2023 Topps Chrome SGC Grading Special

[JaxSportsHub]

Pretty good sale here.

[Jolten Joe]

If you like leaving money on the table

[Wild West]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

If you like leaving money on the table

A lot of them do. LOL! I'll send to PSA, wait an extra couple weeks and get much more for my 10's thanks you very much.

[imbluestreak23]

Great deal if all modern cards at $5.75

[anusinha]

great time to send your cards in, get mostly 9.5s, and then sell them for raw price

[The_Reverend]

I will never understand these specials! People will send thousands of base and most will not be worth the grading cost within one month. All refractors and up likely go to PSA. I don’t need speed when my cards are turning around in 1 month with PSA. WHt percentage of these cards are for the PC? 1-2 percent?

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I will never understand these specials! People will send thousands of base and most will not be worth the grading cost within one month. All refractors and up likely go to PSA. I don’t need speed when my cards are turning around in 1 month with PSA. WHt percentage of these cards are for the PC? 1-2 percent?

Im somewhat curious as to what their volume has been for the specials as time goes on. As people realize there's basically no value in sending modern cards to SGC, are people sending less cards in?

edit: looking at COMC at SGC cards for 2023 topps is kinda funny. All of the absolute random crap sent in.

[Gary]

Yeah send that crap to PSA,all the inconsiderate jerks are doing is making my vintage SGC orders back up another week.Back up PSA with that garbage nobody's going to notice a few extra weeks on PSA's turn around times anyway.

[The_Reverend]

If they get 100,000 cards, likely more, that is $900K. SGC is grabbing cash, I do not blame them. They are giving people what they want. If they are serious about the hobby, especially for vintage collectors, reduce their grading price to $9. The last thing I sent to them were red PMG’s and a YG black they graded as authentic!!!!!! I cracked it and sent it to PSA. IT is now a PSA 10!

[towerymt]

They are serious about The Business. This isn't a hobby for SGC.

[daveyc1]

seems like SGC is trying hard for an inroad into the ultra modern market. Would be good for PC, but not so much for reselling.

[rentz]

I sent some in for the series 2 special as my first grading experience base jung rookies for my pc and chrome insert rookies got 10s.
Now that I’m confident in my judgment will probably be psa group value subs now

[inaka]

Originally Posted by Wild West

A lot of them do. LOL! I'll send to PSA, wait an extra couple weeks and get much more for my 10's thanks you very much.

You spelled months wrong.

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I will never understand these specials! People will send thousands of base and most will not be worth the grading cost within one month. All refractors and up likely go to PSA. I don’t need speed when my cards are turning around in 1 month with PSA. WHt percentage of these cards are for the PC? 1-2 percent?

Baseball prospects. It's the only thing that makes sense... Not to actually do it, but that that's what people are sending in. They're looking for suckers to ride The Swamp-Donkey-Big-Nuke-Hype-Train. For every Elly there are 500 Todd Van Poppels. Why not store them raw & wait to grade them until AFTER they pan out and you know it's a valuable commodity? These guys would save a fortune. Ohhhh, wait... praying on suckers. That's why.

The above rationalization being thrown out there... I STILL wouldn't use SGC for this.

[Wild West]

Originally Posted by inaka

You spelled months wrong.

My last two $15 special subs both made it back in less than 31 days door to door...so yeah, I'll stick with extra weeks.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by CardGoonies

Baseball prospects. It's the only thing that makes sense... Not to actually do it, but that that's what people are sending in. They're looking for suckers to ride The Swamp-Donkey-Big-Nuke-Hype-Train. For every Elly there are 500 Todd Van Poppels. Why not store them raw & wait to grade them until AFTER they pan out and you know it's a valuable commodity? These guys would save a fortune. Ohhhh, wait... praying on suckers. That's why.

The above rationalization being thrown out there... I STILL wouldn't use SGC for this.

You dont think people are sending in thousands of base and other items to PSA, Beckett, etc? Its only grails causing months long backup?

Offering an inexpensive alternative that is still considered by many to be a quality grader isnt something that should be criticized. Price war in grading is a good thing. More people shift, or try, the better the price becomes everywhere.

