Ok So Kris Bryant 13's seem to be "the one"

[dasiegel]

I, like many of you on here have been Bryant hunting. And man, the amount of buying threads for this guy are insane, lol. I was relieved to see the Buxton thread today. In any event I have been watching all the recent auctions on sortsof.com and it appears that the Bryant 13s are becoming the more valuable version vs the 14s.

I have some of both and have no dog in the fight as I think they will both be great to have. However, the most recent Bryant 14' auto ref /500 9.5/10 auction ended at
$386 sortsof.com - BGS 9.5/10 2014 Bowman Chrome Kris Bryant Refractor Auto /500 **HIGH SUBS/w 10**

and the 13' that is ending tonight is already at $378. (I tried to bid $375 and was outbid so I'm passing on that one lol.)

The one that ended yesterday was at about $350 fixed price sortsof.com - 2013 BOWMAN CHROME KRIS BRYANT RC REFRACTOR AUTO CUBS s#d /500 GET GRADED MT/NMT

What is really interesting is to look back at messier's old thread below
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...-autos-go.html

Another interesting point is that the 13' labels by BGS actually make them appear as inserts such as the label here Kris Bryant 2013 Bowman Chrome Draft Auto Rookie BGS 9 5 Gem Mint Auto 10 | eBay

It will be very interesting to see the post Superbowl/Pitchers and Catchers/Spring Training effect on each of these Bryant BC Autos.

[jmscoggin]

I was shopping too until the prices outpaced my interest level. Having said that, I wouldn't even consider a 2014. To me, earlier is better and down the road I think people forget or quit caring how the 2013's came to be.

For my sake, hopefully they will do what most veteran BC autos do and return to a normal level in a few years so I can buy one at that time. $350 is crazy talk for a guy that has never set foot in the Majors.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I was shopping too until the prices outpaced my interest level. Having said that, I wouldn't even consider a 2014. To me, earlier is better and down the road I think people forget or quit caring how the 2013's came to be.

For my sake, hopefully they will do what most veteran BC autos do and return to a normal level in a few years so I can buy one at that time. $350 is crazy talk for a guy that has never set foot in the Majors.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't interrupt the "prospector"

That being said as I actually collect. I would not have any issue waiting for a 3rd or 4th year card.

[coltmc45]

Out of the umpteen group breaks I've been in on with the cubs over the past 2 weeks, I've yet to pull a bryant auto. I've hit the red wave and green refractors, but no autos yet. Only bryant auto I own I actually pulled from a pack of bowman platinum I bought at a shop. I have been lucky enough to hit 2 schwarber base auto's, a blue ref auto that's being delivered today, and hit a bowman black auto if him last night. I'm hoping the market on both of them sky rockets soon. I don't PC either one of them, I've only been doing it as an investment. I think I'd rather make a few hundred off a prospect now then hope that he gets to the bigs and puts out great numbers with no injuries.

[thenwhatjk]

I have been spending way too much time thinking about whether or not Bryant is worth picking up at this point (I am a big cubs prospect collector). I've always felt he was too high, so the only Bryant I've ever picked up is his first bowman blank back 1/1, a nice but admittedly goofy card. I guess I haven't been paying too close of attention because I've only just recently noticed how much he's popped since November. I'm still sticking with my gut that my dollars are much better off in soler or Russell, but man, I could totally see my ignoring Bryant coming back to haunt me

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't interrupt the "prospector"

That being said as I actually collect. I would not have any issue waiting for a 3rd or 4th year card.

I do want a 2013 but for my collection. Would I have been above buying a few at 'low' prices to take advantage of people with more money than brains? Heck no but I didn't. Taveras and Skaggs cured me of that quite nicely thank you very much. The thing is, I paid $160 for a slabbed Jeter 10 auto and $180 for a Slabbed Ted Williams 10 auto this week. How on Earth could I justify $350 + for a prospect that may or may not ever do squat? The hobby is just getting ridiculous.

[natespringfield]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I do want a 2013 but for my collection. Would I have been above buying a few at 'low' prices to take advantage of people with more money than brains? Heck no but I didn't. Taveras and Skaggs cured me of that quite nicely thank you very much. The thing is, I paid $160 for a slabbed Jeter 10 auto and $180 for a Slabbed Ted Williams 10 auto this week. How on Earth could I justify $350 + for a prospect that may or may not ever do squat? The hobby is just getting ridiculous.

