If you had one chance to change the hobby as a whole, how would you do it and why?

Bigalloyd13 · 07-10-2015, 01:08 AM

Title says it all. If you had one chance to change this hobby for the greater good what would you to change it and how?

Jay9Suited · 07-10-2015, 01:14 AM

Stop overproducing parallels and inserts. Not a fan of cards post 2004.

thecomebacker · 07-10-2015, 01:16 AM

Give UD back the NBA license.

ReggieEvansPC · 07-10-2015, 01:18 AM

More focus on active nba players.

Andy5 · 07-10-2015, 01:46 AM

No more exclusive trading card licences. Competition between companies rather than a monopoly.

Archangel1775 · 07-10-2015, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecomebacker

Give UD back the NBA license.

but allow Panini to keep theirs. The more competition , the better.

Bigalloyd13 · 07-10-2015, 01:53 AM

I agree with all of your guys responses. I don't believe the secondary market can be changed, that's a given. In my own opinion the more competition means better long term for the collecting community as a whole.

Also, I also agree with overproducing parallels. Make them a little more difficult to pull or not as many per box.

bjho852 · 07-10-2015, 02:08 AM

(1) No more exclusive as a whole - not just trading cards, but other related areas like autographs, memorabilia, etc. These exclusives in all kinds hurt the hobby as a whole.

(2) Have NBPA representatives (not player representatives though), as well as company representatives if possible, to witness all signings of certified/pack-pulled autograph cards, but do have NBPA representatives witness and video-record the signings at the very least. When signings are done TTM-style, it always leaves room for controversy no matter what.

(3) Reduce the number of game-used material and autograph cards. Make them moderate, if not tough, pulls again. Call me closed-minded if you want, but I miss the days when autograph cards yielded one per around 3 boxes on average, and the GU cards were like one per 2500 packs. Reducing the checklist size of autograph cards might also be easier to make them all hard-signed, increasing the sentimental value (at least to me).

Others have been said by other members here, so I don't repeat them.

Bigalloyd13 · 07-10-2015, 02:22 AM

I think that Panini should come out with more products that have more of a focus on inserts rather than hits. Limit the to like 2-4 per case to make them tougher to come by

AbraCalabro · 07-10-2015, 02:23 AM

Build a time machine:

Advise SkyBox so they never go out of business, avoid subsequently being purchased by Fleer. Advise Fleer so they never go out of business, avoid subsequently being purchased by UD at the same time avoiding back door / Fleer auction cards and uncut sheets.

Advise entire business end of hobby not to overdo it on numbered cards, autographed cards and game memorabilia cards because they will tank the hobby. Advise UD to never make Exquisite (what? You wanna' fight?

) and advise all companies that sticker autos are the devil and if they can't get an on card autograph, then they shouldn't be doing the card at all.

Number cards only in the high end product(s) and keep the rare inserts in other products unnumbered with high odds. Make mid range inserts, base and parallels that look good to keep the hobby strong.

I would also bring cards from the future with me to show to these companies so they will be scared straight and avoid making awful cards, I.E. compare the first few years of Showcase to later years, night and day, gold and garbage difference.

Other notes:

- Advise SkyBox to make E-motion up to 97/98, because let's face it, the majority of the new comers to the league and the league itself started to suck after that. 98/99 also had some winners, but a lot more duds.

- Advise Fleer to ignore the NBA and include MJ in the 98/99 Flair base set anyway, not that I'd want to deal with more overpriced base MJ cards.

- Advise UD to make more sets based on their other spokesmen at the time (90s) Penny and Kemp, Kemp did get his own set with the Slam Dunk Stars, but they could have done that one for another couple years.

- Advise UD to ensure the 96/97 HoloJams are more available.

- Advise UD to stop making so many MJ sub sets and tribute sets.

- Advise Topps to include more acetate inserts in Finest after 94/95 Finest's stellar Iron Men and Marathon Men sets.

- Advise all companies to never do 1/1 cards

- Advise all companies to include a database for any memorabilia cards, in physical brochure form and later an online database as more users / collectors take to the internet.

- Advise SkyBox and Fleer to include Sergei Bazarevich RC cards in E-Motion and Flair respectively.

tristan20 · 07-10-2015, 02:45 AM

Allow multiple companies to produce.

