FOTL Questions

machine74 · 01-25-2024, 01:41 PM

I'd like to grab an FOTL product or two this year and been doing some research as to how they work. I get that it's a game of chicken and you don't know when they'll sell out or what the floor is, but you can make an educated guess based on regular hobby boxes as to where they may end up. Without having participated in them I would appreciate some input:

1. How do you guys prepare for the FOTL offerings, check Panini.com for their calendar, start looking one week before regular hobby boxes drop, etc.? Do they always start at the same time of day, i.e. 12:00pm?
2. Will FOTL move over to Fanatics with them acquiring more licenses or will Panini continue to have some?

Knowing what I know now the posts about floor and why people got them or missed out make much more sense.

AwesomeBrian · 01-25-2024, 01:54 PM

FOTL is a gimmick that nobody really cares about. Honestly it's a huge waste of money

machine74 · 01-25-2024, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

FOTL is a gimmick that nobody really cares about. Honestly it's a huge waste of money

Very funny. I wouldn't say *nobody* cares because they do sell out every time.

...or you're trying to keep another person from hunting for your boxes!

Metsfan1991 · 01-25-2024, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by machine74

Very funny. I wouldn't say *nobody* cares because they do sell out every time.

...or you're trying to keep another person from hunting for your boxes!

Can tell your new….

machine74 · 01-25-2024, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsfan1991

Can tell your new….

New to FOTL, yes. New to grammar, no.

dantheman514 · 01-25-2024, 03:01 PM

It seems as though the pricing of FOTL rarely drops below the presale price of the same product's hobby box on the Big 3s websites. Therefore, check the presale prices of the hobby boxes to get a general idea of where the FOTL sell out price will be. You have to decide for yourself if the pricing is a coincidence or a scam.

machine74 · 01-25-2024, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dantheman514

It seems as though the pricing of FOTL rarely drops below the presale price of the same product's hobby box on the Big 3s websites. Therefore, check the presale prices of the hobby boxes to get a general idea of where the FOTL sell out price will be. You have to decide for yourself if the pricing is a coincidence or a scam.

Indeed. I just think the aftermarket pricing on the FOTL boxes is outrageous (much like regular hobby boxes) and I was going to try and get 1-2 for the products I really wanted this year. Not for resale, for me.

meltedvanilluxe · 01-25-2024, 03:21 PM

1. The app will tell you when the auction starts for upcoming products.
2. FOTL is a Panini gimmick but I believe Topps has done something similar in the past. We can only hope Topps doesn’t execute it how Panini does if it comes to that.

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MD202041 · 01-25-2024, 03:51 PM

OP: please understand many sharper folks who have followed the hobby for a while believe very strongly (with good reason) that panini FOTL auctions are manipulated, and that’s putting it nicely.

Buy what you want obviously, but buyer beware. There’s a lot of shenanigans with panini football products or prices would never be what they are so be careful. Sincerely mean that. I won’t touch FOTL auctions. Pretty much scam pricing

kluke84 · 01-25-2024, 03:59 PM

Breakers and youtube 'infliencers' push FOTL. Often, you pay more for less

Shimmers are much less desirable for Prizm despite the low serial #.

Contenders is the worst product to buy FOTL. As their exclusives limit/remove ability to get serial # rookie ticket autos (RZ exclusives).

This is the best time to buy singles. Not the best time to buy boxes.

kobemagee29 · 01-25-2024, 04:10 PM

Please bring us back to 2017, back when you could get National treasures Fotl boxes for $500. Prizm Fotl boxes for $120.
I'm more & more grateful everyday for the breakers

machine74 · 01-25-2024, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MD202041

OP: please understand many sharper folks who have followed the hobby for a while believe very strongly (with good reason) that panini FOTL auctions are manipulated, and that’s putting it nicely.

Buy what you want obviously, but buyer beware. There’s a lot of shenanigans with panini football products or prices would never be what they are so be careful. Sincerely mean that. I won’t touch FOTL auctions. Pretty much scam pricing

I'll definitely keep all of your opinions in mind. I'm not against buying singles--as a matter of fact I just bought a bunch on ebay hoping PSA grades them high (another scam, I know, I know). I just miss being able to grab a hobby box at a much lower price. I won't touch any of the sky high ones, and I wish the prices were coming down. Completely wrong direction.

Case in point: I'd love to get a Bowman's Best U hobby. I grabbed the Bowman Chrome ones over Xmas for under $100 each and got some solid hits, but would love a Harrison auto. It's more likely I'll just buy the auto and avoid the base cards. Just not the same.

MD202041 · 01-26-2024, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by machine74

I'll definitely keep all of your opinions in mind. I'm not against buying singles--as a matter of fact I just bought a bunch on ebay hoping PSA grades them high (another scam, I know, I know). I just miss being able to grab a hobby box at a much lower price. I won't touch any of the sky high ones, and I wish the prices were coming down. Completely wrong direction.