Mike Trout...

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by natespringfield

Mike Trout...

And who else, go ahead I'll wait.

[natespringfield]

I wasn't justifying anything, but I am telling you that is what most people are thinking. And, you can't say if you knew base Trouts would hit a grand you wouldn't buy them for $350...

[IowaCubs1]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I do want a 2013 but for my collection. Would I have been above buying a few at 'low' prices to take advantage of people with more money than brains? Heck no but I didn't. Taveras and Skaggs cured me of that quite nicely thank you very much. The thing is, I paid $160 for a slabbed Jeter 10 auto and $180 for a Slabbed Ted Williams 10 auto this week. How on Earth could I justify $350 + for a prospect that may or may not ever do squat? The hobby is just getting ridiculous.

Cards are a gamble. I bought a Kaepernick Exquisite for 130 dollars and 2 weeks later it was a 900 dollar card.... So I can justify it. Then flip it and buy a ton of those cards you originally bought.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by natespringfield

I wasn't justifying anything, but I am telling you that is what most people are thinking. And, you can't say if you knew base Trouts would hit a grand you wouldn't buy them for $350...

I agree with you on both points. When the &&%$$&*((^^%$&& Trout's were at $350, I kept laughing at the buyers and waiting for them to come back down to $150 ish where they 'should be'. That didn't exactly work out. I still feel that it will but it is taking a lot longer than I would have thought and $150 will never happen. Maybe $250-300 ish.

Can Bryant cards take the same rocket? It is certainly possible but what are the odds that we would have lightning strike twice in such a short span? Trout's start is historic, do we really think Bryant will do the same? I don't. I like him but the odds of having two generational talents in such a tight window are astronomical.

Originally Posted by IowaCubs1

Cards are a gamble. I bought a Kaepernick Exquisite for 130 dollars and 2 weeks later it was a 900 dollar card.... So I can justify it. Then flip it and buy a ton of those cards you originally bought.

Agreed but I'm not a gambler. It goes against everything I believe in. I'm data driven and hate taking big chances. I'll take the bird in the hand 9.9 times out of 10.

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by coltmc45

Out of the umpteen group breaks I've been in on with the cubs over the past 2 weeks, I've yet to pull a bryant auto. I've hit the red wave and green refractors, but no autos yet. Only bryant auto I own I actually pulled from a pack of bowman platinum I bought at a shop. I have been lucky enough to hit 2 schwarber base auto's, a blue ref auto that's being delivered today, and hit a bowman black auto if him last night. I'm hoping the market on both of them sky rockets soon. I don't PC either one of them, I've only been doing it as an investment. I think I'd rather make a few hundred off a prospect now then hope that he gets to the bigs and puts out great numbers with no injuries.

Yea i didn't pull any but there do seem to be a bunch on ebay and a ton of the 14 base.

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

I have been spending way too much time thinking about whether or not Bryant is worth picking up at this point (I am a big cubs prospect collector). I've always felt he was too high, so the only Bryant I've ever picked up is his first bowman blank back 1/1, a nice but admittedly goofy card. I guess I haven't been paying too close of attention because I've only just recently noticed how much he's popped since November. I'm still sticking with my gut that my dollars are much better off in soler or Russell, but man, I could totally see my ignoring Bryant coming back to haunt me

well i'm the dummy who was sellign trout auto ref 9.5s for $250 back in the day, lol. so when a "can't miss" type guy comes along i always want to be involved although there really is no such thing.

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I do want a 2013 but for my collection. Would I have been above buying a few at 'low' prices to take advantage of people with more money than brains? Heck no but I didn't. Taveras and Skaggs cured me of that quite nicely thank you very much. The thing is, I paid $160 for a slabbed Jeter 10 auto and $180 for a Slabbed Ted Williams 10 auto this week. How on Earth could I justify $350 + for a prospect that may or may not ever do squat? The hobby is just getting ridiculous.

well it's all what you like. if you are 21 y/o you might not even want a ted williams in your pc. if you like finding out who the best guys are bf the general public vintage won't do you any good. so it's all about what you enjoy. i totally get your POV, it makes sense but if this guy becomes the real deal, the people who were buying now will have either been happy financially or have a heck of a PC.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by dasiegel

Well it's all what you like. if you are 21 y/o you might not even want a ted williams in your pc. if you like finding out who the best guys are bf the general public vintage won't do you any good. so it's all about what you enjoy. i totally get your POV, it makes sense but if this guy becomes the real deal, the people who were buying now will have either been happy financially or have a heck of a PC.

