Alexander Ovechkin Market

[TOOF7LTHY Cards]

Have you guys noticed prices have gone down a lot since the end of last season. I am seeing the same patch autos of crosby and ovi similar patches where the ovi use to sell for a lot more then crosby and now they are about the same? I also keep hearing random say ovi isn't canadian or american so no one is going to care about his cards when he retires. Why does nationality matter when your the greatest goal scorer of all time? Wondering if people have a take on his market or some insight. Me I am buying a few multi color patch autos of ovi right now because the prices seem crazy low.

[FatButcher]

The Ovi market was inflated after the goal record, it was always going to come back to normal which is slightly behind Crosby.

For whatever reason nationality does seem to impact things, though it makes no difference to me. If you're an Ovi guy enjoy the great value on cool patches!

[jmarascojr]

There isn't anything more for him to do at this point that will bump the value of his cards.

He broke the record, got a bump, got to 900, got a bump...

He won't be playing for a Cup this year and he's not playing in the Olympics.
So it's pretty much Hall of Fame bump and that's it.

I just traded out of my PSA 10 Young Guns Ovi when he went over 900, my hope it to get into a 9 at some point.

[TOOF7LTHY Cards]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

There isn't anything more for him to do at this point that will bump the value of his cards.

He broke the record, got a bump, got to 900, got a bump...

He won't be playing for a Cup this year and he's not playing in the Olympics.
So it's pretty much Hall of Fame bump and that's it.

I just traded out of my PSA 10 Young Guns Ovi when he went over 900, my hope it to get into a 9 at some point.

Yeah but he the greatest goal scorer of all time. Maybe long term he will get value with the right high end cards. I bought a ovi yg 9.5 for pretty cheap in the off szn I just picked up a beautiful 3 color patch auto from the cup for pretty dang cheap compared to a year ago. Im happy buying ovi right now seems like a value play long term.

[FatButcher]

Maybe think of it like baseball. Hank Aaron is the all time home run leader (non-steroid division), but he is far from the biggest hobby market of vintage stars. Mantle, Mays, Ruth, Nolan Ryan all are well ahead in value despite Aaron holding the most iconic career mark for a very long time.

[ThatGuyPal]

Undercover racists must think card collectors aren’t worldwide lol it’s true North Americans won’t care as much but that’s like saying if Shohei had no American market he’s done for, I think people in Japan would still pay for his cards lol there’s guys who have done nothing in leagues snd come from a specific place and still sell well cause that place may not have a ton of players in the league.

Other points are valid, it was bound to go down after the record bump. That’s why I never get buying at the height, even Matthews prob got a boost scoring all those goals but at some point it’ll come down but no one waits

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by TOOF7LTHY Cards

Yeah but he the greatest goal scorer of all time. Maybe long term he will get value with the right high end cards. I bought a ovi yg 9.5 for pretty cheap in the off szn I just picked up a beautiful 3 color patch auto from the cup for pretty dang cheap compared to a year ago. Im happy buying ovi right now seems like a value play long term.

Don’t disagree but no one inside NA is gonna hear anyone but Gretzky record or not. That’s where the slight racism comes in lol

[stoopid]

Is being Russian a "race"? Most Russians in hockey are white as they snow they grew up playing in as kids.

Ovi had his moment in the sun. I'm not even sure in hindsight 20 years from now that he'll be thought of above Sid. What he did was noteworthy, but the equivalent of a one trick pony in hockey. He played decently on the defensive side, randomly made some nice plays but was mostly powerplay dot monster. If rando hockey fan me thinks this, I'm sure I'm not alone. I'd personally take any same Sid rookie over an Ovi any day. Again, if I'm thinking that then there must be others maybe many others who think the same.

[JECpsu]

Originally Posted by stoopid

Is being Russian a "race"? Most Russians in hockey are white as they snow they grew up playing in as kids.

Ovi had his moment in the sun. I'm not even sure in hindsight 20 years from now that he'll be thought of above Sid. What he did was noteworthy, but the equivalent of a one trick pony in hockey. He played decently on the defensive side, randomly made some nice plays but was mostly powerplay dot monster. If rando hockey fan me thinks this, I'm sure I'm not alone. I'd personally take any same Sid rookie over an Ovi any day. Again, if I'm thinking that then there must be others maybe many others who think the same.

I don't think more than 20% of current hockey fans would think of him as above Sid at all? Maybe as a pure goal scorer, but Sid higher on the all-time player list - more playoff success (Ovi only has made it past the 2nd round once) & thought of as a better all around player/leader. That is reflected in the long term pricing between the two. (Plus the Canadian market bump for his international career)

[glen87]

as a caps fan since the beginning, i would have much rather had sid than ovechkin

i do not collect or buy any of his cards

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by stoopid

Is being Russian a "race"? Most Russians in hockey are white as they snow they grew up playing in as kids.

