Rather have an 8/9 or a 6/10?

Nomad · 07-18-2024, 11:15 PM

So this thing I found on my feed yesterday and already lost track of posed a pretty interesting question.

For context:

"What happened? Not sure if we missed previous discussions on this but it seems the Jordan Game Jersey Auto that once held the record for the most expensive Jordan card ever sold has been regraded and gone from a Professional Sports Authenticator - PSA 8/9 Auto when it sold at Goldin in May 21 to a PSA 6/10 Auto as per the current PSA imagery.
Does anyone know the story behind this? Did we totally miss something here?"

"Looks like it was reslabbed and parts of the card near the jersey swatch peeled off.. probably got stuck on the PSA case. Ouch."

"This isn't a case of the owner trying to get a better grade. If it was regraded it would have a new cert number.
Owner most likely had the card reholdered and PSA damaged it during the process. Which I'm sure they're insured for that kind of stuff."

"when you submit for reslab, you're forced to sign your rights away. The waiver specifically says they are not liable for any damage. I went through this issue with PSA twice in the last year."

"They retraced the auto after snapping the card. Probably dinged the card during the snapping, lmao. Classic PSA sh-"

So the question is, all things being equal, rather have an 8/9 or a 6/10?

shu4040 · 07-18-2024, 11:17 PM

100% 8/9 for me

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hermanotarjeta · 07-18-2024, 11:26 PM

That’s a million dollar mistake.

90skid · 07-19-2024, 10:23 AM

I would have preferred PSA 8 Auto AUTH. Who gives a crap about the auto grade.

r338 · 07-19-2024, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90skid

I would have preferred PSA 8 Auto AUTH. Who gives a crap about the auto grade.

The auto is what makes the card. Without an auto, the 1997 Jordan game used is $20,000. With the auto and the /23 numbering, that is apparently a $2.1M card.

r338 · 07-19-2024, 10:52 AM

"They retraced the auto after snapping the card. Probably dinged the card during the snapping, lmao. Classic PSA sh-"

What does this mean? Someone other than MJ traced over the signature?

Cardsandcoffee · 07-19-2024, 11:31 AM

IMO the difference between a 9 and a 10 auto is pretty minimal. Premium on 10 autos is overblown

asujbl · 07-19-2024, 11:33 AM

Counterpoint… I would never want a 9 auto

10 all day long

rifleman69 · 07-19-2024, 11:34 AM

Buy it and then burn it.

patchgenie · 07-19-2024, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

That’s a million dollar mistake.

surprised there wasn't Cheeto dust or Mountain Dew on it

Nomad · 07-19-2024, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r338

"They retraced the auto after snapping the card. Probably dinged the card during the snapping, lmao. Classic PSA sh-"

What does this mean? Someone other than MJ traced over the signature?

That comment is what is known as high level trolling. It just points out how arbitrary auto grading is. Probably they initially dinged it for going over some lines, then realized that if you placed an auto where it should go on the card, you were gonna break a few eggs to get there.

What I would like to see is microscopic sigs that leave excess space get an automatic 7. And sigs that exuberantly go wherever get an automatic 10.

Wings · 07-19-2024, 10:02 PM

Nothing is worse than a smudged auto or an auto that runs off card. 10 auto always. On this card auto appears fine and is not lacking in eye appeal. Maybe bubbling?

Nomad · 07-19-2024, 10:10 PM

bubbling is like patina. some collectors pay extra for that.

NBAicons · 07-20-2024, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shu4040

100% 8/9 for me

Absolutely. You really can't tell the difference between a 9 auto and a 10 auto most of the time anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

IMO the difference between a 9 and a 10 auto is pretty minimal. Premium on 10 autos is overblown

Exactly

mc1 · 07-20-2024, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomad

"Looks like it was reslabbed and parts of the card near the jersey swatch peeled off.. probably got stuck on the PSA case. Ouch."

"when you submit for reslab, you're forced to sign your rights away. The waiver specifically says they are not liable for any damage. I went through this issue with PSA twice in the last year."

There goes that whole grade and slab to protect your cards angle.

Nomad · 07-20-2024, 12:25 PM

card prophylaxis gone wrong

r338 · 07-20-2024, 01:58 PM

PSA says they compensated the owner. How much should PSA reimburse the owner for that kind of damage on a $2.1M card? I think the card value went down by 1/2 at least.

