Did I get a Real Mantle Auto or Not?

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 05:40 PM

I grabbed two Mantle photos/posters with Mantle Autos and another Koufax at a local auction/sale. Grabbed all three for $80 thinking maybe they were legit. One has a scoreboard authentication... Was curious if they look real and if $80 was a decent price for the lot.

Ivanrf1 · 03-09-2013, 05:41 PM

The look legit, the koufax looks fishy to me but im not an expert

MarshallCutler6 · 03-09-2013, 05:47 PM

Mantles look legit to me, however Id get someone that knows a bit more to check them out.

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MarshallCutler6

Mantles look legit to me, however Id get someone that knows a bit more to check them out.

Appreciate the look. Do you know how much this type of memorabilia goes for? I am only somewhat familiar with prices on signed baseballs.

SDcardguy24 · 03-09-2013, 05:54 PM

Is that a Goldin COA with the Mantle?

bogeyfreeround · 03-09-2013, 05:56 PM

who authenticated them?

Imac7065 · 03-09-2013, 05:56 PM

I am not going to say either way .... but think to yourself.. If something is too good to be true... (finish the rest)

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SDcardguy24

Is that a Goldin COA with the Mantle?

The CoA is from scoreboard I believe.

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bogeyfreeround

who authenticated them?

The CoA is from Scoreboard.

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Imac7065

I am not going to say either way .... but think to yourself.. If something is too good to be true... (finish the rest)

Well, everything in that auction from furniture to piano's were selling for nothing, the place was empty this weekend. I also don't know how much they should be going for so I am not sure how to gauge your answer.

wickedliquids · 03-09-2013, 06:01 PM

Scoreboard has been known to sell fake autos in the past. Most of the time when their stuff shows up on eBay it gets taken down fairly quick. Don't trust scoreboard products. EVER.

Imac7065 · 03-09-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boardermartin

The CoA is from scoreboard I believe.

scoreboard is goldin.. if it's Ken Goldin.. 100% fake.. if its Paul Goldin.. only a 50% chance it's fake.

SDcardguy24 · 03-09-2013, 06:04 PM

Those Goldin (ScoreBoard) COAs were perfect for forgers. I think the legit COAs were not white like that, but more tan, and they did NOT have a hologram like that Mantle has.

Imac7065 · 03-09-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wickedliquids

Scoreboard has been known to sell fake autos in the past. Most of the time when their stuff shows up on eBay it gets taken down fairly quick. Don't trust scoreboard products. EVER.

not 100% true.. if you have an item that was manufactured by score board pre ken taking over (they have a huge line of limited star trek stuff) it's all good... it's when Ken Goldin took over (and another person I would only name in a PM) that the fake crap started. Very telling that he closed his father's business but opened "Goldin Auctions" not long after.

Jcorri7068 · 03-09-2013, 06:06 PM

There all 100% real

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SDcardguy24

Those Goldin (ScoreBoard) COAs were perfect for forgers. I think the legit COAs were not white like that, but more tan, and they did NOT have a hologram like that Mantle has.

The hologram isn't actually on the CoA it is the auction sticker on the plastic wrapping.

ohiomike · 03-09-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by boardermartin

The CoA is from Scoreboard.

Scoreboard COA doesn't mean its fake, but its the COA that a lot of counterfeits have been issued with. Their COA is very generic, and thats the problem. For example, say a legit scoreboard COA'd item is authenticated by PSA/DNA. There is really no need for the scoreboard COA to remain with the piece, so a 2nd item could be forged and put out into the market with a Scoreboard COA that never belonged with the item. On top of that and perhaps the more common problem, the COA itself is very easily duplicated and altered, and so lots of bogus items have entered the market along with bogus Scoreboard COA's, but you'd never know the difference.

So essentially, a score board COA is meaningless now. Plenty of legit items were issued with a score board COA, but it was/is the preferred choice for scamming for a long stretch when the company had a better reputation and people wouldn't question a COA from them.

boardermartin · 03-09-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ohiomike

Scoreboard COA doesn't mean its fake, but its the COA that a lot of counterfeits have been issued with. Their COA is very generic, and thats the problem. For example, say a legit scoreboard COA'd item is authenticated by PSA/DNA. There is really no need for the scoreboard COA to remain with the piece, so a 2nd item could be forged and put out into the market with a Scoreboard COA that never belonged with the item. On top of that and perhaps the more common problem, the COA itself is very easily duplicated and altered, and so lots of bogus items have entered the market along with bogus Scoreboard COA's, but you'd never know the difference.

