2024 Upper Deck Marvel Metal Universe Avengers

[BobCollects]

Here we go again.

Blowout competitors have pre-orders available 2024 Upper Deck Marvel Metal Universe Avengers boxes at $349.95 per box. Blaster boxes are also available for pre-order at $29.95 each. Release date is June 21st, 2024 according to one competitor. GTS says June 2024.

Details from GTS:

2024 Marvel Metal Universe Avengers Trading Cards merges throwback inspiration with NEW thematic designs and technology to showcase fan favorite characters from the Marvel Avengers Publishing Universe!!

Configuration: 12 boxes/12 packs/ 6 cards

2024 Marvel Metal Universe Avengers Trading Cards Box Hits:

• Retro Cards - Classic Marvel Metal Universe design with comic images from various Avengers comics.
• #'d Parallels
• Gold FX Parallel

2024 Marvel Metal Universe Avengers Trading Cards PRODUCT HIGHLIGHTS:

• Collect the 100-Card Light FX Base Set!
• Find beautiful colored, ratioed parallels.
• Chase, the always popular, Precious Metal Gems!
• Grab a variety of themed inserts including:
  • Palladium with colored parallels– (50) die-cut PETG cards
  • Geodes – (25) Shadowbox cards highlighting characters in colorful geode frames
  • A Soldier’s Metal – (25) Shadowbox cards highlighting the greatest Captain America battles
  • Metal-X – (50) PETG and Rainbow foilboard laminated cards
  • A-Force Rave – (50) specialized light FX cards feature the legacy of Female Avengers
  • Planet Metal – (20) metal cards shown in Iron, Copper, Platinum and Gold colors
  • Platinum Portraits – (20) Stipple Design case hits
  • Purely Periodic Metals – (86) foil designed cards with various serial numbering
  • Metalheads – (30) embossed foilboard cards in a 90s retro aesthetic
  • Arc Weld – (28) rainbow foilboard cards with revitalized designs from Metal Universe X-men
  • Blast Furnace – (28) rainbow foilboard cards with revitalized designs from Metal Universe X-men
• BIG CHASE HITS!!
  • High Series Cards
  • Grandiose Parallels
  • Serial #’d Parallels
  • Palladium Cards
  • Geodes
  • A-Force Rave
  • Comic Cuts
  • Sketch Cards

GTS Sell Sheet: https://gogts.net/wp-content/uploads...Sell-Sheet.pdf

[DynaEtch]

Ughh another Avengers set after they just had Fleer Ultra Avengers. Another Metal set. It’s too much.

PMGs will be in it…will be interesting to see if the hype around them even still exists or has gone by the wayside.

[glorbgorb]

Agreed, though I guess it's been a while since Spidey Metal came out.

Another unfortunate trend that continues: large subsets. 86 Purely Periodic, 50 Palladium, 50 Metal-X, 50 A-Force Rave, 30 Metalheads, and several others close to that.

Metal used to be a cool set in hockey, but even now I get them so confused because it is all so samey from year to year for my pc player.

[Marvel Card]

With all these inserts it’s gonna be printed to the moon. UD looks hellbent on the destroying the PMG market.

I used to be hyped for this but after seeing the sell sheet and initial prices, it’s a pass for me. $350/box for this is ludicrous given that the value of these cards opened will likely average $40 at best. The value proposition for this set just isn’t there. Metal is special because it’s going to bring over some sports guys (unlike fleer ultra) so I doubt the box prices on this will drop as precipitously as fleer ultra midnight sons and fleer ultra wolverine but I am willing to bet the low price on a box of these from a big box retailer like DA will eventually go $170-$190.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

Agreed, though I guess it's been a while since Spidey Metal came out.

Another unfortunate trend that continues: large subsets. 86 Purely Periodic, 50 Palladium, 50 Metal-X, 50 A-Force Rave, 30 Metalheads, and several others close to that.

Metal used to be a cool set in hockey, but even now I get them so confused because it is all so samey from year to year for my pc character.

Yea it all runs together. Some of these new marvel sets are becoming rather generic- names like palladium, geodes, precious metal gems, platinum portraits, purely periodic. Ever other year. Throw in the rehashed art. Medallions in the Ultra sets. I think UD should take a cue from the 90s era- each of those sets had a very unique personality/identity. It's possible the new 'Fleer Throwback' set might have some of that, but I dont really see it here.

