PSA 9 vs BGS 9.5 with 9 corners sub

AutoPatchRookie · 03-03-2022, 11:50 AM

Assume BGS is 9.5x3 + 9.0 corners?

Would everyone rather have PSA 9 in this case?

Boostedwrx · 03-03-2022, 11:53 AM

I rather have a BGS 9.5 then a PSA 9 but that's just me.

RufussCkingston · 03-03-2022, 11:56 AM

One's Gem Mint, the other is just Mint...

mrgant · 03-03-2022, 12:21 PM

Collector prefers the better card (9.5), flipper prefers the ROI (PSA).

Beavers98 · 03-03-2022, 12:25 PM

9.5 All day Everyday.

PLB9eight · 03-03-2022, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrgant

Collector prefers the better card (9.5), flipper prefers the ROI (PSA).

Which one is the better card though? If we’re just choosing the higher grade aren’t we just buying the slab not the card?

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majestik101 · 03-03-2022, 01:02 PM

PSA 9 ftw.

9 corners on BGS kill resale value.

RandAlThor · 03-03-2022, 01:43 PM

I would prefer the 9.5, a gem mint, the other is just mint.

gopowergoh · 03-03-2022, 03:27 PM

9.5 easy

discodanman45 · 03-03-2022, 03:34 PM

I prefer the card I want. Many newer BGS slabbed cards severely over grade corners IMO. Some of the older labels did a better job. When I buy a card, I buy the card I want and not what the company tells me to buy.

Saying that, many PSA 9's are really affordable and a great option right now. The PSA 10 multiplier over PSA 9's is insanity right now for many cards. You can get a PSA 9 1992 Topps Shaquille Topps rookie for $30 to $35 if you are patient. A PSA 10 goes for close to $250. I have a few of each and I can't tell the difference between the cards. PSA 9's are a great way to build a collection right now!

RAV2773 · 03-03-2022, 03:52 PM

BGS 9.5 will always be considered a "Gem Mint" card. Even if its a min gem. PSA 9 will only ever be a "Mint" card no matter how you look at it

DawnBTVS · 03-03-2022, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PLB9eight

Which one is the better card though? If we’re just choosing the higher grade aren’t we just buying the slab not the card?

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What do the cards themselves physically look like? That's your answer otherwise just go by the grade or subgrades. In theory, higher subgrades = better overall grade/card but anybody who's collected for more than a year understands that a BGS 9.5 can look different from one another despite the same subgrades, same for a PSA 9 vs. another PSA 9.

threefromthetee · 03-03-2022, 07:02 PM

“9 corners on BGS kill resale value.” What a ridiculous statement. Spoken like a PSA fanboy.

soicanbefree · 03-03-2022, 07:21 PM

9.5 is a better card

discodanman45 · 03-03-2022, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by threefromthetee

“9 corners on BGS kill resale value.” What a ridiculous statement. Spoken like a PSA fanboy.

I am not a PSA fanboy, but there is truth to this statement. There are a lot of people who buy SGC/CSG/BGS slabs to only crack and submit to PSA. Certain subgrades 100% helps or hurts the value of BGS slabs because of this. PSA is hardest on the corners and people that buy BGS slabs will always stay away from buying a BGS with a 9 for a corner.

ChromeGems · 03-03-2022, 10:11 PM

Has the craziness and disparity in perceived condition (and value) vs actual between BGS and PSA come so far that we are now suggesting a PSA 9 is on par with a BGS 9.5 with a 9 sub-grade? I can tell you from personal experience cracking a few PSA 10’s (because I had already committed to a BGS set) and submitting to BGS the cards still came back a 9.5 with one 9 sub-grade so what does that tell you. Not all PSA 10’s are actually perfect all around then add the inherent variable of it all being subjective. The only difference is BGS is more transparent about it. It’s still a gem mint card.

RufussCkingston · 03-03-2022, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by discodanman45

I am not a PSA fanboy, but there is truth to this statement. There are a lot of people who buy SGC/CSG/BGS slabs to only crack and submit to PSA. Certain subgrades 100% helps or hurts the value of BGS slabs because of this. PSA is hardest on the corners and people that buy BGS slabs will always stay away from buying a BGS with a 9 for a corner.

Only applicable for a niche of the collecting community. Majority of all slab sales are NOT for cracking.....

MarsAttacks · 03-03-2022, 10:18 PM

BGS 9.5 with 9 corners is Gem Mint. If you think a PSA 10 can’t have corner touch then you are out of touch with how overall grading works.

discodanman45 · 03-03-2022, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RufussCkingston

Only applicable for a niche of the collecting community. Majority of all slab sales are NOT for cracking.....

That niche will drive prices and make certain cards more expensive due to desirability of what these crossover collectors look for. This will be even a bigger factor as PSA opens back up. Corners are the number one subgrade crack and resubbers look for.

discodanman45 · 03-03-2022, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

BGS 9.5 with 9 corners is Gem Mint. If you think a PSA 10 can’t have corner touch then you are out of touch with how overall grading works.

Much harder to get a PSA 10 with corner touch than a BGS 9.5. BGS 9.5 also tend to be stricter with centering. Just because PSA and BGS both have a Gem Mint, doesn't mean you can't compare the cards.

A BGS with a 9 corner subgrade typically won't get a PSA 10. A PSA 10 with 60/40 centering typically won't get a BGS 9.5.

mrgant · 03-04-2022, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by discodanman45

I am not a PSA fanboy, but there is truth to this statement.