Panini has single handedly destroyed the hobby in little or no time.

threepointplay · 07-10-2015, 04:13 AM

I agree with a good deal of the comments so far. Changes I would make:

1) Introduce competition again to the primary market and award a second license to Upper Deck in order to bring increased innovation into card design. But limit the number of releases; we certainly do not need any more than are currently issues each season.

2) On-card autographs only. Let's just get rid of sticker autograph cards and be done with it.

3) Whilst I love HOF and legend cards, things have gone to far. A rule needs to be included that limits the number of inactive players cards released per set / per year. As stated above increase the focus on active players.

4) Increase the variety of photos used for each player. So set an upper limit on the number of times a single image can be used. I personally would suggest a maximum of twice.

5) Introduce a lower limit on the number of cards / pack and per box. I would advocate a minimum of four cards per pack and five packs per box. So each box has a minimum of 20 cards. Then I would set a maximum price point of $300 / box.

I personally think when you have single [modern] cards selling for between $1,000 to $50,000 and 'gamblers' spending $30,000 on a case in order simply to flip cards; then the hobby needs to change and things brought back to the true 'collector'. There is too much money to be potentially earned from forgeries and fakes; the simplest way to remove this is to remove the amount of profit involved.

The hobby is turning into an unregulated casino.

Nyfancam01 · 07-10-2015, 04:20 AM

LESS $1 auto and jerseys.......

MORE BASE PACKS!!!!
Panini is so damn scared for a collector to hate spending $4 on a hobby pack to get base... Every damn pack has 25 Inserts that aren't even worth .25 each. it's disgusting.

BRING BACK ACTUAL INSERTS!!!
1:18 1:36 1:48 1:72 1:192 1:288 1:360

I would do anything. LESS damn parallels. all we need per set is like ONE parallel to 25 and ONE parallel to 100. that's all.

Kosmo Kards · 07-10-2015, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

LESS $1 auto and jerseys.......

MORE BASE PACKS!!!!
Panini is so damn scared for a collector to hate spending $4 on a hobby pack to get base... Every damn pack has 25 Inserts that aren't even worth .25 each. it's disgusting.

BRING BACK ACTUAL INSERTS!!!
1:18 1:36 1:48 1:72 1:192 1:288 1:360

I would do anything. LESS damn parallels. all we need per set is like ONE parallel to 25 and ONE parallel to 100. that's all.

Couldn't agree more. Maybe add a 1:720 insert in a product or two?

Also, make game used card and AUTO's more uncommon.

byronscott4ever · 07-10-2015, 07:17 AM

Multiple companies but limited releases

At least one release must be retro themed with a non-glossy base

Every player in the league must have a card made at some point

trixstar · 07-10-2015, 07:46 AM

UD and Topps given back license. No more than 8 products allowed from each company, no more than 1500 cases per release.

spurs50fan · 07-10-2015, 08:22 AM

kick out the scammers and whiners

smalltown · 07-10-2015, 08:23 AM

Drop numbering on anything above /50. (Maybe keep till /99)

/199, /249, /399 - to me this hurts value and collectibility more than it helps it.

Cheken · 07-10-2015, 08:24 AM

1) multiple companies with topps/UD etc back
2) picture database for cards especially patches to weed out low lifes from cashing in

xavieronly1 · 07-10-2015, 08:26 AM

Limit products to 15 or less. Once you do it, everything else will take care of itself.

bigcwd2000 · 07-10-2015, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecomebacker

Give UD back the NBA license.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy5

No more exclusive trading card licences. Competition between companies rather than a monopoly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tristan20

Allow multiple companies to produce.

Panini has single handedly destroyed the hobby in little or no time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixstar

UD and Topps given back license. No more than 8 products allowed from each company, no more than 1500 cases per release.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheken

1) multiple companies with topps/UD etc back

All of the above.

IronMonkey415 · 07-10-2015, 09:14 AM

Have a camera crew filming the player signing the card.

xavieronly1 · 07-10-2015, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Have a camera crew filming the player signing the card.

The12Destroy · 07-10-2015, 10:27 AM

The hobby became more global and more accessible to the rest of the world when social media took off and the very moment eBay hit the monitors

Imagine no eBay and no social forums such as this one?

Imagine how tough it would be to find, buy and sell elusive cards from so many different subsets globally without the introduction of social media?

Not to mention how much tougher it would be for those outside of America and all over the world!

Back in the mid to late 90's, it was a miracle to find fellow collectors in Australia who had a basketball card that was serially numbered to /25 or less!

