Last year's rookie class

[comicbooksgo]

Went Wemby crazy with Select this year. Only hit a couple of decent ones, but ended up with a bunch of other guys..Just got some PSA grades, and did ok on some rookies.
What do you guys think of these guys going forward? Andre Jackson followed me around, and I'm not even going to post a Maxence Prosper since I'm pretty sure I pulled a parallel of his every other box.

[Gem10collection]

Brandon Miller is flying under the radar.

[comicbooksgo]

Any thoughts on the guys from my first post?

[Nomad]

From my brief recollection of the one and done playoffs. Andre Jackson is like a breath of fresh air in a grim Bucks organization. If he had the right support, could flourish.

Unfortunately, the team will probably be built around Giannis. No knock against Dame, but the initial foray into chess move generalship was a bust.

[dunkindutchmen]

Scoot is the only one there with any real chance at moving the needle. He's got the strength and upper-tier athleticism to make noise if he ever figures out the technical side.

Lively is projecting to be a new-age Tyson Chandler of sorts. Maybe he adds the 3-point shot at some point and becomes a low 30s shooter but his offensive role is always going to be very limited with 2 elite one-on-one players and a shot-seeking Klay Thompson.
So he'll maybe get bumps in his value if they are really good and he got better over the summer but the ceiling here is very low.

Bates can not guard anyone. Has an iso skillset but can't score with any efficiency. If he added 20 lbs and got a new outlook on things, sure, maybe something to hold and see.

Jackson is a clunky big guard who doesn't really excel in any one area, he's got career or fringe role player written all over him.

[jcardstore]

Emoni Bates - not an NBA caliber player, might never be.

Andre Jackson - not enough sample size to even speculate on a ceiling, not gonna be hobby relevant this season so I wouldn’t be buying

Scoot - truly awful rookie season. At least has the archetype of a high scoring hobby favorite. I was high on him coming out of the draft but really disappointed watching him so we will see this season. Worth a gamble

Lively - a non scoring, non playmaking, defensive big. No thanks. Good real life player but I don’t see any hobby upside

[Nomad]

I dont think most of us have watched enough Hornets ball to comment, but anyone with an in-depth reason of why one should care about Miller?

What about that Warriors guy that Keane is keen on... Trace something?

[cms11]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Scoot is the only one there with any real chance at moving the needle. He's got the strength and upper-tier athleticism to make noise if he ever figures out the technical side.

Lively is projecting to be a new-age Tyson Chandler of sorts. Maybe he adds the 3-point shot at some point and becomes a low 30s shooter but his offensive role is always going to be very limited with 2 elite one-on-one players and a shot-seeking Klay Thompson.
So he'll maybe get bumps in his value if they are really good and he got better over the summer but the ceiling here is very low.

Bates can not guard anyone. Has an iso skillset but can't score with any efficiency. If he added 20 lbs and got a new outlook on things, sure, maybe something to hold and see.

Jackson is a clunky big guard who doesn't really excel in any one area, he's got career or fringe role player written all over him.

Agree, huge upside but could definitely end up a bust.

[comicbooksgo]

Hey everyone, thanks for the insight. Truly appreciated!!

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Gem10collection

Brandon Miller is flying under the radar.

He really isn’t. There are a lot of people who are buying him. Jordan Miller is a different story.

[jhssketchcards]

I remember when people wrote off Haliburton, Bane and even Zion. I’m not saying they have become Hobby gods but they have certainly proven critics wrong. Same for Brunson, Shai and Jamal Murray. Some guys just take a few years to figure it out.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I remember when people wrote off Haliburton, Bane and even Zion. I’m not saying they have become Hobby gods but they have certainly proven critics wrong. Same for Brunson, Shai and Jamal Murray. Some guys just take a few years to figure it out.


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Coming in here and listing some random guys and then comparing them to the players in this thread is not relevant and not helpful. If you want to be successful at prospecting you need to look at each player individually. Saying that "X player took years to develop" applies to no-one except that specific player

People wrote off Zion and were 100% correct. If you held Zion you'd have been crushed.

Desmond Bane has 0 hobby hype at all. Maybe there was a short window to cash in but that's long gone

Did people make money on Haliburton? He's in a hobby dead market

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Coming in here and listing some random guys and then comparing them to the players in this thread is not relevant and not helpful. If you want to be successful at prospecting you need to look at each player individually. Saying that "X player took years to develop" applies to no-one except that specific player

People wrote off Zion and were 100% correct. If you held Zion you'd have been crushed.

Desmond Bane has 0 hobby hype at all. Maybe there was a short window to cash in but that's long gone

Did people make money on Haliburton? He's in a hobby dead market

Thanks. Next time I want to post something I will PM you and make sure it meets your approval. You and others like you are what’s wrong with the “hobby”. People should be allowed to have opinions without having people like you crap all over it just because you think you have a bigger brain or some sort of hobby god status. These boards are open to anyone who wants to post. Deal with it. What I said is an observation.
People compare every prospects to other NBA players all the time. He’s the “next” this guy or that guy. Don’t pretend like they don’t.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Thanks. Next time I want to post something I will PM you and make sure it meets your approval. You and others like you are what’s wrong with the “hobby”. People should be allowed to have opinions without having people like you crap all over it just because you think you have a bigger brain or some sort of hobby god status. These boards are open to anyone who wants to post. Deal with it. What I said is an observation.
People compare every prospects to other NBA players all the time. He’s the “next” this guy or that guy. Don’t pretend like they don’t.