Its funny. Anyone who follows along here knows that discodan is not a PSA fanboy. But you make one comment, and people spout off.

towerymt · 03-04-2022, 03:01 PM

I had two of these. I sent what I thought was the better one to PSA, not expecting a 10, but I thought it was possible. Got a '9'. I sent the lesser one to BGS, expecting best case, min-gem 9.5, and that's what I got.

I think the PSA-9 is the better card. I think the BGS 9.5 is the more valuable card. This is not the norm, but it's possible.

(white spots on the background are dust on the scanner)

majestik101 · 03-04-2022, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I am not a PSA fanboy, but there is truth to this statement. There are a lot of people who buy SGC/CSG/BGS slabs to only crack and submit to PSA. Certain subgrades 100% helps or hurts the value of BGS slabs because of this. PSA is hardest on the corners and people that buy BGS slabs will always stay away from buying a BGS with a 9 for a corner.

This.

Quote:

Originally Posted by threefromthetee

“9 corners on BGS kill resale value.” What a ridiculous statement. Spoken like a PSA fanboy.

I'm not a PSA "fanboy" but numbers don't lie. I know many clecters (myself included to an extent) who automatically turn their noses up at 9 corners because the chance to flip to a PSA 10 is much more difficult.

ThoseBackPages · 03-04-2022, 03:17 PM

9 aint gem

DaveedTO · 03-04-2022, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoPatchRookie

Assume BGS is 9.5x3 + 9.0 corners?

Would everyone rather have PSA 9 in this case?

Quote:

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I am not a PSA fanboy, but there is truth to this statement. There are a lot of people who buy SGC/CSG/BGS slabs to only crack and submit to PSA. Certain subgrades 100% helps or hurts the value of BGS slabs because of this. PSA is hardest on the corners and people that buy BGS slabs will always stay away from buying a BGS with a 9 for a corner.

BGS9.5 (10/9/9.5/10) = PSA10

03-03-2022, 11:50 AM	#1
AutoPatchRookie Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 257	PSA 9 vs BGS 9.5 with 9 corners sub Assume BGS is 9.5x3 + 9.0 corners? Would everyone rather have PSA 9 in this case?

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03-03-2022, 03:34 PM	#10
discodanman45 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: CA Posts: 9,974 danch27	I prefer the card I want. Many newer BGS slabbed cards severely over grade corners IMO. Some of the older labels did a better job. When I buy a card, I buy the card I want and not what the company tells me to buy. Saying that, many PSA 9's are really affordable and a great option right now. The PSA 10 multiplier over PSA 9's is insanity right now for many cards. You can get a PSA 9 1992 Topps Shaquille Topps rookie for $30 to $35 if you are patient. A PSA 10 goes for close to $250. I have a few of each and I can't tell the difference between the cards. PSA 9's are a great way to build a collection right now! __________________ Always looking for rarer Rik Smits cards and cards from the 2014-15 Spectra Global Icons set. Send me a message!

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,062 ThoseBackPages	9 aint gem __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

03-03-2022, 11:53 AM	#2
Boostedwrx Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 290	I rather have a BGS 9.5 then a PSA 9 but that's just me.

03-03-2022, 11:56 AM	#3
RufussCkingston Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,312	One's Gem Mint, the other is just Mint...

03-03-2022, 12:21 PM	#4
mrgant Member Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 112	Collector prefers the better card (9.5), flipper prefers the ROI (PSA).

03-03-2022, 12:25 PM	#5
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,103 beavers98	9.5 All day Everyday.

03-03-2022, 01:02 PM	#7
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	PSA 9 ftw. 9 corners on BGS kill resale value.

03-03-2022, 01:43 PM	#8
RandAlThor Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: O'Fallon, Missouri Posts: 425	I would prefer the 9.5, a gem mint, the other is just mint.

03-03-2022, 03:52 PM	#11
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	BGS 9.5 will always be considered a "Gem Mint" card. Even if its a min gem. PSA 9 will only ever be a "Mint" card no matter how you look at it

03-03-2022, 07:02 PM	#13
threefromthetee Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 537	“9 corners on BGS kill resale value.” What a ridiculous statement. Spoken like a PSA fanboy.

03-03-2022, 07:21 PM	#14
soicanbefree Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 725	9.5 is a better card

03-03-2022, 10:11 PM	#16
ChromeGems Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 52 chrome-gems	Has the craziness and disparity in perceived condition (and value) vs actual between BGS and PSA come so far that we are now suggesting a PSA 9 is on par with a BGS 9.5 with a 9 sub-grade? I can tell you from personal experience cracking a few PSA 10’s (because I had already committed to a BGS set) and submitting to BGS the cards still came back a 9.5 with one 9 sub-grade so what does that tell you. Not all PSA 10’s are actually perfect all around then add the inherent variable of it all being subjective. The only difference is BGS is more transparent about it. It’s still a gem mint card.

03-03-2022, 10:18 PM	#18
MarsAttacks Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 321	BGS 9.5 with 9 corners is Gem Mint. If you think a PSA 10 can’t have corner touch then you are out of touch with how overall grading works.

03-04-2022, 03:01 PM	#22
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 9,051	I had two of these. I sent what I thought was the better one to PSA, not expecting a 10, but I thought it was possible. Got a '9'. I sent the lesser one to BGS, expecting best case, min-gem 9.5, and that's what I got. I think the PSA-9 is the better card. I think the BGS 9.5 is the more valuable card. This is not the norm, but it's possible. (white spots on the background are dust on the scanner)