Marvel Masterpieces Dan Dos Santos Art Book (Kickstarter)

[PurplesaurusRex]

This popped up in my e-mail and wanted to spread the word. We are getting a hardcover art book for MM '22. Here's the kickstarter link:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...re/description

[fabiani12333]

Saw that -- not interested.

[Xazark]

I backed it, his art is incredible. It's a diff company doing the book, but if I hear "We have been in this business for 30 years...." line again from these guys I'm gunna laugh my head off!

[fabiani12333]

I feel like this campaign is going to have a much smaller group of backers compared Jusko's '92 MM book, due in large part to how exclusionary '22 MM was. You had the secret pre-release party hosted by Dos Santos where artwork was sold to select guests. You had the $800 box price at release. You had the marketing done primarily by influencers on YouTube opening boxes before collectors were able to. You also had Dos Santos' Patreon exclusives.

Compare that to '92 MM, which had 350k boxes produced and sold to the general public in stores nationwide, during the height of the non-sport trading card boom in the early 90s. Jusko's artwork for the set is also iconic and more known.

There is just no comparison, honestly.

[Vecchio1]

There is Jusko, Jim Lee, and Vallejo/Bell then everyone else. (Honorable mention Hildebrant bros and 1995 Nelson)

Great set for sure. Best MM since 2015/16. I'll probably just get the basic hardcover. The price point and Wolverine base were the huge let down in this set for me.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Vecchio1

There is Jusko, Jim Lee, and Vallejo/Bell then everyone else. (Honorable mention Hildebrant bros and 1995 Nelson)

Great set for sure. Best MM since 2015/16. I'll probably just get the basic hardcover. The price point and Wolverine base were the huge let down in this set for me.

Yeah, the Wolverine was a weak concept -- he's basically just standing with his claws at his sides and his knees slightly bent. No action. No cool superhero pose. Just standing.

Presumably, Marvel or Upper Deck forced Santos to edit out the arrows in Wolverine's back, the cuts on his leg and chest, and the blood on his claws -- it made a big difference: https://fanboyfactor.com/wp-content/...iniprints2.jpg

[DynaEtch]

And here we goooooooo. Having some intense flashbacks to the Jusko project, haha.

In all seriousness, with the new company I imagine this may be a smoother ride (hopefully). I did back it, at the “Works” tier…which surprisingly wasn’t as much as I was anticipating at $360.

I wanted to do the sketch tier, but only 10 slots?? And sold out of course already by the time I checked it on the first day the project dropped on kickstarter. I assume people in the know may have had some heads up/forewarning, wouldnt be surprised. I think it was like $1150ish for the sketch tier which isn’t horrible. The OA tier in the Jusko project being $2.5k (and lots more slots of those open…124).

[DynaEtch]

I will say the quality of book looks pretty fantastic from the images…I’m excited about it.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

And here we goooooooo. Having some intense flashbacks to the Jusko project, haha.

In all seriousness, with the new company I imagine this may be a smoother ride (hopefully). I did back it, at the “Works” tier…which surprisingly wasn’t as much as I was anticipating at $360.

I wanted to do the sketch tier, but only 10 slots?? And sold out of course already by the time I checked it on the first day the project dropped on kickstarter. I assume people in the know may have had some heads up/forewarning, wouldnt be surprised. I think it was like $1150ish for the sketch tier which isn’t horrible. The OA tier in the Jusko project being $2.5k (and lots more slots of those open…124).

Yeah, that's a better price. But I'm guessing they won't be as detailed as Jusko's, who did a good job recreating the original paintings (minus the backgrounds, of course).

'22 MM left a bad taste in my mouth. So, I really have interest in backing this book. But as a MM completionist, you are basically forced to get it.

[fabiani12333]

Another factor that might limit the demand for this campaign is the fact that Dos Santos isn't a well-known artist in the comic book world. Jusko had done comic book covers for Marvel prior to being hired to do '92 MM. And someone like Simone Bianchi was an established comic book artist when he was hired to do '18 MM. So, unless Dos Santos has a big cult following from his MM work, this probably won't be a big release.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yeah, that's a better price. But I'm guessing they won't be as detailed as Jusko's, who did a good job recreating the original paintings (minus the backgrounds, of course).

'22 MM left a bad taste in my mouth. So, I really have interest in backing this book. But as a MM completionist, you are basically forced to get it.

Oh yea it’s basically obligatory as a MM completionist, but I think it looks like a pretty high quality book and for the price point I’m happy to add this one.

It’s true Jusko’s were actually small paintings, whereas these look more like head sketches. But the price reflects it at least at just half the price. With just 10 though…man, may as well be a non-factor.

There are aspects of MM22 that I was also very much not a fan of- the exclusivity of much of it- like that private gallery and first dibs at OA for a select few. And it continued with other aspects of MM22. I did not like that….but the set itself I liked. And unlike the FPG Jusko book where the original painting scans were almost possible to track down and I’m pretty sure they didn’t with many (hence the lower quality images of several in the book)…the scans for the recent MM22 set I’m sure are readily available and we should have nice high res images of them in the larger page format.

