2018 Team Canada WJ Scandal... Hammer time?

[NotGoSportsBall]

Carter Hart and Dillon Dube both originally named as subjects of interest in the investigation. Both today were granted indefinite absence from their respective teams. Sounds like something's coming.

[kluke84]

Dube has been a massive fraud this year. I don't claim to know details of what happened and who to believe, it is a significant decline. So the legal troubles are probably weighing on him.

From a hockey perspective he isn't going to work in Calgary. I wish him the best but should be in the AHL. As for legal everyone is innocent until proven guilty so we will see...

[kluke84]

It should also be noted Dube was on Sunday for 'mental health reasons'. Hart was today for unknown reasons.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...-leave-absence

[PejaD]

...and Alex Formenton continues to play in Switzerland

[hairysasquatch]

Sounds imminent

[PejaD]

Formenton, Foote, and McLeod are also on leave now...

[valleynuckfan]

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ce9f3...dmVhbGVk&ntb=1

Doubt there's any walking from this now.

[ThatGuyPal]

I never even put two and two together, even that article I assumed they left the team as that's pretty much protocol if your name comes out in connection to something like this but to know it's likely to surrender to London police? Sheesh

[kellmuff]

this kinda blew up last night when the Flyers announced Hart's leave. Quick Google showed that Formenton has returned to Canada and McLeod/Foote missed a team function yesterday and werent at practice today.

Really feel like they're going to make examples of these guys and they'll all be suspended indefinitely from the NHL, possibly ending their careers

If Pinto got 41 games for proxy betting (not even on the NHL) then what's coming here?

[ThatGuyPal]

Feels like the cops gave them a lifeline, as this happens to be the only day none of the affected teams play...there's friday but I doubt if there is any processing etc to be done that they would schedule it for a Friday. Canadian cops do love hockey.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Feels like the cops gave them a lifeline, as this happens to be the only day none of the affected teams play...there's friday but I doubt if there is any processing etc to be done that they would schedule it for a Friday. Canadian cops do love hockey.

That's a bit much.
I know plenty of cops, including a now retired OPP detective in my family that worked serious crimes, and believe me they don't give a rat's a** how an investigation or summons impacts suspects in a sexual assault case. Especially where a minor is involved.
Sure they will be discreet, but worrying about some little s**t-heads missing games?
Not bloody likely and I'd be surprised as hell.

[cholodolo]

Couple things I find interesting:

- This is alleged to have taken place in June 2018, and an investigation was closed in February 2019.

- A $3.55 million lawsuit was filed by the alleged victim in April 2022 against Hockey Canada, 8 players, and the CHL.

- Hockey Canada settled the lawsuit in April 2022.

- London police reopened the investigation 18 months ago.

Now we have 5 players told to "surrender" to police, can any Canadians give us the specifics of how the Canadian justice system works? Are they technically under arrest? Have they been charged? Do they issue arrest warrants? What happens if they refuse?

I'd think the players will retain counsel who will begin poking holes in the timeline.

Wonder what took so long or if new facts came to light with the filing of the lawsuit? Would the London police have had the right to subpoena their communications?

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

That's a bit much.
I know plenty of cops, including a now retired OPP detective in my family that worked serious crimes, and believe me they don't give a rat's a** how an investigation or summons impacts suspects in a sexual assault case. Especially where a minor is involved.
Sure they will be discreet, but worrying about some little s**t-heads missing games?
Not bloody likely and I'd be surprised as hell.

Should ask him why they covered for both Ford brothers for years, cops that way have always covered for hockey players and politicians back to when they used to let Tim Horton drive drunk but I understand bias lol

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Should ask him why they covered for both Ford brothers for years, cops that way have always covered for hockey players and politicians back to when they used to let Tim Horton drive drunk but I understand bias lol

Irrelevant to this thread.
Don't be an a** and try to pick a fight by changing the narrative. My brother-in-law wouldn't care too much about a crack-smoking mayor. He worked murder and rape cases including this one:
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=bd376...teWVhcnM&ntb=1
Bias? If the Ford brothers had tag-teamed a minor in a motel room then invited a few of their 50 year old degenerate buds to join the party I'm quite sure they would have been drilled by police. What happens afterwards with the justice system is another story.
And by the way, you've never had some drinks and driven back in the good old days? I'm on the + side of 60 and will freely admit that I have in the past. It was quite common in society, especially smaller towns where everyone knew everyone. And yes, the cops would let it go sometimes if they knew you. Usually just an escort home. Didn't make it OK then and definitely not now.
Not sure if you were just trying to be funny or just trying to stir the pot.

[ewilkens]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Couple things I find interesting:

- This is alleged to have taken place in June 2018, and an investigation was closed in February 2019.

- A $3.55 million lawsuit was filed by the alleged victim in April 2022 against Hockey Canada, 8 players, and the CHL.

- Hockey Canada settled the lawsuit in April 2022.

- London police reopened the investigation 18 months ago.

Now we have 5 players told to "surrender" to police, can any Canadians give us the specifics of how the Canadian justice system works? Are they technically under arrest? Have they been charged? Do they issue arrest warrants? What happens if they refuse?

I'd think the players will retain counsel who will begin poking holes in the timeline.

Wonder what took so long or if new facts came to light with the filing of the lawsuit? Would the London police have had the right to subpoena their communications?

I'm not fully up to speed on all the entire story but from my understanding the brief synopsis is: Hockey Canada paid or tried to pay some hush money when the allegations were made, they took a big hit when this came to light in the first investigation, settled a suit in regards to their attempts to sweep it under the rug and now the individual players are facing the music for the first time.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Here's a relevant article as London Police announced today they will having a press conference next month about this case.