The 40-50 card insert sets is the major thing. It just kills set collecting, which was one of the fun things about marvel cards, and is huge in nonsports as a whole. Heck the big thing about collecting cards generally. The more UD pushes towards character collecting (zillions of parallels, large insert sets) and away from set collecting, the less I get interested in these.

I mean is that Spider-Man platinum portraits on the sell sheet the exact same art used as the Spider-Man platinum portraits used in Spidey Metal? Hopefully that's just preliminary and the dont actually use that.

The colored die-cut Palladiums are different I guess. And one of the best looking inserts to me are those '95 Retro Metal throwbacks, funny enough. But holy parallel overload, batman! Like even the grandiose (isnt that a parallel?)...has a parallel? All the FX parallels and PMG parallels...

Agree with Marvel Card, this is going to accelerate the tanking of the PMG market.

[1992UDFootball]

Easy pass.

Perhaps the older PMGs will hold value yet.

[BobCollects]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The 40-50 card insert sets is the major thing. It just kills set collecting, which was one of the fun things about marvel cards, and is huge in nonsports as a whole. Heck the big thing about collecting cards generally. The more UD pushes towards character collecting (zillions of parallels, large insert sets) and away from set collecting, the less I get interested in these.

It's not just the size of the insert sets, it's the SP/SSP odds that make collecting all but impossible. X-Men Metal Geodes SSP is 1:1,440! Probably the only insert set from X-Men Metal that can easily be completed is Palladium because there are no SP/SSP cards.

The base parallels are insane, too. Spider-Man Metal has 11 base parallels if you count Red and Green PMGs and Purple Light FX 1/1. Gold Light FX and Grandiose are probably the only easy parallel sets to complete. Maybe the retail Yellow FX and e-Pack exclusive Blue Light FX as well.

As a huge fan of the old school 1995 Fleer Marvel Metal set, I was sort of excited for X-Men Metal Universe set back in 2021 because the Low Series Base cards look a lot like the 1995 Marvel Metal cards, especially the backs. I ended up buying a Low Series Base set on eBay and have Low Series Base Gold and Low Series Base Blue parallel sets on e-Pack waiting to ship home.

The problem is, as a set collector, only having the Low Series Base cards and select parallel sets leaves me feeling like I have an incomplete set. But trying to complete the set is impossible given the numerous insert sets with crazy odds. So now I'm stuck.

The same thing happened with Spider-Man Metal Universe. I bought a Low Series Base set and put together a Low Series Base Gold parallel set on COMC. I have maybe 3/4ths of a retail exclusive Low Series Base Yellow parallel set as well from buying lots on eBay. But I lost interest before completing it.

The sell sheet for Avengers Metal Universe is vague on the number of base parallels but I see Purple FX, Gold FX, and Green FX. The Grandiose cards with Grandiose Parallels is confusing, as Dyna mentioned. And there are four different numbered PMGs, it seems: Gold, Red, Blue, and Green, with Gold numbered 1/1. Plus Retro PMG Purple and Gold.

Overload is definitely the proper feeling for this set.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

The sell sheet for Avengers Metal Universe is vague on the number of base parallels but I see Purple FX, Gold FX, and Green FX. The Grandiose cards with Grandiose Parallels is confusing, as Dyna mentioned. And there are four different numbered PMGs, it seems: Gold, Red, Blue, and Green, with Gold numbered 1/1. Plus Retro PMG Purple and Gold.

Plus the inevitable two parallels for the base set on ePack. And who knows if there are blaster exclusive ones yet (assuming there are blasters).

I guess I should be half-excited neither of my pc characters will appear in this set. Firestar has a slim chance since she was an Avenger for a short while, but I doubt it.

[Marvel Card]

I don’t think grandiose have grandiose parallels as the sell sheet states. I think it’s the same setup as X-men and Spider-Man metal, grandiose parallels of both base low and base high. I have no clue why the sell sheet was worded the way it was.

[glorbgorb]

Further confusing us is the fact the Grandiose are listed as "BIG CHASE HITS!!". They were never that. Just more unnumbered parallels.

[jjas311]

Metal will always be metal, and PMGs will always be PMGs. It will sell well because of Platinum Portraits, PMGs and sketches. What we wont see is the temporary inflation that we saw with Spider-man Metal - this wont hit $500+ a box. It'll stay where it is...and it will sell out on Epack pretty quick if it holds at $30 a pack. We won't see boxes of these at $100 like the Fleer Ultra stuff which has a much lower floor.

