Was Moneyball over rated.

spuds1961 · 06-16-2022, 01:22 PM

I mean their stadium is an eyesore and they haven’t won a World Series since 1989.

SleepyWill · 06-16-2022, 01:27 PM

If it's successful to ownership, then that's all that matters.

towerymt · 06-16-2022, 01:28 PM

It was a good movie.

80s Kid · 06-16-2022, 01:29 PM

No, the book is not overrated.

towerymt · 06-16-2022, 01:32 PM

This went up today on Fangraphs:

The Greek God of Walks Talks Hitting
Kevin Youkilis was a far better hitter than his nickname suggests.
by David Laurila
June 16, 2022

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-gree...talks-hitting/

splitrockgamer · 06-16-2022, 01:34 PM

Very, we traded away our best player who went on to win championships so that we could win 20 games in a row one time. Remember? Remember.. like please remember because I am worthless, but I want people to think that I accomplished something.

GMRide27 · 06-16-2022, 01:36 PM

Was Field of Dreams overrated?

TrickyNick · 06-16-2022, 01:48 PM

Is rating things overrated?

dhendrix1303 · 06-16-2022, 01:53 PM

I’d challenge the person who actually determines the base rating of all things rated.

calculusdork · 06-16-2022, 02:03 PM

We need a single metric to help determine the rating of things

eye4talent · 06-16-2022, 02:08 PM

Are you talking about the philosophy or the Michael Lewis story about the philosophy (book/movie)?

Either way, I don’t know what the stadium has to do with it. And I’m no defender of the Coliseum—as someone who’s worked both there and at McCovey Cove, I can attest that the A’s play in a junkyard.

Although, if anything, the quality of the stadium could be perceived as a symbol of the franchise’s (relative) economic plight that led it to pursue alternative means of competitive advantage. And thus, the so-call moneyball philosophy was borne.

Regardless of whether the original iteration of the philosophy is netting results on the field, it challenged how MLB talent front offices sought talent constructed rosters. So, is it overrated? I don’t know if that’s appropriate question. It has certainly proven impactful.

Unless you’re talking about the boom. Or the movie. In which case, that’s a personal taste. I enjoyed both. And I’d say the story was certain worthy being explored.

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3rdpedal · 06-16-2022, 02:16 PM

I enjoyed the movie, but the story obviously and intentionally left out really key pieces of that team, specifically Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, and the A's rotation. The movie seemed to imply that David Justice and Scott Hatteberg led the team.

Randallk34 · 06-16-2022, 02:27 PM

I refuse to watch that movie. Billie Bean is a jackwagon

WillBBC · 06-16-2022, 02:35 PM

I'm of the probably stupid opinion that nobody would've considered it a great success without the pitching horses they were lucky to have.

TimBuckTwo · 06-16-2022, 02:37 PM

Did you hear the one about the one-armed fisherman?

majestik101 · 06-16-2022, 02:40 PM

Moneyball deserves more respect than it gets.

DiegsHobby · 06-16-2022, 03:13 PM

Well I don't see how the park being garbage is relevant, but they are on of the winningest franchises since the turn of the century.

Not much postseason success, but the playoffs are a crapshoot for the most part.

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ottobord · 06-16-2022, 04:58 PM

Overrated. It was a flawed movie given the fact that the A's pitching was the biggest reason for their success and it wasn't even mentioned. But I made it to the end. That usually counts for something.

hxcmilkshake · 06-16-2022, 05:06 PM

Good cast. Phillip Seymour Hoffman making Art Howe a douche, Ray Donovan's murderous daughter too. I also liked the bigger minor league guy who hit the HR at the end, was a true story.

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80s Kid · 06-16-2022, 05:20 PM

Reading is underrated.

ATLOTP · 06-16-2022, 05:22 PM

Moneyball is great

LVDan · 06-16-2022, 05:27 PM

Strange timing as I watched this on a flight yesterday, it was free. Jonah Hill- Superbad, Moneyball And Wolf of Wall Street a pretty impressive early career character acting trifecta . Dude is talented.

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jhssketchcards · 06-16-2022, 05:27 PM

Teams that have guys who redefine how baseball players are valued yet don’t win anything, are never overrated.

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YouTheManNick · 06-16-2022, 06:24 PM

The general concept of moneyball is to find value where others don't see it. And if my memory serves correctly (been over ten years since I read it) to use statistical advantages that average out over the course of a season to help you win games.

And if you take this BB quote into account "My 'expletive' doesn't work on in the play-offs. My job is getting us to the play-offs. What happens after that is 'expletive' luck."

Then I'd say it's not overrated. It's been very successful in giving the A's a chance. Sadly, they haven't been able to get it done in the playoffs.

The playoffs are compressed. Those statistical advantages that average out over 162 don't always bounce the right way in a short series.

badkarma318 · 06-16-2022, 06:57 PM

Billy Beane's legacy: 18 seasons as GM, 1 (ONE) postseason series win, 0 (ZERO) World Series championships. Name one other GM who has had that level of utter failure for that length of time, and still has that job. I'll wait . . .

But please, tell me all about "doing more with less", "if only he had money to spend", and all other fanboy-related BS. He had a chance to go to Boston years ago, but was scared to leave his little sewage-flooded kingdom and go somewhere that his prolonged failure would not be tolerated.