No arguments here. I genuinely hope it works out well for you.

[IowaCubs1]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

No arguments here. I genuinely hope it works out well for you.

I typically take the bird in the hand also. But when you see someone and feel like they are going to be a huge player, might as well take the chance

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by IowaCubs1

I typically take the bird in the hand also. But when you see someone and feel like they are going to be a huge player, might as well take the chance

Would you like to buy some Oscar Taveras? I have a bunch and he is going to be huge. He has been called the next Pujols.

[IowaCubs1]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Would you like to buy some Oscar Taveras? I have a bunch and he is going to be huge. He has been called the next Pujols.

That's a bit different though. He died. No one would have expected that. Players can always get hurt too, you just never know. That's why it's a gamble!

[natespringfield]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Would you like to buy some Oscar Taveras? I have a bunch and he is going to be huge. He has been called the next Pujols.

Comparing Apples to Dumptrucks - but you've made your point, grats...

[thenwhatjk]

No matter how overinflated you feel like they are, they WILL be more in march than they are in january

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by natespringfield

Comparing Apples to Dumptrucks - but you've made your point, grats...

What if I put the apples in the dumptruck?

I know we have more than a couple of threads on this already and I may or may not have unintentionally hijacked this thread but I would like to hear more opinions on '13 vs '14. That was the impetus for it being started after all. I have my opinion but I'm always open to others.

[natespringfield]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I would like to hear more opinions on '13 vs '14. That was the impetus for it being started after all. I have my opinion but I'm always open to others.

I am a Cub fan and not a prospector. I have been lucky enough to acquire a '13 and a '14 for well below market value. I was also lucky enough for both of them to Gem. I would be more inclined to sell my '14 than '13, but plan on holding them both.

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

No matter how overinflated you feel like they are, they WILL be more in march than they are in january

i think thats the main point. even if he didn't do well in spring ball, even if he didn't do well in his 1st year, they will be higher during spring training than current prices.

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

What if I put the apples in the dumptruck?

I know we have more than a couple of threads on this already and I may or may not have unintentionally hijacked this thread but I would like to hear more opinions on '13 vs '14. That was the impetus for it being started after all. I have my opinion but I'm always open to others.

its all good, thats why i included one of the old threads in the OP. I know its a dead horse, but i think it's still alive! and hey, at least its not a price check thread!

[T3sT]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Can Bryant cards take the same rocket? It is certainly possible but what are the odds that we would have lightning strike twice in such a short span? Trout's start is historic, do we really think Bryant will do the same? I don't. I like him but the odds of having two generational talents in such a tight window are astronomical.

the thing is like stock market once you passed record high then prospector/gambler will try to break another record.

And in this game the prospector/gambler will try to break Trout record with another high profile minor league player either is Kris Bryant or someone else.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by dasiegel

Its all good, thats why i included one of the old threads in the OP. I know its a dead horse, but i think it's still alive! and hey, at least its not a price check thread!

Wasn't calling your thread out at all, just the opposite, I was trying to get it back on track. I am struggling to see how they will go higher than current but history tells us that they will. At least as far as climbing higher towards spring training from where they are in January. We're kind of in no mans land for a prospect to be commanding such craziness without ever playing a game. As a prospector, where do you see them in April (base BC, '13 and '14)?

[KeithandDJ]

I mainly skip prospects and buy undervalued major leaguers, like Paul Goldschmidt now or Clayton Kershaw before last season. I don't have the cajones to spend big money on guys who might be OK to average MLBers.

I do some prospecting on long shots I like, such as Keon Barnum of the White Sox, but am spending less than $5 per Chrome auto.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by KeithandDJ

I mainly skip prospects and buy undervalued major leaguers, like Paul Goldschmidt now or Clayton Kershaw before last season. I don't have the cajones to spend big money on guys who might be OK to average MLBers.

I do some prospecting on long shots I like, such as Keon Barnum of the White Sox, but am spending less than $5 per Chrome auto.

I hope for your sake you're spending far less than $5 per on barnums