Do autographs last longer on baseballs or photos?

[Scott]

I've recently started an autograph memorabilia collection and I am looking to get a Mantle auto. Would I be better off getting a signed photo or baseball? I'm mainly worried that the auto on the ball will fade faster. Let me know!

EDIT: can you guys tell if either of these authentic or not? just want a second opinion

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item3f29127561

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350857735941...84.m1423.l2649

[callou2131]

Whatever you go with, just do your homework. There are tons of fake Mantles out there including many certified by psa/jsa etc. Check out live.autographmagazine.com They have a big section of Mantle/Dimaggio etc. as these are the most prevelant fakes in the hobby. Dont just pick one up on ebay with a coa. You will get burned.

[Scott]

Alright thanks!

[lobo_hacker]

-Depending on what they sign it with it shouldn't be a problem. I have a Mantle auto on ball with pen and a Mantle auto on photo with marker, both signed in person at a show many moons ago. They both haven't faded a lick, photo in archive frame and ball in a cube.

I'll let ya know which one starts fading first.

Happy hunting.

lobo_hacker

[aggie4ever]

As long as you keep them out of sunlight or UV lighting, either option should be fine. But if you're really worried about fading, then IMO I would lean towards a blue ballpoint pen auto on a baseball fading less than a sharpie auto on a photo.

[SDcardguy24]

"One way to do it and to keep the autograph protected is to spray your baseball with some KRYLON CRYSTAL CLEAR 1301 spray paint. This will keep your autograph from fading away and it will keep baseball that have been signed with a sharpie from bleeding. The late great collector Barry Halper protected all his autograph baseballs this way including his Babe Ruth's, Lou Gehrig's Ty Cobbs, etc.... If you use the Krylon Brand it will not turn your baseballs yellow over time. I have baseballs that were signed 25 - 30 years ago that look like they were taken out of the box and signed today!!! Good Luck and Happy collecting!!!!"

This is from another site by one of the most knowledgeable autograph guys around.

[Joed25]

Originally Posted by callou2131

Whatever you go with, just do your homework. There are tons of fake Mantles out there including many certified by psa/jsa etc. Check out live.autographmagazine.com They have a big section of Mantle/Dimaggio etc. as these are the most prevelant fakes in the hobby. Dont just pick one up on ebay with a coa. You will get burned.

I have bought and sold a few hundred authentic Mickey Mantle signed baseball. I would like to see a PSA certified Mantle baseball that is really fake. There are hundreds on eBay. Please show me one fake.

[Rndm1]

Originally Posted by Scott

I've recently started an autograph memorabilia collection and I am looking to get a Mantle auto. Would I be better off getting a signed photo or baseball? I'm mainly worried that the auto on the ball will fade faster. Let me know!

Considering the fact that we are coming up on 19 years since Mantles passing...if the autograph you are looking at isn’t already showing signs of fading then you'll be in the clear. There are plenty of fade free, beautiful, and bold sigs in circulation still.

But like a previous post said...do your research and be super weary. Don't just buy a mantle autograph because it has a certificate of authenticity. As Tommy Boy put it "If you want me to crap in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I have the time." DO THE RESEARCH.

[SDcardguy24]

Originally Posted by Joed25

I have bought and sold a few hundred authentic Mickey Mantle signed baseball. I would like to see a PSA certified Mantle baseball that is really fake. There are hundreds on eBay. Please show me one fake.

lol aren't you the guy on SCN & SG that only posts asking for opinions on autographs and gets mad when someone says its fake?

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by Joed25

I have bought and sold a few hundred authentic Mickey Mantle signed baseball. I would like to see a PSA certified Mantle baseball that is really fake. There are hundreds on eBay. Please show me one fake.

You are joking arent you? You dont think a company that authenticated a printed Bo Jackson signature on a book could screw up on the most forged autograph in history? This is the same company that authenticated thousands of 8x10s without EVEN LOOKING AT THEM. The same company that has authenticated a Ty Cobb signature that was copied with a laser printer and not even hand written? You really think they could not screw up on a Mantle?

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=11626

[Joed25]

Originally Posted by callou2131

You are joking arent you? You dont think a company that authenticated a printed Bo Jackson signature on a book could screw up on the most forged autograph in history? This is the same company that authenticated thousands of 8x10s without EVEN LOOKING AT THEM. The same company that has authenticated a Ty Cobb signature that was copied with a laser printer and not even hand written? You really think they could not screw up on a Mantle?

Hauls of Shame - Breaking News

You seem you know a thing or two about autographs. Please show me one fake Mickey Mantle or Joe Dimaggio on eBay certified by PSA. There are hundreds. Yes they have made mistakes in the past but overall their record is excellent. Please take up my challenge and show me one!