Can't wait until Chokeland moves, and that sh!thole of a stadium is imploded.

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3rdpedal Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 948 peaceSeekingVeteran 3rdpedal	I enjoyed the movie, but the story obviously and intentionally left out really key pieces of that team, specifically Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, and the A's rotation. The movie seemed to imply that David Justice and Scott Hatteberg led the team. __________________ Ask me about my COMC Sales & Flipping Visualization Tool. PM me for the link. Looking for 2019 Topps S1 #48 PNC Park Platinum 1/1 & Printing plates & 2019 Update Cole Tucker Parallels

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towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,794	It was a good movie.

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80s Kid Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: The desert Posts: 1,088 azchristopher27	No, the book is not overrated.

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towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,794	This went up today on Fangraphs: The Greek God of Walks Talks Hitting Kevin Youkilis was a far better hitter than his nickname suggests. by David Laurila June 16, 2022 https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-gree...talks-hitting/

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splitrockgamer Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 2,647 splitrockgamer	Very, we traded away our best player who went on to win championships so that we could win 20 games in a row one time. Remember? Remember.. like please remember because I am worthless, but I want people to think that I accomplished something.

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GMRide27 Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 705	Was Field of Dreams overrated?

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TrickyNick Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 231	Is rating things overrated?

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calculusdork Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Nowheresville Posts: 26,683 calculusdork calculusdork	We need a single metric to help determine the rating of things

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eye4talent Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 7,922 eye4talent eye4talent	Are you talking about the philosophy or the Michael Lewis story about the philosophy (book/movie)? Either way, I don’t know what the stadium has to do with it. And I’m no defender of the Coliseum—as someone who’s worked both there and at McCovey Cove, I can attest that the A’s play in a junkyard. Although, if anything, the quality of the stadium could be perceived as a symbol of the franchise’s (relative) economic plight that led it to pursue alternative means of competitive advantage. And thus, the so-call moneyball philosophy was borne. Regardless of whether the original iteration of the philosophy is netting results on the field, it challenged how MLB talent front offices sought talent constructed rosters. So, is it overrated? I don’t know if that’s appropriate question. It has certainly proven impactful. Unless you’re talking about the boom. Or the movie. In which case, that’s a personal taste. I enjoyed both. And I’d say the story was certain worthy being explored. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

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Randallk34 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2,000	I refuse to watch that movie. Billie Bean is a jackwagon

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WillBBC Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,286	I'm of the probably stupid opinion that nobody would've considered it a great success without the pitching horses they were lucky to have.

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TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,118	Did you hear the one about the one-armed fisherman?

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DiegsHobby Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Bay Area Posts: 492 deegshobby	Well I don't see how the park being garbage is relevant, but they are on of the winningest franchises since the turn of the century. Not much postseason success, but the playoffs are a crapshoot for the most part. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk __________________ "DEEG'S HOBBY" on every social but I can't change my username here 'Clector of Green & Gold Oakland A's Topps Chrome/Triple Threads/Bowman 1st Autos

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ottobord Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,814	Overrated. It was a flawed movie given the fact that the A's pitching was the biggest reason for their success and it wasn't even mentioned. But I made it to the end. That usually counts for something.

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hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,489 hxcmilkshake	Good cast. Phillip Seymour Hoffman making Art Howe a douche, Ray Donovan's murderous daughter too. I also liked the bigger minor league guy who hit the HR at the end, was a true story. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

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80s Kid Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: The desert Posts: 1,088 azchristopher27	Reading is underrated.

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ATLOTP Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 812 snuurd	Moneyball is great

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LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,568	Strange timing as I watched this on a flight yesterday, it was free. Jonah Hill- Superbad, Moneyball And Wolf of Wall Street a pretty impressive early career character acting trifecta . Dude is talented. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

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jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,407 jhssketchcards2012	Teams that have guys who redefine how baseball players are valued yet don’t win anything, are never overrated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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YouTheManNick Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,599 trapjaw73 YTMN	The general concept of moneyball is to find value where others don't see it. And if my memory serves correctly (been over ten years since I read it) to use statistical advantages that average out over the course of a season to help you win games. And if you take this BB quote into account "My 'expletive' doesn't work on in the play-offs. My job is getting us to the play-offs. What happens after that is 'expletive' luck." Then I'd say it's not overrated. It's been very successful in giving the A's a chance. Sadly, they haven't been able to get it done in the playoffs. The playoffs are compressed. Those statistical advantages that average out over 162 don't always bounce the right way in a short series. __________________ They're = they are. Their = possession. There = "I went there." Two = 2. Too = "Me too." To = "He went to the card show." Your = "your cards." You're = "you're welcome."

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badkarma318 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 680	Billy Beane's legacy: 18 seasons as GM, 1 (ONE) postseason series win, 0 (ZERO) World Series championships. Name one other GM who has had that level of utter failure for that length of time, and still has that job. I'll wait . . . But please, tell me all about "doing more with less", "if only he had money to spend", and all other fanboy-related BS. He had a chance to go to Boston years ago, but was scared to leave his little sewage-flooded kingdom and go somewhere that his prolonged failure would not be tolerated. Can't wait until Chokeland moves, and that sh!thole of a stadium is imploded.