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Another factor that might limit the demand for this campaign is the fact that Dos Santos isn't a well-known artist in the comic book world. Jusko had done comic book covers for Marvel prior to being hired to do '92 MM. And someone like Simone Bianchi was an established comic book artist when he was hired to do '18 MM. So, unless Dos Santos has a big cult following from his MM work, this probably won't be a big release.

I think while the Jusko project had a huge amount of backers from all across the comic art spectrum including people not into cards at all…this one indeed probably appeals mostly to card people. Within the marvel card circle this set is huge though, with most on the Marvel card FB groups very excited about it. But yea you likely won’t get the larger general comic audience compared to Jusko.

[DynaEtch]

So with a MM22 book in the works…we already have a MM16 book by IDW, and Bianchi released his own book for MM18 out of Italy. Still waiting on Dave Palumbo to do anything in terms of a book for MM20…just something! And also Grego’s 2024MM set but that just came out. Let’s get a MM book for each set 2016-2024….

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

So with a MM22 book in the works…we already have a MM16 book by IDW, and Bianchi released his own book for MM18 out of Italy. Still waiting on Dave Palumbo to do anything in terms of a book for MM20…just something! And also Grego’s 2024MM set but that just came out. Let’s get a MM book for each set 2016-2024….

Is there a book with all of Julie's and Boris' '96 MM paintings? I want that so bad -- they are such talented artists and their paintings were stunning for Marvel artwork.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Is there a book with all of Julie's and Boris' '96 MM paintings? I want that so bad -- they are such talented artists and their paintings were stunning for Marvel artwork.

Yep…well it wasn’t just specifically 96MM but they have an art book with a lot of their fantasy art, including most pieces from 96MM in it….but several are depicted smaller- like 1/3rd to half a page, while others basically a full page…so kind of varies the size of the art in it. Three different covers of this book…I believe it’s US edition, UK edition, and France edition…same book/art inside.







The list of MM books:

1992: Kickstarter FPG book
1993: None (multi artist set)
1994: IDW Marvel Art of Hildebrandts book
1995: None (wish there was a book for this)
1996: Titans book (see above)

2007-2008: None (base sets were old art from multi artists)
2016: IDW Jusko book
2018: Bianchi book (I believe self-published)
2020: None
2022: Kickstarter Clover Press Art book
2024: None

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Yep…well it wasn’t just specifically 96MM but they have an art book with a lot of their fantasy art, including most pieces from 96MM in it….but several are depicted smaller- like 1/3rd to half a page, while others basically a full page…so kind of varies the size of the art in it. Three different covers of this book…I believe it’s US edition, UK edition, and France edition…same book/art inside.

I remember you mentioning those -- brutal that they aren't full-page printings.

It's a shame that arguably the best artwork in the entire MM line doesn't have a book dedicated to it. The painting are probably impossible to track down now just like Jusko's'92 paintings. Oh well...

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I remember you mentioning those -- brutal that they aren't full-page printings.

It's a shame that arguably the best artwork in the entire MM line doesn't have a book dedicated to it. The painting are probably impossible to track down now just like Jusko's'92 paintings. Oh well...

True they are now at this point no doubt. But many are at least most of a page in the book- see some examples above

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

True they are now at this point no doubt. But many are at least most of a page in the book- see some examples above

Okay, thanks -- I might check it out.

[Vecchio1]

[Vecchio1]

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Vecchio1

Nice collection!

[Vecchio1]

Thank Dyna.

Julie did work on 1995 fleer X-Men as well.

[Xazark]

We just wanted to hop in here to assure everyone that design is progressing at a decent pace. We're running a little bit behind as we balance getting these files ready for review, and preparing to fulfill another outstanding campaign that many of you have been eagerly awaiting.

We appreciate your patience, and more so your support, on these projects. We treat each one as an extra special project, working directly with the artists to bring their vision to life. These books are special to them (and us), and we really don't want to rush these. That said, we should probably extend out the expected delivery date from the beginning, to provide us the time we need.

Many of you who have backed any of our previous projects know that it's worth the wait. Still, we hate running late, and strive to improve that with each project we create.

Dan's provided us access to so much of his amazing work.

Oh no..... All they are missing is the famous line "We have been in business for over 30 years...."

[fabiani12333]

Huh -- the Kickstarter page shows Santos' X-23 and Psylocke paintings side-by-side and they look like the same exact person:

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Huh -- the Kickstarter page shows Santos' X-23 and Psylocke paintings side-by-side and they look like the same exact person:

maybe sinister use pyslocke dna to fill in the blanks like in jurrasic park and the frogs

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Xazark

Oh no..... All they are missing is the famous line "We have been in business for over 30 years...."

Haha…I’m starting to think these kickstarters are all the same. This I don’t have nearly as much at stake as the OA Jusko project pledges, so havent been following it as much. I will say it’s super early yet just a few months out, and glad they at least updated it.

I basically no longer take anything said by any creator on Kickstarter at face value, thanks to the FPG project. Saying surveys will go out this month or next month etc….it all doesnt mean anything anymore.