I wish they kept with the X-Men Metal theme and only had the Pink, Green, Red and Purple.

[armyml]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

Further confusing us is the fact the Grandiose are listed as "BIG CHASE HITS!!". They were never that. Just more unnumbered parallels.

Tell that to Upper Deck. They sent me 3 grandiose cards to replace my 3 missing hits from boxes.

[Marvel Card]

Originally Posted by jjas311

Metal will always be metal, and PMGs will always be PMGs. It will sell well because of Platinum Portraits, PMGs and sketches. What we wont see is the temporary inflation that we saw with Spider-man Metal - this wont hit $500+ a box. It'll stay where it is...and it will sell out on Epack pretty quick if it holds at $30 a pack. We won't see boxes of these at $100 like the Fleer Ultra stuff which has a much lower floor.

I wish they kept with the X-Men Metal theme and only had the Pink, Green, Red and Purple.

And who exactly is actually saying boxes of this will hit $100? Marvel PMGs are declining in value, just like any other marvel card. But nobody is saying this will hit $100.

If this does get sold at $30 a pack on epack, I guarantee you this doesn’t sell out in the same stratosphere of fast as Spider-Man metal. This will sit on epack for months, not weeks if boxes go for $350. This is the 3rd marvel metal set in 3 years, PMGs have declined with the market (where once thought invincible to those declines post covid) and the sheer number of inserts suggest the highest print run yet. On these factors alone, this isn’t comparable to how Spider-Man metal sold and if you think it is, good luck holding the bag.

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

And who exactly is actually saying boxes of this will hit $100? Marvel PMGs are declining in value, just like any other marvel card. But nobody is saying this will hit $100.

If this does get sold at $30 a pack on epack, I guarantee you this doesn’t sell out in the same stratosphere of fast as Spider-Man metal. This will sit on epack for months, not weeks if boxes go for $350. This is the 3rd marvel metal set in 3 years, PMGs have declined with the market (where once thought invincible to those declines post covid) and the sheer number of inserts suggest the highest print run yet. On these factors alone, this isn’t comparable to how Spider-Man metal sold and if you think it is, good luck holding the bag.

Eh? I didn’t say anyone said it would hit $100? And when did I say it would sell as fast as SMMU?

[PurplesaurusRex]

Marvel Metal Spider-man was basically an Avengers set. At this point they should just drop the "Avengers" and call it Marvel Metal Annual.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Marvel Metal Spider-man was basically an Avengers set. At this point they should just drop the "Avengers" and call it Marvel Metal Annual.

Hmm very true. Glancing at the checklist of Spidey metal,

Cap America, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Ant-Man all in the base set. If that's not Avengers, I dont know what is.

These sets really dont have unique identities...I notice Spider-Man himself seems to be in almost all of them, for obvious reasons.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

It's not just the size of the insert sets, it's the SP/SSP odds that make collecting all but impossible. X-Men Metal Geodes SSP is 1:1,440! Probably the only insert set from X-Men Metal that can easily be completed is Palladium because there are no SP/SSP cards.

The base parallels are insane, too. Spider-Man Metal has 11 base parallels if you count Red and Green PMGs and Purple Light FX 1/1. Gold Light FX and Grandiose are probably the only easy parallel sets to complete. Maybe the retail Yellow FX and e-Pack exclusive Blue Light FX as well.

As a huge fan of the old school 1995 Fleer Marvel Metal set, I was sort of excited for X-Men Metal Universe set back in 2021 because the Low Series Base cards look a lot like the 1995 Marvel Metal cards, especially the backs. I ended up buying a Low Series Base set on eBay and have Low Series Base Gold and Low Series Base Blue parallel sets on e-Pack waiting to ship home.

The problem is, as a set collector, only having the Low Series Base cards and select parallel sets leaves me feeling like I have an incomplete set. But trying to complete the set is impossible given the numerous insert sets with crazy odds. So now I'm stuck.

Very true, you need a small fortune to mini-master set (forget master set) collect new sets like these Metals with all the SP inserts, much less the size of the sets. I would be just as unsatisfied with having to constrain myself to a base set/basic parallel set. But what else can you do sometimes. I cant justify putting so many hundreds or thousand+ into one of these insert sets..even from a value perspective it just wont hold value. I guess you could go for non-SP inserts only, but would again leave me unsatisfied.