So essentially, a score board COA is meaningless now. Plenty of legit items were issued with a score board COA, but it was/is the preferred choice for scamming for a long stretch when the company had a better reputation and people wouldn't question a COA from them.

Gotcha, very helpful answer. I didn't really expect to hear I had gotten a good deal. And the other two don't have CoAs so I was hoping to just see if people thought they looked real enough to spend the money on sending to PSA or something. Thank you for the solid explanation on scoreboard.

csmtampa · 03-09-2013, 06:29 PM

All three are fake and originate from S. FL. They won't pass PSA/DNA or JSA because they are garbage. The Scoreboard certs are fake and Scoreboard never used a hologram.

These are flooding your local auction houses by the hundreds. Luckily some people on Net54 have been contacting them and getting the word out.

Avoid if you don't like to own fakes.

Buy them if you are an idiot.

Edit - just saw you bought them. Good luck

RRhodes4 · 03-09-2013, 06:30 PM

have two balls, and an 8"x10" signed by Mantle. Those look exactly the same, would gamble with paying for authenticating. The Koufax could be OK, if I was betting, would say no. Have a ball and an 8"x10" from him, there are a couple of major differences in mine and that one.

03-09-2013, 05:40 PM	#1
boardermartin Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 613 cubsmartin	Did I get a Real Mantle Auto or Not? I grabbed two Mantle photos/posters with Mantle Autos and another Koufax at a local auction/sale. Grabbed all three for $80 thinking maybe they were legit. One has a scoreboard authentication... Was curious if they look real and if $80 was a decent price for the lot. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Collecting Travis Wood cards & memorabilia with my son. Always looking to trade for signed baseballs.

03-09-2013, 05:41 PM	#2
Ivanrf1 Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Denver CO Posts: 1,516 zaporozhets	The look legit, the koufax looks fishy to me but im not an expert __________________ CMB http://ivanrf1.imgur.com/ Collect Ryan Tannehill, Jack Youngblood "Is that a Cam Newton in your pants or are you just happy to see me?" -tnarg Pending Deals:

03-09-2013, 05:47 PM	#3
MarshallCutler6 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 9,922	Mantles look legit to me, however Id get someone that knows a bit more to check them out. __________________ Adbert Alzolay collector. Collect cubs bears and current/former Hawkeyes

03-09-2013, 05:56 PM	#6
bogeyfreeround Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: West Michigan Lakeshore Posts: 1,259	who authenticated them? __________________ Collect all sports looking for aj pollock andre drummond and charles woodson and many more!!

03-09-2013, 06:29 PM	#19
csmtampa Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,279	All three are fake and originate from S. FL. They won't pass PSA/DNA or JSA because they are garbage. The Scoreboard certs are fake and Scoreboard never used a hologram. These are flooding your local auction houses by the hundreds. Luckily some people on Net54 have been contacting them and getting the word out. Avoid if you don't like to own fakes. Buy them if you are an idiot. Edit - just saw you bought them. Good luck Last edited by csmtampa; 03-09-2013 at 06:42 PM.

03-09-2013, 05:54 PM	#5
SDcardguy24 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9,265	Is that a Goldin COA with the Mantle?

03-09-2013, 05:56 PM	#7
Imac7065 Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 5,443 Imac7065	I am not going to say either way .... but think to yourself.. If something is too good to be true... (finish the rest)

03-09-2013, 06:01 PM	#11
wickedliquids Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,192 marvjung	Scoreboard has been known to sell fake autos in the past. Most of the time when their stuff shows up on eBay it gets taken down fairly quick. Don't trust scoreboard products. EVER.

03-09-2013, 06:04 PM	#13
SDcardguy24 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9,265	Those Goldin (ScoreBoard) COAs were perfect for forgers. I think the legit COAs were not white like that, but more tan, and they did NOT have a hologram like that Mantle has.

03-09-2013, 06:06 PM	#15
Jcorri7068 Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 63	There all 100% real

03-09-2013, 06:30 PM	#20
RRhodes4 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7 brett3000	Mantles look good, Koufax is iffy have two balls, and an 8"x10" signed by Mantle. Those look exactly the same, would gamble with paying for authenticating. The Koufax could be OK, if I was betting, would say no. Have a ball and an 8"x10" from him, there are a couple of major differences in mine and that one.