Nomad · 07-20-2024, 02:14 PM

I think PSA and collector will assume card is unique enough that value would not change by more than 20 percent, unless the original sale was manipulated. So I would put the settlement at probably under $125k. But what if this issue should replicate on other slabbed jerseys? Actually would put PSA out of business. It may be time to enter the "let the jersey breathe" era. Plastic encapsulation is not ideal for everything. And valuable jerseys are unique enough that they do not need to be encapsulated to be verified.

bmf · 07-20-2024, 04:01 PM

So the card got worse from PSA holder damage but the autograph somehow got better. Great job PSA. I mean, you just can't make this stuff up.

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07-18-2024, 11:15 PM	#1
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,091	Rather have an 8/9 or a 6/10? So this thing I found on my feed yesterday and already lost track of posed a pretty interesting question. For context: "What happened? Not sure if we missed previous discussions on this but it seems the Jordan Game Jersey Auto that once held the record for the most expensive Jordan card ever sold has been regraded and gone from a Professional Sports Authenticator - PSA 8/9 Auto when it sold at Goldin in May 21 to a PSA 6/10 Auto as per the current PSA imagery. Does anyone know the story behind this? Did we totally miss something here?" "Looks like it was reslabbed and parts of the card near the jersey swatch peeled off.. probably got stuck on the PSA case. Ouch." "This isn't a case of the owner trying to get a better grade. If it was regraded it would have a new cert number. Owner most likely had the card reholdered and PSA damaged it during the process. Which I'm sure they're insured for that kind of stuff." "when you submit for reslab, you're forced to sign your rights away. The waiver specifically says they are not liable for any damage. I went through this issue with PSA twice in the last year." "They retraced the auto after snapping the card. Probably dinged the card during the snapping, lmao. Classic PSA sh-" So the question is, all things being equal, rather have an 8/9 or a 6/10? __________________ Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Last edited by Nomad; 07-18-2024 at 11:23 PM.

07-19-2024, 11:33 AM	#8
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,216 ohiosundevils	Counterpoint… I would never want a 9 auto 10 all day long __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

07-19-2024, 10:10 PM	#13
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,091	bubbling is like patina. some collectors pay extra for that. __________________ Fomenting FOMO on the down low.

07-20-2024, 12:25 PM	#16
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,091	card prophylaxis gone wrong __________________ Fomenting FOMO on the down low.

07-18-2024, 11:17 PM	#2
shu4040 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 474	100% 8/9 for me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-18-2024, 11:26 PM	#3
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 20,653	That’s a million dollar mistake.

07-19-2024, 10:23 AM	#4
90skid Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 1,796	I would have preferred PSA 8 Auto AUTH. Who gives a crap about the auto grade.

07-19-2024, 10:52 AM	#6
r338 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 383	"They retraced the auto after snapping the card. Probably dinged the card during the snapping, lmao. Classic PSA sh-" What does this mean? Someone other than MJ traced over the signature?

07-19-2024, 11:31 AM	#7
Cardsandcoffee Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: PNW Posts: 1,062	IMO the difference between a 9 and a 10 auto is pretty minimal. Premium on 10 autos is overblown

07-19-2024, 11:34 AM	#9
rifleman69 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Space Mountain Posts: 3,534	Buy it and then burn it.

07-19-2024, 10:02 PM	#12
Wings Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha Posts: 5,390	Nothing is worse than a smudged auto or an auto that runs off card. 10 auto always. On this card auto appears fine and is not lacking in eye appeal. Maybe bubbling?

07-20-2024, 01:58 PM	#17
r338 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 383	PSA says they compensated the owner. How much should PSA reimburse the owner for that kind of damage on a $2.1M card? I think the card value went down by 1/2 at least.

07-20-2024, 02:14 PM	#18
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,091	I think PSA and collector will assume card is unique enough that value would not change by more than 20 percent, unless the original sale was manipulated. So I would put the settlement at probably under $125k. But what if this issue should replicate on other slabbed jerseys? Actually would put PSA out of business. It may be time to enter the "let the jersey breathe" era. Plastic encapsulation is not ideal for everything. And valuable jerseys are unique enough that they do not need to be encapsulated to be verified. __________________ Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Last edited by Nomad; 07-20-2024 at 02:16 PM.

07-20-2024, 04:01 PM	#19
bmf Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,191	So the card got worse from PSA holder damage but the autograph somehow got better. Great job PSA. I mean, you just can't make this stuff up.