Should Bowman treat 1st like Topps Rookies for releases?

Raleigh504 · 10-28-2021, 08:56 AM

I occasionally open up Bowman product each year, and have been opening some Bowman Chrome recently. Most prospects only have their 1st in one product then they are listed as prospect cards in later releases, even in the same year.

Should Bowman adopt how Topps releases the Rookie Cards across multiple products throughout the year?

Or

Should Topps adopts how Bowman lists a players first card where only 1 product will feature a players TRUE rookie card?

Philthy · 10-28-2021, 08:59 AM

Personally I like that the 1st Bowman card is specific to 1 Bowman set. The only tweak is I wish is that the mojo autographs that are from a player's 1st Bowman set (as an example, Luis Rodriguez's auto in the 2021 Bowman Chrome mega boxes) also had the 1st Bowman insignia.

Luisrobertholi · 10-28-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Philthy

Personally I like that the 1st Bowman card is specific to 1 Bowman set. The only tweak is I wish is that the mojo autographs that are from a player's 1st Bowman set (as an example, Luis Rodriguez's auto in the 2021 Bowman Chrome mega boxes) also had the 1st Bowman insignia.

It’s a “first” bowman because it’s their first bowman.

It’s a rookie card because it’s during their rookie year.

LVDan · 10-28-2021, 09:45 AM

If I were a prospect trader, I’d prefer all the prospect cards from the debut year be labeled as a 1st for buyer/ market clarity. Sterling, Heritage, Sapphire, Mojo, all of them. It would raise the visibility and demand for all the other product singles without affecting the 1st chrome card too significantly IMO

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ThoseBackPages · 10-28-2021, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

If I were a prospect trader, I’d prefer all the prospect cards from the debut year be labeled as a 1st for buyer/ market clarity. Sterling, Heritage, Sapphire, Mojo, all of them. It would raise the visibility and demand for all the other product singles without affecting the 1st chrome card too significantly IMO

and topps would add the logo on all their cards until they have a RC

because its topps lol

Wander would have the "!st Bowman" on 2019, 2020 and 2021 releases lol

LittleJimmies · 10-28-2021, 09:55 AM

I like 1st and RC used the way they are. Wouldn't mind if Topps found a Rookie Cup/Future Stars-like treatment for prospects though. Possibly partner with one of the major baseball publications and give the players a Top-100 logo of some sort for the year when they make that respective list.

Philthy · 10-28-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Luisrobertholi

It’s a “first” bowman because it’s their first bowman.

It’s a rookie card because it’s during their rookie year.

Yes, I fully understand that lol

Raleigh504 · 10-28-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Luisrobertholi

It’s a “first” bowman because it’s their first bowman.

It’s a rookie card because it’s during their rookie year.

To play devil's advocate on this, for their first bowman card, why would all the parallels be labeled as such with the "1st"? Someone could say that Platinum and other Bowman brands such as draft and chrome are just parallels then.

*As I really don't collect Bowman 1st, I don't have a dog in the fight, but just found this all curious*

Raleigh504 · 10-28-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

and topps would add the logo on all their cards until they have a RC

because its topps lol

Wander would have the "!st Bowman" on 2019, 2020 and 2021 releases lol

For this 1st Bowman card, it would only be on that given year like the RC designation... so for all of 2019 Bowman lines, Wander would have his 1st on them. In the next years release then it would just be prospect.

LVDan · 10-28-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

and topps would add the logo on all their cards until they have a RC

because its topps lol

Wander would have the "!st Bowman" on 2019, 2020 and 2021 releases lol

No doubt E. This would require utilizing a 2nd binder tab in the Trapper Keeper.

ThoseBackPages · 10-28-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

For this 1st Bowman card, it would only be on that given year like the RC designation... so for all of 2019 Bowman lines, Wander would have his 1st on them. In the next years release then it would just be prospect.

oh, i agree with that. but its topps we're dealing with here lol

LittleJimmies · 10-28-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

To play devil's advocate on this, for their first bowman card, why would all the parallels be labeled as such with the "1st"? Someone could say that Platinum and other Bowman brands such as draft and chrome are just parallels then.

*As I really don't collect Bowman 1st, I don't have a dog in the fight, but just found this all curious*

They are totally different cards with different images from different sets.

