the value.

What the guy have to go and name his son the same name lol, ignore the worth point post, Charles Stoneham named his son Charles Stoneham.

Edit: Internet information sucks, son's name was Horace, I must be drunk

[Cubs_rock21]

Interesting enough the New York Giants football team was founded in 1925 by a man named Tim Mara. He took the name from the baseball team. Perhaps the contract was Charles Stoneham allowing the name to be used for the football team? If that's the case, than I would have to say it's a nice piece than many would have thought.

[wickedliquids]

I personally like your choice.

The auto balls are easy to obtain, as they are not rare; but certainly they are highly coveted.

The contract is cool because it's part of baseball history; that type of baseball ephemera gets rarer and rarer and tells a unique story. And the reason why it gets more difficult is due to the volume of idiots out there that want "cut" auto's. You however now have a full contract.

[no10pin]

The Yankees ball would have been tough to pass up, but I think you made the right choice. That contract is a very cool piece of history!

[edhou1]

Got the contract in today. Its a Heinie Groh 1925 player contract!

Not signed by Groh but signed by Stoneham as President and Tierney as secretary (Stoneham appears to be a tough autograph) and I thought this doc is really cool.

Could have been any player on the Giants roster let alone a Reds deadball era star.











Henry Knight "Heinie" Groh (1889-1968) is the only player to hit for the cycle from 1913 to 1917 and was one of the best third basemen in the Major League during his era. Groh began as a second baseman, but was shifted to third in 1915 after his trade from the New York Giants to the Cincinnati Reds. Groh led the Mational League in double plays six times, fielding percentage five times and putouts three times. At the plate, Heinie led the NL in games, doubles and on-base percentage twice, and once in plate appearances, runs, hits and walks. Groh played 16 seasons with the Giants (1912-1913, 1922-1926), the Reds (1913-1921) and the Pittsburgh Pirates (1927). Heinie played in five World Series (1919, 1922-1924, 1927), winning the 1919 titles over the Chicago White Sox amidst the infamous Black Sox Scandal. He also won the 1922 World Series as a member of the New York Giants over crosstown rivals, the New York Yankees. Heinie Groh finished his career with a .292 career batting average with 1,774 hits including 308 doubles, scored 918 runs and drove in 566 RBI over 16 seasons. He also posted a then-record .967 career fielding percentage with 278 doible plays, also a record, for a third baseman.

Not in HOF (actually is in Reds HOF) - but one of the more notable 3B in the deadball era...
Not in Hall of Fame - 82. Heinie Groh

Cool stuff. Who knows about value but I am happy I chose this. Can't imagine there are a lot of Groh contracts out there, signed or not. -Ed

[STLCroyards]

That’s awesome.