What kind of defect is this?

vonhayes · 11-03-2021, 06:35 PM

Hey everyone,

I am not grading this card but I’ve seen this issue before on other cards and finally got a decent example to ask about. Among other issues, on the right edge it looks like a small part has been crimped or half-stepped on by a tiny leprechaun. The edge is completely intact despite the angle of the picture. For grading purposes is this considered a wrinkle? Or is this a severe major defect like a pinhole that is in 1 territory?

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RufussCkingston · 11-03-2021, 06:47 PM

Binder ring imprint?

jetcollectibles · 11-03-2021, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vonhayes

Hey everyone,

I am not grading this card but I’ve seen this issue before on other cards and finally got a decent example to ask about. Among other issues, on the right edge it looks like a small part has been crimped or half-stepped on by a tiny leprechaun. The edge is completely intact despite the angle of the picture. For grading purposes is this considered a wrinkle? Or is this a severe major defect like a pinhole that is in 1 territory?

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I've typically seen damage like that be caused by a binder. Usually the card was in a page in a three ring binder and there was too many pages, or wasn't stored well and it pressed up against the binder ring causing an imprint/indention. It could also be where the edge of the card slipped between where the ring closes and causes a crimp like indention. I don't believe it was a factory flaw.

Woodsy074 · 11-03-2021, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jetcollectibles

I've typically seen damage like that be caused by a binder. Usually the card was in a page in a three ring binder and there was too many pages, or wasn't stored well and it pressed up against the binder ring causing an imprint/indention. It could also be where the edge of the card slipped between where the ring closes and causes a crimp like indention. I don't believe it was a factory flaw.

More likely than not it is the above. The only other thing I can think of is that it was in a rack pack near the header and it was crimped during sealing.

vonhayes · 11-03-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jetcollectibles

I've typically seen damage like that be caused by a binder. Usually the card was in a page in a three ring binder and there was too many pages, or wasn't stored well and it pressed up against the binder ring causing an imprint/indention. It could also be where the edge of the card slipped between where the ring closes and causes a crimp like indention. I don't believe it was a factory flaw.

Thank you. Actually thank all three of you. I obviously didn’t think of that at all but I guess if there was a large enough binder and this card was in an inner pocket at the bottom it could get crimped by the ring and pressure from the cards on top. If this was a perfect card otherwise, would PSA treat this as “pitting” and best case scenario would be 1.5?

This one is obvious but there are some examples that are only seen under certain angles. I’m curious how graders treat this

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pip · 11-04-2021, 04:15 PM

At first I was thinking it was an indentation from a 3-ring binder but then I looked and you can see an impression on the opposite side/edge so it's most likely from a rubber band where the card was on the top of the stack.

vonhayes · 11-04-2021, 08:44 PM

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At first I was thinking it was an indentation from a 3-ring binder but then I looked and you can see an impression on the opposite side/edge so it's most likely from a rubber band where the card was on the top of the stack.

Wow great eye!!!! You got me to go back and pull the card out again. I was so distracted by the one hideous edge that I assumed it was unilateral. But I’ll be darned - there is a much fainter impression directly opposite the crimped edge. I think you may have the leading theory. Maybe the lack of symmetry of the crimps could be explained by the a rubber band being twisted on the one edge and therefore able to dig into that edge with more force? Guess I’m going to have to go the lab and try to replicate it on a stack of 1990 Donruss……..

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MarsAttacks · 11-04-2021, 09:17 PM

Rubber band, no doubt.

ThoseBackPages · 11-04-2021, 10:23 PM

agreed on the rubber band

seanbros55 · 11-05-2021, 12:24 AM

Probably murder.

dictoresno · 11-05-2021, 06:14 AM

ive had cards with crimp marks come back an 8 and 7 respectively, when all others parts of the card were perfect. they also were crimp marks inside of the edges, not on the edge. and if you were to grade this example, id be more concerned with the corner paper loss vs the crimp, thats where the true grading ding would come from.

vonhayes · 11-05-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dictoresno

ive had cards with crimp marks come back an 8 and 7 respectively, when all others parts of the card were perfect. they also were crimp marks inside of the edges, not on the edge. and if you were to grade this example, id be more concerned with the corner paper loss vs the crimp, thats where the true grading ding would come from.

Yeah, I think this would be a 2 or 3 wherever it would go - really not worth grading. The centering is not bad, but there is a piece of corner hanging off and I think the crimp on both sides is such an eyesore that it may count the same as a crease

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towerymt · 11-05-2021, 02:25 PM

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Yeah, I think this would be a 2 or 3 wherever it would go - really not worth grading. The centering is not bad, but there is a piece of corner hanging off and I think the crimp on both sides is such an eyesore that it may count the same as a crease

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'57 Topps baseball cards sometimes have a small slash/cut into the edge on the side. I'm guessing either from vending or factory issued damage. I've seen otherwise NM cards with that slice grade a 2 at PSA. I think a 3 is probably a reasonable guess for this card with that edge damage.

It looked like it could grade a 6 before that flake came off the lower left. So probably no higher than a 5 without the edge damage. Two grade drop from there seems plausible.

D-Lite · 11-05-2021, 03:01 PM

Yeah I looked at that before even reading it and it's from a rubber band for sure. That card was likely at the top of someone's stack to show off.

11-03-2021, 06:35 PM	#1
vonhayes Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: NC Posts: 216	What kind of defect is this? Hey everyone, I am not grading this card but I’ve seen this issue before on other cards and finally got a decent example to ask about. Among other issues, on the right edge it looks like a small part has been crimped or half-stepped on by a tiny leprechaun. The edge is completely intact despite the angle of the picture. For grading purposes is this considered a wrinkle? Or is this a severe major defect like a pinhole that is in 1 territory? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	At first I was thinking it was an indentation from a 3-ring binder but then I looked and you can see an impression on the opposite side/edge so it's most likely from a rubber band where the card was on the top of the stack. __________________ Dealers to avoid -- https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=14831085&postcount=1

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,228 ThoseBackPages	agreed on the rubber band __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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dictoresno Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 4,268 smzcards	ive had cards with crimp marks come back an 8 and 7 respectively, when all others parts of the card were perfect. they also were crimp marks inside of the edges, not on the edge. and if you were to grade this example, id be more concerned with the corner paper loss vs the crimp, thats where the true grading ding would come from. __________________ myslabs.to/smzcards

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RufussCkingston Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,291	Binder ring imprint?

11-04-2021, 09:17 PM	#8
MarsAttacks Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 316	Rubber band, no doubt.

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seanbros55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: From the 508 to the 707 Posts: 5,382	Probably murder.

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D-Lite Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,426	Yeah I looked at that before even reading it and it's from a rubber band for sure. That card was likely at the top of someone's stack to show off.