Nowadays, you're just about guaranteed one in every box (regardless of whether they are superstar or shrub)

anusinha · 07-10-2015, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Multiple companies but limited releases

At least one release must be retro themed with a non-glossy base

Every player in the league must have a card made at some point

This, 1 set released per month in total. Give license to 3 companies, each one puts out a product every 3 months.

07-10-2015, 01:08 AM	#1
Bigalloyd13 Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,836	If you had one chance to change the hobby as a whole, how would you do it and why? Title says it all. If you had one chance to change this hobby for the greater good what would you to change it and how? __________________ Ryan Anderson Supercollector Instagram: @ryanandersonpc

07-10-2015, 01:16 AM	#3
thecomebacker Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: CA, USA Posts: 2,043	Give UD back the NBA license. __________________ lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Collecting Bulls Players 3 Color GU Patch Cards.

07-10-2015, 01:18 AM	#4
ReggieEvansPC Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 3,400	More focus on active nba players. __________________ PC: Reggie Evans LF: Reggie Evans - Bismack Biyombo - Marc Gasol Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/143199198@N02/albums

07-10-2015, 01:53 AM	#7
Bigalloyd13 Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,836	I agree with all of your guys responses. I don't believe the secondary market can be changed, that's a given. In my own opinion the more competition means better long term for the collecting community as a whole. Also, I also agree with overproducing parallels. Make them a little more difficult to pull or not as many per box. __________________ Ryan Anderson Supercollector Instagram: @ryanandersonpc

07-10-2015, 02:08 AM	#8
bjho852 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,148	(1) No more exclusive as a whole - not just trading cards, but other related areas like autographs, memorabilia, etc. These exclusives in all kinds hurt the hobby as a whole. (2) Have NBPA representatives (not player representatives though), as well as company representatives if possible, to witness all signings of certified/pack-pulled autograph cards, but do have NBPA representatives witness and video-record the signings at the very least. When signings are done TTM-style, it always leaves room for controversy no matter what. (3) Reduce the number of game-used material and autograph cards. Make them moderate, if not tough, pulls again. Call me closed-minded if you want, but I miss the days when autograph cards yielded one per around 3 boxes on average, and the GU cards were like one per 2500 packs. Reducing the checklist size of autograph cards might also be easier to make them all hard-signed, increasing the sentimental value (at least to me). Others have been said by other members here, so I don't repeat them. __________________ Instagram (IG): bjho852

07-10-2015, 01:14 AM	#2
Jay9Suited Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,251	Stop overproducing parallels and inserts. Not a fan of cards post 2004.

07-10-2015, 01:46 AM	#5
Andy5 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 3,999 andyg2350 AndyG5	No more exclusive trading card licences. Competition between companies rather than a monopoly.

07-10-2015, 02:22 AM	#9
Bigalloyd13 Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,836	I think that Panini should come out with more products that have more of a focus on inserts rather than hits. Limit the to like 2-4 per case to make them tougher to come by __________________ Ryan Anderson Supercollector Instagram: @ryanandersonpc

07-10-2015, 02:23 AM	#10
AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	Build a time machine: Advise SkyBox so they never go out of business, avoid subsequently being purchased by Fleer. Advise Fleer so they never go out of business, avoid subsequently being purchased by UD at the same time avoiding back door / Fleer auction cards and uncut sheets. Advise entire business end of hobby not to overdo it on numbered cards, autographed cards and game memorabilia cards because they will tank the hobby. Advise UD to never make Exquisite (what? You wanna' fight? ) and advise all companies that sticker autos are the devil and if they can't get an on card autograph, then they shouldn't be doing the card at all. Number cards only in the high end product(s) and keep the rare inserts in other products unnumbered with high odds. Make mid range inserts, base and parallels that look good to keep the hobby strong. I would also bring cards from the future with me to show to these companies so they will be scared straight and avoid making awful cards, I.E. compare the first few years of Showcase to later years, night and day, gold and garbage difference. Other notes: - Advise SkyBox to make E-motion up to 97/98, because let's face it, the majority of the new comers to the league and the league itself started to suck after that. 98/99 also had some winners, but a lot more duds. - Advise Fleer to ignore the NBA and include MJ in the 98/99 Flair base set anyway, not that I'd want to deal with more overpriced base MJ cards. - Advise UD to make more sets based on their other spokesmen at the time (90s) Penny and Kemp, Kemp did get his own set with the Slam Dunk Stars, but they could have done that one for another couple years. - Advise UD to ensure the 96/97 HoloJams are more available. - Advise UD to stop making so many MJ sub sets and tribute sets. - Advise Topps to include more acetate inserts in Finest after 94/95 Finest's stellar Iron Men and Marathon Men sets. - Advise all companies to never do 1/1 cards - Advise all companies to include a database for any memorabilia cards, in physical brochure form and later an online database as more users / collectors take to the internet. - Advise SkyBox and Fleer to include Sergei Bazarevich RC cards in E-Motion and Flair respectively. __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123 Last edited by AbraCalabro; 07-10-2015 at 02:25 AM.