[callou2131]

Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
This is a great one with tens of thousands of fakes "authenticated" by PSA
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Bunch of forged JSA Babe Ruths
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News

[callou2131]

Mistakes? You think certifying a Ty Cobb autograph printed with a photo copyer is simply a mistake? Wow!
How is this $41,000 mistake? Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
I will keep looking for a fake mantle and dimaggio. Their prices are generally affordable so they dont bring much attention. So you really believe that they have never been wrong on either of these players even when they are wrong on so many others and pretty consistently?

[TXGunslinger]

Originally Posted by SDcardguy24

"One way to do it and to keep the autograph protected is to spray your baseball with some KRYLON CRYSTAL CLEAR 1301 spray paint. This will keep your autograph from fading away and it will keep baseball that have been signed with a sharpie from bleeding. The late great collector Barry Halper protected all his autograph baseballs this way including his Babe Ruth's, Lou Gehrig's Ty Cobbs, etc.... If you use the Krylon Brand it will not turn your baseballs yellow over time. I have baseballs that were signed 25 - 30 years ago that look like they were taken out of the box and signed today!!! Good Luck and Happy collecting!!!!"

This is from another site by one of the most knowledgeable autograph guys around.

Wow I have never heard this before. Has anyone on here tried it?

[callou2131]

Oh joed25 I would almost guaruntee that In this Box of 2,000 photos that were certified authentic by PSA but never even looked at, was a Mantle, and a Dimaggio.
Daniels purchased for nearly $20,000 in a catalog auction from MastroNet in December 2004.

Each photo came with a letter of authenticity from PSA/DNA. But, Daniels claims, some 65% of the photos turned out to be damaged, tattered, torn and creased, with signatures smeared or otherwise illegible. When he asked PSA/DNA about this, he claims, he was told by one of its authenticators that the firm had never actually reviewed the photos. Instead, according to Daniels, PSA/DNA had supplied MastroNet with blank letters of authenticity, leaving it to the auctioneers to fill in the details.

[callou2131]

Then you also have JSA Who is James Spence. He used to work for PSA before starting his own company. He will argue against his own COA! Here is an article where someone took a Mantle autograph already with a jsa letter, took the jsa letter off, put another companies letter on and JSA Found 12 things wrong with the Mantle signature even though they already authenticated it once before. So Is it a fake? Or not? They say it is now. Main thing OP is do your homework. Talk to some people and stay away from ebay.

[callou2131]

Signature Arts, Inc.: James Spence Authentication: Authenticating Memorabilia or Pushing An Agenda? JSA Fails Pieces They Already Certified As Authentic!

[Joed25]

Originally Posted by callou2131

Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
This is a great one with tens of thousands of fakes "authenticated" by PSA
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Bunch of forged JSA Babe Ruths
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News
Hauls of Shame - Breaking News

I guess you can't tell a real Mantle from a fake. That is exactly my point. I laugh when i see posts like this. The inexperienced always scream that Mantle is the most forged signature... But any educated autograph collector could tell a fake Mantle in a second. And of course PSA makes mistakes and I am well aware of HOS website and the crook who runs it. Scott- if you see a Mantle PSA certified baseball 99.9% it's real.

[callou2131]

Absolutley but you always have that .01% that it isnt. Or could it be like one of those pictures that got stickered without ever being seen? Fact is you dont know. That is why I have advised him to do his homework and go by the signature NOT the COA. This goes for all autographs, not just mantle. And yes Mantle is one of the most forged sigs, but most are terrible. Angelo Marino forged tens of thousands of them, they sold tens of thousands of forgeries of him on the home shopping network, and damn near anything with a scaa cert was a florida forgery of either Mantle, Williams, Or Dimaggio. PSA is probablly the best TPA out there, but when you are the best and brightest of the bottom of the barrell, what does it really mean?

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by SDcardguy24

"One way to do it and to keep the autograph protected is to spray your baseball with some KRYLON CRYSTAL CLEAR 1301 spray paint. This will keep your autograph from fading away and it will keep baseball that have been signed with a sharpie from bleeding. The late great collector Barry Halper protected all his autograph baseballs this way including his Babe Ruth's, Lou Gehrig's Ty Cobbs, etc.... If you use the Krylon Brand it will not turn your baseballs yellow over time. I have baseballs that were signed 25 - 30 years ago that look like they were taken out of the box and signed today!!! Good Luck and Happy collecting!!!!"

This is from another site by one of the most knowledgeable autograph guys around.

Originally Posted by TXGunslinger

Wow I have never heard this before. Has anyone on here tried it?

This is interesting. I kind of want to take a couple lower end baseballs I have and try this. I really worry about resale value though. Even if its something I want to keep I alway worry about the "what if" I need to sell someday.

[Joed25]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

This is interesting. I kind of want to take a couple lower end baseballs I have and try this. I really worry about resale value though. Even if its something I want to keep I alway worry about the "what if" I need to sell someday.

It would kill the value of your baseballs. Collectors hate shellack or anything like that.

[SDcardguy24]

They don't have the "look" that the shellacked ones have though. I also wouldn't say it would "kill" the value either.

[Scott]

Thanks for the input guys!