This what started all the speculation a few days ago..... "London police filed an application with the Ontario Court of Justice to obtain permission for search warrants and production orders. London police said in the document they have reasonable grounds to believe five members of the 2018 world junior team sexually assaulted the woman in June 2018."

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...charges-report

[kellmuff]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Couple things I find interesting:

- This is alleged to have taken place in June 2018, and an investigation was closed in February 2019.

- A $3.55 million lawsuit was filed by the alleged victim in April 2022 against Hockey Canada, 8 players, and the CHL.

- Hockey Canada settled the lawsuit in April 2022.

- London police reopened the investigation 18 months ago.

Now we have 5 players told to "surrender" to police, can any Canadians give us the specifics of how the Canadian justice system works? Are they technically under arrest? Have they been charged? Do they issue arrest warrants? What happens if they refuse?

I'd think the players will retain counsel who will begin poking holes in the timeline.

Wonder what took so long or if new facts came to light with the filing of the lawsuit? Would the London police have had the right to subpoena their communications?

As of now, it's a rumour that they've been asked to surrender. If true, it's probably just a courtesy to them given their high profile status.

At that point, I would assume charges would be laid. THere's been no official charges yet or we'd have heard about it. If they have been asked to surrender and dont, warrants would be issued. This wont happen though. They will all turn themselves in.

The fact that guys like Formenton are back from Switzerland all but confirms that.

Curious why the case was re-opened. New evidence? I cant remember all the details.

I'm wondering what happens with the pay out though. She took a settlement so what were the terms of that? If she goes public, etc does she have to give it back as part of some NDA etc?

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Here's a relevant article as London Police announced today they will having a press conference next month about this case.

This what started all the speculation a few days ago..... "London police filed an application with the Ontario Court of Justice to obtain permission for search warrants and production orders. London police said in the document they have reasonable grounds to believe five members of the 2018 world junior team sexually assaulted the woman in June 2018."

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...charges-report

Hey Chica,

You have some 'splaining to do:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1577482&page=5

[irv]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Couple things I find interesting:

- This is alleged to have taken place in June 2018, and an investigation was closed in February 2019.

- A $3.55 million lawsuit was filed by the alleged victim in April 2022 against Hockey Canada, 8 players, and the CHL.

- Hockey Canada settled the lawsuit in April 2022.

- London police reopened the investigation 18 months ago.

Now we have 5 players told to "surrender" to police, can any Canadians give us the specifics of how the Canadian justice system works? Are they technically under arrest? Have they been charged? Do they issue arrest warrants? What happens if they refuse?

I'd think the players will retain counsel who will begin poking holes in the timeline.

Wonder what took so long or if new facts came to light with the filing of the lawsuit? Would the London police have had the right to subpoena their communications?

All political and a woman who sought and received money already. She was no teen puck bunny, she was 25-26 at the time.
5 players careers might be ruined here and if not that, then definitely their reputations.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by irv

All political and a woman who sought and received money already. She was no teen puck bunny, she was 25-26 at the time.
5 players careers might be ruined here and if not that, then definitely their reputations.

Whoa, 25-26? That's an interesting detail.

I did only recently find out Hockey Canada appointed a woman to be the President, and saw Trudeau had to comment...point taken on political machinations. Given the recent revelations about the Trucker protest, wonder about the veracity of the evidence 5 years later.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Whoa, 25-26? That's an interesting detail.

I did only recently find out Hockey Canada appointed a woman to be the President, and saw Trudeau had to comment...point taken on political machinations. Given the recent revelations about the Trucker protest, wonder about the veracity of the evidence 5 years later.

Believe she was 20 at the time and intoxicated.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by cardozo

Believe she was 20 at the time and intoxicated.

This allegedly started at a local bar so yeah, she must have been of age. My earlier comments were regarding a minor being assaulted so I'll take the inference back and own it.
Drinking age in Ontario is 19 years of age. Were any of the players involved 19 yet? If not, they were drinking in the bar illegally. Hey, it happens all the time and not really the point here either. Just sayin'.
However, assault is assault. If what has been revealed so far is true- that she went back with one dude consensually to start with but others joined in later without consent that's a crime.
There was no criminal case right? Charges weren't laid at the time maybe due to insufficient evidence or outside pressure? So she took the money in a civil settlement.
Now it seems there is more substantial evidence that warrants charges being laid.
Civil settlement doesn't cancel this out. Perhaps new evidence came to light in the civil proceeding that prompted police to re-open the case a few months later.
She claimed that the assault was video taped/recorded and she was threatened. Maybe that video is now available?
Still lots of speculation until a London Police formal presser.
Plenty of relevant stuff in this article posted by DTMB, including allegations that have not yet been tested in court. Might be the whole point of the current investigation- to get this out on the criminal court table rather than letting it drift away with the HC cover-up civil payout that would have effectively closed down the civil court investigation.
https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...charges-report

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

This allegedly started in a hotel bar/lounge so yeah, she must have been of age. My earlier comments were regarding a minor being assaulted so I'll take the inference back and own it.
Drinking age in Ontario is 19 years of age. Were any of the players involved 19 yet? If not, they were drinking in the bar illegally. Hey, it happens all the time and not necessarily the point here either.
However, assault is assault. If what has been revealed so far is true- that she went back with one dude consensually to start with but others joined in later that's a crime.
There was no criminal case right? Charges weren't laid at the time maybe due to insufficient evidence or outside pressure? So she took the money in a civil settlement.
Now it seems there is more substantial evidence that warrants charges being laid.
Civil settlement doesn't cancel this out.

Hope justice will be served.

[Retired hobbist]

The scariest thing about this mess is the Halifax alleged gang rape was years before this so this is a BIG problem in hockey you have to wonder how many players got away with this decades ago.

Not good at all...

[hairysasquatch]

What a mess! Hopefully it can get sorted out and appropriate consequences applied.