Ovi had his moment in the sun. I'm not even sure in hindsight 20 years from now that he'll be thought of above Sid. What he did was noteworthy, but the equivalent of a one trick pony in hockey. He played decently on the defensive side, randomly made some nice plays but was mostly powerplay dot monster. If rando hockey fan me thinks this, I'm sure I'm not alone. I'd personally take any same Sid rookie over an Ovi any day. Again, if I'm thinking that then there must be others maybe many others who think the same.

I’d really hope one knows racism extends beyond just skin color.

Let’s be honest if you flip Sid and Ovi’s careers Sid would sell for way more than Ovi does now and Ovi would sell for less than Sid does now. It’s a bit tongue in cheek but acting like nationality plays zero role is naive to me. Most people in this thread are North American and it’s all downing Ovi lol I doubt it’s the same if this was a Russian board. In regards to that no one is saying it’s one sided I’m sure in Russia they hold Sid in much less regard and Ovi way higher

All I’m saying is same achievements Crosby is gonna still be more popular, same as Kaprizov could become as good as McDavid tomorrow (he won’t) and McDavid will be more popular. You can bring up Stanley Cups but McDavid and Matthews both have zero and are doing great value wise and will continue to cup or not .

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

I’d really hope one knows racism extends beyond just skin color.

Being Russian is a nationality, not a race. Anymore than being American is not a race.

What you state that Ovi is likely more popular in Russia or Europe is a product of nationality/proximity bias.

The term you're looking for, when someone dislikes someone just because of their country of origin, is xenophobia. It's a (different) form of prejudice, like racism or sexism.

[Inferno]

As with most of the hobby especially when it comes to active players: the market runs on hype cycles and Ovie’s has come and gone. Now he’s old news again and everybody is overpaying for Celebrini cards. None of this has ever been very logical and the masses never learn.

[ThatGuyPal]

Ovi with the game-winner last night! Lol

[ZappBrannigan]

Nobody cares what OVI is doing, he could score another 500 goals and his cards will keep dropping. In other related Russian news, Nail Yakupovs Young Gun is selling close to the same as Jason Robertson. Invest.

[mortuus]

Originally Posted by ZappBrannigan

Nobody cares what OVI is doing, he could score another 500 goals and his cards will keep dropping. In other related Russian news, Nail Yakupovs Young Gun is selling close to the same as Jason Robertson. Invest.

Nobody cares for russians after putins crazy war that is still ongoing... so to hell with them.

[TOOF7LTHY Cards]

People hating on Ovi for being born in Russia is insane lol. Man is killing it at age 40 off subway and hot cheetos. True legend. Goat ��.

[brettmik59]

It's pretty simple, Crosby is overvalued compared to Ovi because he's Canadian and most hockey card collectors are Canadian. Card values have never been fully logical. There's an element of emotion and nostalgia that plays into it.

[JECpsu]

He'll always take a hit because of hit playoff downtrends.

Sid - PPG Reg Season 1.24 / Playoffs 1.12 (-9%)
Geno - PPG Reg Season 1.11 / Playoffs 1.02 (-8%)
Kuch - PPG Reg Season 1.22 / Playoffs 0.91 (-8%)
Ovi - PPG Reg Season 1.09 / Playoffs 1.12 (-16%)

It gets harder to score in the playoffs, but he really has dropped off at times & paired w/ the Caps underperforming VS the regular season more often than not it will keep him lower on the all time lists. (added Kuch because he is active player 3rd all time in playoff scoring as a reference - also McDavid is an absurd 1.56 playoff PPG)

[FatButcher]

Originally Posted by JECpsu

He'll always take a hit because of hit playoff downtrends.

Sid - PPG Reg Season 1.24 / Playoffs 1.12 (-9%)
Geno - PPG Reg Season 1.11 / Playoffs 1.02 (-8%)
Kuch - PPG Reg Season 1.22 / Playoffs 0.91 (-8%)
Ovi - PPG Reg Season 1.09 / Playoffs 1.12 (-16%)

It gets harder to score in the playoffs, but he really has dropped off at times & paired w/ the Caps underperforming VS the regular season more often than not it will keep him lower on the all time lists. (added Kuch because he is active player 3rd all time in playoff scoring as a reference - also McDavid is an absurd 1.56 playoff PPG)

Think you missed the number, Ovechkin has 0.91 PPG Playoffs. Your point stands correct though.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by FatButcher

Think you missed the number, Ovechkin has 0.91 PPG Playoffs. Your point stands correct though.

Kuch and Ovi playoff% appear to be swapped.

[JECpsu]

Originally Posted by FatButcher

Think you missed the number, Ovechkin has 0.91 PPG Playoffs. Your point stands correct though.

yep - added him last second when I was surprised how high he was on the playoff PPG list - def a big moment guy!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by TOOF7LTHY Cards

People hating on Ovi for being born in Russia is insane lol. Man is killing it at age 40 off subway and hot cheetos. True legend. Goat ��.

A certain Russian leader isn't helping with those optics right now.

[TOOF7LTHY Cards]

I took everyone's unintentional advise and got my self a crosby patch auto to go with my ovis. I only own ovi cards but now I have kid canada. If I can figure out how to add a image I will lol

[TOOF7LTHY Cards]

Here we are.