Case in point: I'd love to get a Bowman's Best U hobby. I grabbed the Bowman Chrome ones over Xmas for under $100 each and got some solid hits, but would love a Harrison auto. It's more likely I'll just buy the auto and avoid the base cards. Just not the same.

Ok the Bowman U/Bowman Best U is COMPLETELY different than panini FOTL products. I’ve bought and ripped a ton of bowman u and u best. Awesome stuff, fairly priced, and there’s this key thing called VALUE for what you pay on a consistent basis. Foreign concept to any panini product especially FOTL auctions

machine74 · 01-26-2024, 01:34 PM

I know this isn't FOTL, but anyone want a laugh?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40475256344...3Avlp_homepage

That's right, it's a blaster.

mbrahv1984 · 01-26-2024, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

FOTL is a gimmick that nobody really cares about. Honestly it's a huge waste of money

Aren't they usually loaded by virture of being fotl?

kluke84 · 01-26-2024, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mbrahv1984

Aren't they usually loaded by virture of being fotl?

Define 'loaded'. Having fotl exclusive foils/prizms/parallels does not make them more valuable than the desired hobby versions. Yes, serial #'d is likely less, but doesn't make them more chased.

One caveat is Select, as their Orange Pulsar RPA exclusives are actually a good deal.

mfisher27 · 01-26-2024, 04:30 PM

I think the biggest thing to consider is what the FOTL exclusive is and whether or not it replaces cards from non-FOTL boxes.

I think it was 2022-23 Panini One and One Basketball where the only cards in the boxes were FOTL exclusive cards.

01-25-2024, 01:41 PM	#1
machine74 Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 734	FOTL Questions I'd like to grab an FOTL product or two this year and been doing some research as to how they work. I get that it's a game of chicken and you don't know when they'll sell out or what the floor is, but you can make an educated guess based on regular hobby boxes as to where they may end up. Without having participated in them I would appreciate some input: 1. How do you guys prepare for the FOTL offerings, check Panini.com for their calendar, start looking one week before regular hobby boxes drop, etc.? Do they always start at the same time of day, i.e. 12:00pm? 2. Will FOTL move over to Fanatics with them acquiring more licenses or will Panini continue to have some? Knowing what I know now the posts about floor and why people got them or missed out make much more sense.

01-25-2024, 03:21 PM	#8
meltedvanilluxe Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Posts: 223 rnortekled	1. The app will tell you when the auction starts for upcoming products. 2. FOTL is a Panini gimmick but I believe Topps has done something similar in the past. We can only hope Topps doesn’t execute it how Panini does if it comes to that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Check out my Tee Higgins collection! https://www.flickr.com/photos/198979631@N02/albums

01-26-2024, 04:30 PM	#17
mfisher27 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North Canton, OH Posts: 5,470 mfisher27	I think the biggest thing to consider is what the FOTL exclusive is and whether or not it replaces cards from non-FOTL boxes. I think it was 2022-23 Panini One and One Basketball where the only cards in the boxes were FOTL exclusive cards. __________________ It’s prolly a 70/49 split. -Mike TheCleaner

01-25-2024, 01:54 PM	#2
AwesomeBrian Temporarily Suspended Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NE O-H-I-O Posts: 6,011	FOTL is a gimmick that nobody really cares about. Honestly it's a huge waste of money

01-25-2024, 03:01 PM	#6
dantheman514 Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Motor City Posts: 1,069 dantheman514	It seems as though the pricing of FOTL rarely drops below the presale price of the same product's hobby box on the Big 3s websites. Therefore, check the presale prices of the hobby boxes to get a general idea of where the FOTL sell out price will be. You have to decide for yourself if the pricing is a coincidence or a scam.

01-25-2024, 03:51 PM	#9
MD202041 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 281	OP: please understand many sharper folks who have followed the hobby for a while believe very strongly (with good reason) that panini FOTL auctions are manipulated, and that’s putting it nicely. Buy what you want obviously, but buyer beware. There’s a lot of shenanigans with panini football products or prices would never be what they are so be careful. Sincerely mean that. I won’t touch FOTL auctions. Pretty much scam pricing

01-25-2024, 03:59 PM	#10
kluke84 Banned Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Florida Posts: 3,566 kluke84	Breakers and youtube 'infliencers' push FOTL. Often, you pay more for less Shimmers are much less desirable for Prizm despite the low serial #. Contenders is the worst product to buy FOTL. As their exclusives limit/remove ability to get serial # rookie ticket autos (RZ exclusives). This is the best time to buy singles. Not the best time to buy boxes.

01-25-2024, 04:10 PM	#11
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,087	Please bring us back to 2017, back when you could get National treasures Fotl boxes for $500. Prizm Fotl boxes for $120. I'm more & more grateful everyday for the breakers

01-26-2024, 01:34 PM	#14
machine74 Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 734	I know this isn't FOTL, but anyone want a laugh? https://www.ebay.com/itm/40475256344...3Avlp_homepage That's right, it's a blaster.