Im glad MM at least has not *totally* went off the deep end with insert sets. Parallels....yes. But not size of insert sets. There arent these 50 card insert sets with SSPs, instead the regulars are Mirage (9 cards), Canvas Gallery (10 cards), Battle Spectra (15ish cards), and Holofoils (20ish cards). Could be worse. Thankfully I dont think they can do these huge insert sets, because the set artist isnt going to paint 250+ paintings! But using rehashed art, they can make the insert sets as large as possible, sky's the limit.

[DynaEtch]

Although Im not planning on buying this, should say something positive about the set after saying what I dont like.

What I like is the set will probably be regular card stock like the other metal universes. I prefer that at this point. Im growing tired of the thick cards and having to store them. UD should go back to regular stock for its sets like Fleer Ultra. Maybe just keep one thick set for like Masterpieces, if even that.

[One more set]

The thick cards are getting old. Won’t be buying the fleer ultra Wolverine for that reason.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Although Im not planning on buying this, should say something positive about the set after saying what I dont like.

What I like is the set will probably be regular card stock like the other metal universes. I prefer that at this point. Im growing tired of the thick cards and having to store them. UD should go back to regular stock for its sets like Fleer Ultra. Maybe just keep one thick set for like Masterpieces, if even that.

Originally Posted by One more set

The thick cards are getting old. Won’t be buying the fleer ultra Wolverine for that reason.

Yes! Save thick stock for something special, not base.

[BobCollects]

Anyone notice the box on the sell sheet reads "Blast Furnace Cards Return!" yet there's no mention of Blast Furnace anywhere else on the sell sheet?

More thoughts:

The Planet Metal cards look a lot brighter than the same cards in X-Men Metal Universe and Spider-Man Metal Universe. I wonder if the final cards will be more muted.

The Platinum Portrait cards are beautiful, as always.

I thought the Z-Force Rave cards in Spider-Man Metal Universe were ugly and the A-Force Rave cards are just as bad. Too busy.

Love the color parallels for the Palladium cards.

The Metal-X and Intimidation Nation cards don't impress me.

The Metalheads cards look unfinished.

Love the Retro Cards, being a huge fan of 1995 Marvel Metal.

It's always tough to make any strong opinions based solely on the sell sheet but if the price was a lot lower and there weren't so many large insert sets with presumably long odds, this would probably be a fun set to collect. The same goes for X-Men Metal Universe and Spider-Man Metal Universe, of course, but neither of those were set collector friendly and Avengers Metal Universe won't be, either.

[PurplesaurusRex]

These modern metal sets have been kid of a let down. Spider-man metal fixed some of the issues I had with base and PMG's in X-men, but it just wasn't enough. The best thing about these are the Planet Metals imo.

[1992UDFootball]

Actually just looked at the sell sheet and these cards are ugly.

[Marvel Card]

Originally Posted by jjas311

Eh? I didn’t say anyone said it would hit $100? And when did I say it would sell as fast as SMMU?

What is your definition of “pretty quick” then when you said if this sells at $30 a pack, it will sell out pretty quick? Spider-Man metal sold out within weeks if I remember correctly.

And with regard to the “hit $100” that’s right nobody said it. Nobody was even thinking it. So trying to understand what point is trying to be made here when you said this won’t hit $100. It’s like saying “the sky isn’t ever going to be green”. Well yeah, because everyone pretty much understands that and a it’s a false negative narrative.

[jjas311]

Originally Posted by Marvel Card

What is your definition of “pretty quick” then when you said if this sells at $30 a pack, it will sell out pretty quick? Spider-Man metal sold out within weeks if I remember correctly.

And with regard to the “hit $100” that’s right nobody said it. Nobody was even thinking it. So trying to understand what point is trying to be made here when you said this won’t hit $100. It’s like saying “the sky isn’t ever going to be green”. Well yeah, because everyone pretty much understands that and a it’s a false negative narrative.

Oh you want specifics, ok, I’m guessing if it’s $30 a pack…109 days, 7 hours and 13 minutes. That’s pretty quick compared to what most marvels last.

And I don’t understand the second paragraph, what is your question? I said I don’t think it will ever hit low box prices like the fleer ultra boxes will…I don’t think that’s negative? I think other people here have said much more negative things than an opinion that the Metal products will hold better value over time than the Fleer Ultra products, ha.