[RandAlThor]

Originally Posted by Wild West

My last two $15 special subs both made it back in less than 31 days door to door...so yeah, I'll stick with extra weeks.

From what I've been seeing PSA is around 2 months to get cards back to you.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by RandAlThor

From what I've been seeing PSA is around 2 months to get cards back to you.

I use a group submitter, Grade to consignment with PCSPORTSCARDS, from them and back it has been about 4-5 weeks consistently. Since I use consignment to pay for the submission and make a little money to pocket, that is very good by me. SGC $9 is a great price, but they only use that price for new stuff. Vintage oriole would appreciate that $9 price I bet.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I will never understand these specials! People will send thousands of base and most will not be worth the grading cost within one month. All refractors and up likely go to PSA. I don’t need speed when my cards are turning around in 1 month with PSA. WHt percentage of these cards are for the PC? 1-2 percent?

I am actually amazed at how well base rookie and second year cards have sold. It's certainly not for me, but people turn their $2 cards into $20-30 pretty easily.

[Jolten Joe]

Originally Posted by RandAlThor

From what I've been seeing PSA is around 2 months to get cards back to you.

Have yet to have a sub in 2023 take more than a month door to door. It's the 1 thing and 1 thing only they've been consistent with. I'd almost wish they would take longer if it meant consistency on the grading end. I feel at times they are rushing orders through just to be able to keep that 1 month time.

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by atk825

I am actually amazed at how well base rookie and second year cards have sold. It's certainly not for me, but people turn their $2 cards into $20-30 pretty easily.

NOTE: This is going to read harsh, but I don't mean it like that or towards you or anyone else.....

Yeah, but NOT with SGC. lol

That was my point in my previous post.

SGC seems to want to try and grab hold of young, rising-baseball-prospect volume business..... all while ignoring that A: It's a stupid buy for collectors/investors 99.9% of the time. It's basically scratchoff ticket gambling with horrific odds of getting a "hit". Tha'ts why this is such a specific sale & turn around time.

And B: Even if it weren't, the $ savings between SGC & PSA grading costs, even with time factored in, doesn't warrant sending the card to SGC. The PSA card will sell for more than the cost difference between SGC & PSA 99.9% of the time. Nobody should be doing this.

Oh... ohhhhh, the PCer likes SGC? That's who this is for? They are COLLECTING these rando hit or (again, to nail it home) 99.9% bust modern baseball prospects - only in Topps Chrome Baseball? BS... Why the specfic "2023" 5-10 day turn around then? What's the rush for PC people? Because it's NOT.

The special is to try and entice flippers so they can sell nonsense to speculators faster.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by CardGoonies

NOTE: This is going to read harsh, but I don't mean it like that or towards you or anyone else.....

Yeah, but NOT with SGC. lol

That was my point in my previous post.

SGC seems to want to try and grab hold of young, rising-baseball-prospect volume business..... all while ignoring that A: It's a stupid buy for collectors/investors 99.9% of the time. It's basically scratchoff ticket gambling with horrific odds of getting a "hit". Tha'ts why this is such a specific sale & turn around time.

And B: Even if it weren't, the $ savings between SGC & PSA grading costs, even with time factored in, doesn't warrant sending the card to SGC. The PSA card will sell for more than the cost difference between SGC & PSA 99.9% of the time. Nobody should be doing this.

Oh... ohhhhh, the PCer likes SGC? That's who this is for? They are COLLECTING these rando hit or (again, to nail it home) 99.9% bust modern baseball prospects - only in Topps Chrome Baseball? BS... Why the specfic "2023" 5-10 day turn around then? What's the rush for PC people? Because it's NOT.

The special is to try and entice flippers so they can sell nonsense to speculators faster.

It’s okay for hobbyists not to toe the PSA line if they choose not to and want to save a few bucks on some slabs and get them faster.

I am not all in on any of these grading companies because they are all a blink of a subjective eye from vanishing. But to pretend it’s PSA or nothing is nonsense

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

It’s okay for hobbyists not to toe the PSA line if they choose not to and want to save a few bucks on some slabs and get them faster.