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Nobody said you can't have an opinion.

Your post added 0 content to this thread.

Saying that there are guys who exceeded expectations is worthless. Thanks captain obvious

and people wonder why they have massive boxes full of "prospects" who obviously weren't good players. but yea tell me how Giannis or Kawhi became great players lmao

[jcardstore]

Did you guys know Kevin Knox is only 25? I hear he's still got potential

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

People wrote off Zion and were 100% correct. If you held Zion you'd have been crushed.

Desmond Bane has 0 hobby hype at all. Maybe there was a short window to cash in but that's long gone

Did people make money on Haliburton? He's in a hobby dead market

To be fair, a lot depends on the next couple seasons. A slimmed down Zion and a performance that brought Pels to playoff victory, a resurgent Grizz with bane equal to Ja, would change the arithmetic in a heartbeat. So much stock that people want any chance to pump and recoup losses on.

Indiana is gonna be in 14 nationally televised games this year, they're having a moment (second game against Knicks will be a big one, can't believe that wasn't an opening night selection). Also they will be in Paris as a foil to Wemby and expect IST greatness. Ty may not be the face if he has to hug the bench with injury (rewatching the Celtics series, I think they can still compete highly without him), but would at least keep his prices steady. Being in every single insert set for last four years almost guarantees that.

[boxbuster7]

Scoot has potential - the rest are role players imo

[kipgen]

I think we already discussed GG Jackson in the other thread but he's my sleeper pick for last class (sort of sleeper, he's already expensive-ish but I think he has the highest ceiling of any non-wemby player)

[hche]

Cam Whitmore is supposed to be good and he looked decent when played last season. BUT there are a lot of guys competing for minutes in Houston (Green, Brooks, Thompson,
Sheppard, Smith, etc.), not sure if he will even make the regular rotation or not.

[messier2]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I think we already discussed GG Jackson in the other thread but he's my sleeper pick for last class (sort of sleeper, he's already expensive-ish but I think he has the highest ceiling of any non-wemby player)

Be careful with a player with a screw in his foot and where his game involves a lot of jumping and slashing, etc. You can thank me later...

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by hche

Cam Whitmore is supposed to be good and he looked decent when played last season. BUT there are a lot of guys competing for minutes in Houston (Green, Brooks, Thompson,
Sheppard, Smith, etc.), not sure if he will even make the regular rotation or not.

Cam Whitmore is definitely explosive on offense and exciting to watch which is why I think he gets a lot of hobby love, he also has a higher ceiling than a player like Amen who is a better all-around player but isn't really a playmaker and also can't shoot the ball at all. Currently Amen is ahead of Cam in the depth chart but if Cam takes another step towards being more efficient next year I could see him starting in the future while Amen plays a sixth man type role.

I wouldn't worry about Brooks or FVV too much when you think about things, they're pretty clearly placeholders while our core develops.

I spoke on this in the other thread and I hold a big bag for him so I am biased but for me Sengun is the star player on the team and the sky's the limit for him. Jalen Green is at times amazing and completely mediocre at others. If he keeps that up but still expects a huge contract next year it'll depend on how well Reed Sheppard performs whether or not he actually gets it. If Reed is good, we let Jalen walk, if not, we probably hold onto him.

Final note but for what Cam has done so far I think he's a little overpriced. I'd wait and see what he does this year before sinking any kind of serious money into him. He also doesn't sign for Panini which is disappointing.

[BaseRookieCards]

Lively definitely looks the part, but what he does well, the hobby will never appreciate. Great real-life player - physical rim protector with a large wingspan and high motor. Someone you want on your NBA team but don't seek out for your collection.

[BaseRookieCards]

Originally Posted by hche

Cam Whitmore is supposed to be good and he looked decent when played last season. BUT there are a lot of guys competing for minutes in Houston (Green, Brooks, Thompson,
Sheppard, Smith, etc.), not sure if he will even make the regular rotation or not.

I think if you're in on Whitmore, and I can see why you would be - you should wait until later this year or next offseason. The dude has exceptional range/size/athleticism combo even if he needs a little more polish. His transition game is excellent, in my opinion, but he tends to hold the ball too often and when he does look to pass, it's a turnover waiting to happen.

But he'll be in a dogfight for rotation minutes with this team right now so I'm thinking prices will come down a little once the season starts and he's not taking on huge minutes. Then you hope for a trade that opens a spot for him or a new role on another team. Either way, I agree he's not looking at huge minutes right now.

[jcardstore]

I doubt Whitmore plays enough to be hobby relevant this season

[The_Reverend]

Whitmore has the skills, but a lot on mouths to feed minutes to. I focused heavily, but inexpensive on Jordan Miller. His intangibles are good and his summer league, I know most discount it, shows he has the tools. He was a beast in Miami and one of the primary reasons they made the Elite 8, final 4. He will get minutes with the departure of PG and Russ. The other major thing is, Limited true rc cards.