07-10-2015, 02:45 AM	#11
tristan20 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12,906	Allow multiple companies to produce. Panini has single handedly destroyed the hobby in little or no time.

07-10-2015, 04:13 AM	#12
threepointplay Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 692	I agree with a good deal of the comments so far. Changes I would make: 1) Introduce competition again to the primary market and award a second license to Upper Deck in order to bring increased innovation into card design. But limit the number of releases; we certainly do not need any more than are currently issues each season. 2) On-card autographs only. Let's just get rid of sticker autograph cards and be done with it. 3) Whilst I love HOF and legend cards, things have gone to far. A rule needs to be included that limits the number of inactive players cards released per set / per year. As stated above increase the focus on active players. 4) Increase the variety of photos used for each player. So set an upper limit on the number of times a single image can be used. I personally would suggest a maximum of twice. 5) Introduce a lower limit on the number of cards / pack and per box. I would advocate a minimum of four cards per pack and five packs per box. So each box has a minimum of 20 cards. Then I would set a maximum price point of $300 / box. I personally think when you have single [modern] cards selling for between $1,000 to $50,000 and 'gamblers' spending $30,000 on a case in order simply to flip cards; then the hobby needs to change and things brought back to the true 'collector'. There is too much money to be potentially earned from forgeries and fakes; the simplest way to remove this is to remove the amount of profit involved. The hobby is turning into an unregulated casino.

07-10-2015, 04:20 AM	#13
Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	LESS $1 auto and jerseys....... MORE BASE PACKS!!!! Panini is so damn scared for a collector to hate spending $4 on a hobby pack to get base... Every damn pack has 25 Inserts that aren't even worth .25 each. it's disgusting. BRING BACK ACTUAL INSERTS!!! 1:18 1:36 1:48 1:72 1:192 1:288 1:360 I would do anything. LESS damn parallels. all we need per set is like ONE parallel to 25 and ONE parallel to 100. that's all.

07-10-2015, 07:17 AM	#15
byronscott4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11,365	Multiple companies but limited releases At least one release must be retro themed with a non-glossy base Every player in the league must have a card made at some point

07-10-2015, 07:46 AM	#16
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,172 stunner316	UD and Topps given back license. No more than 8 products allowed from each company, no more than 1500 cases per release.

07-10-2015, 08:22 AM	#17
spurs50fan Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 3,887	kick out the scammers and whiners

07-10-2015, 08:23 AM	#18
smalltown Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 17,243 ifeature	Drop numbering on anything above /50. (Maybe keep till /99) /199, /249, /399 - to me this hurts value and collectibility more than it helps it. __________________ Collecting: Raptors, Canadian Basketball Players, Vintage & More. PC: https://www.instagram.com/smalltown.cards/

07-10-2015, 08:24 AM	#19
Cheken Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Queens, New York Posts: 3,133	1) multiple companies with topps/UD etc back 2) picture database for cards especially patches to weed out low lifes from cashing in __________________ http://s1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/ChekenCollection/

07-10-2015, 08:26 AM	#20
xavieronly1 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,006	Limit products to 15 or less. Once you do it, everything else will take care of itself. __________________ Instagram IG: xavieronly1

07-10-2015, 09:14 AM	#22
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Have a camera crew filming the player signing the card.

07-10-2015, 10:27 AM	#24
The12Destroy Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 6 skyblueprophet	The hobby became more global and more accessible to the rest of the world when social media took off and the very moment eBay hit the monitors Imagine no eBay and no social forums such as this one? Imagine how tough it would be to find, buy and sell elusive cards from so many different subsets globally without the introduction of social media? Not to mention how much tougher it would be for those outside of America and all over the world! Back in the mid to late 90's, it was a miracle to find fellow collectors in Australia who had a basketball card that was serially numbered to /25 or less! Nowadays, you're just about guaranteed one in every box (regardless of whether they are superstar or shrub)