I am not all in on any of these grading companies because they are all a blink of a subjective eye from vanishing. But to pretend it’s PSA or nothing is nonsense

100% of course it is. 100%! But the advertised speed of getting the card back and the specific type of card they are doing this for is just a huge neon "Eat Here" sign for flippers... Flippers are fine and all, but flipping modern baseball prospects is not good for the hobby due to the wicked high failure rate. It's predatory on the gambling mindset, IMO. People crap out, sell everything off, and bounce from the hobby after eating losses for so long.

Also, the data alllll points to it being PSA or nothing. That's just how it is. The grading data & market sales data published every month overwhelmingly points to that being the truth. It's not even close.

For PC stuff, collect whatever you wish. By all means! That's the fun stuff. But let's not ignore the "Why?" on the specifics of this particular promotion.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by CardGoonies

100% of course it is. 100%! But the advertised speed of getting the card back and the specific type of card they are doing this for is just a huge neon "Eat Here" sign for flippers... Flippers are fine and all, but flipping modern baseball prospects is not good for the hobby due to the wicked high failure rate. It's predatory on the gambling mindset, IMO.

Also, the data alllll points to it being PSA or nothing. That's just how it is. The grading data & market sales data published every month overwhelmingly points to that being the truth. It's not even close.

For PC stuff, collect whatever you wish. By all means! That's the fun stuff. But let's not ignore the "Why?" on the specifics of this particular promotion.

I would say The National is stating otherwise with the 6 million dollar Mantle, etc.

With that said it’s just so odd that every grading thread on another company ends up with the “psa rules” as the pom poms must be handed out during registration.

PSA is a fine service and I use them. They are also slow as can be, more expensive and have terrible customer service by comparison.

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

I would say The National is stating otherwise with the 6 million dollar Mantle, etc.

With that said it’s just so odd that every grading thread on another company ends up with the “psa rules” as the pom poms must be handed out during registration.

PSA is a fine service and I use them. They are also slow as can be, more expensive and have terrible customer service by comparison.

- Why does someone need speed on grading 2023 Chrome for if not for hammering speculative suckers on flips?

^ THAT is who SGC is trying to pander to and grab volume, which is why I think specials like this are bad for the hobby. "Cheap & back in 9 days" on 2023 baseball is for flippers who need to hustle ebay listings out to suckers while baseball is hot. Not for collectors at all.

- If you have to point to the .1% exception (a Mantle sale) and stand on it as a rule while ignoring the overwhelming amount of long & short term information backing me up, is your thought process valid?

- What kind of customer service does anyone need on a baseball card? I'm genuinely asking, please. All I ever read/see = "Why is this so slow?", "Where is my package at in the warehouse?", "Durrr, durrr, durrr.... Why is my Brien Taylor Topps Gold RC a 7? I needed at least a 9 so I could get some sucker on Ebay to pay my water bill. Explain this to me right now!"

There is no... NO functionality to a graded baseball card. There are no working features to it other than a label, which they get right 99.9% of the time. It isn't as if it's a piece of electronic gear that you need help deciphering a manual for or how to operate it. It doesn't get stuck doing updates. it doesn't need calibrated. It is a static piece of cardboard in a static plastic holder w a label.

Their service is probably bad for the people complaining because they're tying up the phones asking the same stupid questions that PSA reps hear all day. We've called PSA 1x in the last 5 years and have graded 1,000s of cards. They answered the question immediately and that was it. Simple.

Other than a lost package, a crooked label, a mislabeled card, a lost or damaged package (usually NOT on PSA) what do you need immediate service from them for?

BTW, SGC price racing to zero is a weak, desparate move. They should be innovating and efforting to make a better product by adding features to their pop report, slabs, etc. Not going Big Lots discount bargain barn. Making the hobby better is not done by catering to the lowest common denominator: Modern baseball flippers.

Good, Fast, Cheap = At most you only get 2 of the 3. SGC is going for Fast & Cheap. Huge bummer, IMO.