0 for 5 on PSA crossovers - freaking ridiculous!!

[jmatuko]

Thought I'd take advantage of the lower crossover cost on a few of my PC items, with the thought that PSA slabs would ultimately be more valuable down the road. I've been guilty of whining to myself about some questionable grades on various submissions, but to go 0 for 5 on these crossovers is nuts. All minimum grades were the same as currently slabbed.

I can understand the Brady. The others are sorta headscratchers but what most infuriates me is the Doncic. I thought at least three of these were locks to cross (Doncic, Haliburton and Evans). Would love the community's thoughts based on the pics on what I might have missed? Thanks all!

[JeffG1954]

I think most would want to have the cards in hand before they venture an opinion. No way to get the angles necessary to really know for sure what you might have missed, or even if you did miss anything.

[Marshall524]

I think the lesson, time and time again, is to crack and sub, unfortunately. I've never tried crossing a card, but reading threads/posts over the years, it certainly seems PSA crosses over very few cards if they are still slabbed with a different grader.

[mjohnatgt]

Thick cards, no shocker. 9 corner subgrades, no shocker. Relic patch windows, no shocker.

[JustRachel]

Both bottom corners on the back of the Doncic....

They're like big neon signs that say this card isn't a PSA 9.

Fantastic card but no shocker it didn't cross.

[daveyc1]

you have to crack and submit. sending in for a crossover is just gifting PSA money.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

you have to crack and submit. sending in for a crossover is just gifting PSA money.

Probably good advice.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

you have to crack and submit. sending in for a crossover is just gifting PSA money.

Absolutely. Been like this for many years now...

[Cardsandcoffee]

Man this thread isn’t making me feel better about my graded card review i have planned lol

[towerymt]

In my opinion, the reason to try a crossover is to protect the existing grade. But in this case, those are not gem mint grades, and could probably be returned to the same grade in the SGC/BGS holder, right? So I would have cracked. But only after close inspection under magnification.

Here are two I cracked out and got favorable grades from PSA (neither were gem):
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...7#post18708557

Here are two I sent for crossover, the '10' surface grade crossed, the '9.5' surface grade did not. I cracked the failure and sub'd it raw and it got a PSA-10 (as expected, once I cracked & reviewed it). No regrets sending these as crossover, I learned something.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1451439

If you crack these out and try again, come back to let us know the results

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Man this thread isn’t making me feel better about my graded card review i have planned lol

I sent one card for review recently and didn't get a bump from 9 to 10. Kinda what I expected, but the potential value increase made it worthwhile to try, in my opinion.

Another I did get a bump from 7 to 8 was a success in the sense that my review of the card was spot on, but the value gain was probably minimal, so the cost to get this bump was more of a learning exercise.



Note for those unfamiliar, a 'Review', if successful, will keep the same cert#. The cert page will go inactive while at PSA, and then will return to active either with the old grade or new grade, once they are finished.

[majestik101]

I'll offer you $50 bucks for the Evans

[Jichael Mordan]

I went down a rabbit hole regarding crossovers and there are some psychological implications, but its as simple as this:

the card has to be an absolute, unquestionable, slam dunk for them to cross it. They cannot properly inspect the surface in the slab so if there is ANY question regarding ANY of the 4 grading categories they will just take your money.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by towerymt

I sent one card for review recently and didn't get a bump from 9 to 10. Kinda what I expected, but the potential value increase made it worthwhile to try, in my opinion.

Another I did get a bump from 7 to 8 was a success in the sense that my review of the card was spot on, but the value gain was probably minimal, so the cost to get this bump was more of a learning exercise.



Note for those unfamiliar, a 'Review', if successful, will keep the same cert#. The cert page will go inactive while at PSA, and then will return to active either with the old grade or new grade, once they are finished.

Good to know. Thanks for sharing. I’m really contemplating having them review a big Shohei auto for me. Initially I wouldn’t have even bothered but the potential value bump is also too big to ignore and my careful inspection of it I thought merited better.

[Dereth]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Man this thread isn’t making me feel better about my graded card review i have planned lol

I have two cards at PSA on a graded card review right now, so we'll see how that goes. They're both graded PSA8 and I'm hoping to get PSA9 grades on them. They both absolutely should be at least PSA9.

[BearDownSpurs]

Having gone through literally hundreds of trials, the advice given above is accurate. Unless you just want to make donations to PSA's bottom line, always crack the old slab. If you don't want to crack it, then don't try to cross it.

[Wisztradamous]

Originally Posted by BearDownSpurs

Having gone through literally hundreds of trials, the advice given above is accurate. Unless you just want to make donations to PSA's bottom line, always crack the old slab. If you don't want to crack it, then don't try to cross it.

Agreed.

Same thing happened to me with my first cross over attempt.
Sent a '55 Topps Don Hutson (SGC 7) and it was rejected. I cracked and subbed normally and it came back a PSA 7.

[dribbler]

Crossovers are "Scam". I mean I cant blame, they need to be 100% sure on the grade. Sometimes not in your favor with e.g. scratched cases.. Just crack all 5 and send them raw and you will see why.

[golfgasm]

Crossovers and reviews are a total racket. I'd pay good money to see what the actual % success rate is for 2010 and earlier cards. PSA should really cut some slack. Even BGS, who is barely hanging on, charges a lower fee for cards that do not meet the criteria to be crossed and only charge full value if they cross. Plus, to twist the knife even more PSA has that confetti graphic when you reveal your grade did not meet the minimum lol. Bastards.

[dribbler]

Originally Posted by golfgasm

Plus, to twist the knife even more PSA has that confetti graphic when you reveal your grade did not meet the minimum lol. Bastards.

Laughed harder than I should