JRX · 10-28-2021, 10:12 AM

How can you have more than one 1st?

corockies · 10-28-2021, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

How can you have more than one 1st?

You can't, unless your name is Wander or Jasson.

Raleigh504 · 10-28-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

They are totally different cards with different images from different sets.

Image Variation?

What about players that have 1st in Bowman and then in Bowman Chrome they have an autograph (their first autograph). Should that be labeled as 1st?

ThoseBackPages · 10-28-2021, 10:22 AM

well, there are a LOT of "Bowman" releases now

Bowman
Bowman Chrome
Bowman Draft
Bowman Draft Chrome
Bowman MEGA
Bowman Chrome Sapphire
Bowman Draft Sapphire

those above SHOULD have the same image (outside of image variations)

Bowman's Best
Bowman Sterling

FT35 · 10-28-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

and topps would add the logo on all their cards until they have a RC

because its topps lol

Wander would have the "!st Bowman" on 2019, 2020 and 2021 releases lol

Maybe they could fix it all with a “prospect” logo? That spans 1st Bowman and RC?

It would make it easy to see where the prospect is in their path and their hobby standing. When you see the prospect logo, you know he’s had a 1st Bowman but not a RC yet.

LittleJimmies · 10-28-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Image Variation?

What about players that have 1st in Bowman and then in Bowman Chrome they have an autograph (their first autograph). Should that be labeled as 1st?

Bowman (chrome subset) and Bowman Chrome are a unique one since Chrome is technically a continuation from Bowman (chrome subset) similar to Topps Series 1 and 2. So a players 1st base or auto in either should rightfully carry the "1st" logo. It is annoying that Topps doesn't follow this with auto in Bowman, base in Chrome subjects like Yoelqui.

jcfill · 10-28-2021, 10:36 AM

Isn’t the point of the 1st designation that it’s their “first card”, not first year of card? Why would it continue through different products, it’s not the same as a RC designation

txrngr34 · 10-28-2021, 10:46 AM

1st and RC are used exactly as they should be.

That said, I would like tighter controls regarding the accurate use of the 1st logo, and a standardized approach - based on debut - to when a guy gets his rookie cards printed instead of the arbitrary Topps decisions based almost entirely on money.

Skipscards · 10-28-2021, 10:47 AM

It's pretty straightforward how it is now.

crpav · 10-28-2021, 11:22 AM

I want them to fix the issue with players having say their 1st Bowman chrome in a product but no auto then a future product has their auto without the 1st logo and vice versa. If you can get their auto in you can get their chrome in the same product. Sucks when you want the player in a break and get nothing because no chrome or vice versa. Basically just put the player in only if you have both. If an auto is in there is no reason base non auto chrome can't make it since the autos are the harder to get aquired and put in.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 10-28-2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by txrngr34

1st and RC are used exactly as they should be.

That said, I would like tighter controls regarding the accurate use of the 1st logo, and a standardized approach - based on debut - to when a guy gets his rookie cards printed instead of the arbitrary Topps decisions based almost entirely on money.

Yup. This is exactly what I was going to say.

glassofwater · 10-28-2021, 11:25 AM

I like the rc logo,

but i wish bowman would do 1st bowman rookie card stamp, like they use to for nba, and nfl

Raleigh504 · 10-28-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Bowman (chrome subset) and Bowman Chrome are a unique one since Chrome is technically a continuation from Bowman (chrome subset) similar to Topps Series 1 and 2. So a players 1st base or auto in either should rightfully carry the "1st" logo. It is annoying that Topps doesn't follow this with auto in Bowman, base in Chrome subjects like Yoelqui.

As ThoseBackPages said above with the releases for Bowman. One would think that they would only appear once in a product unless they also had the 1st. Like the Bowman Mega box, to me if it is a spin off of another product then it should hold true with the 1st designation.

View Poll Results: What do you think?
Topps should follow how Bowman releases their 1st... in only 1 product	8	23.53%
Bowman should follow Topps.... release a players 1st for the whole year	5	14.71%
Keep it as is for each product	20	58.82%
Other?	1	2.94%
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10-28-2021, 08:56 AM	#1
Raleigh504 Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: NC Posts: 2,673 ig_bljhsports	Should Bowman treat 1st like Topps Rookies for releases? I occasionally open up Bowman product each year, and have been opening some Bowman Chrome recently. Most prospects only have their 1st in one product then they are listed as prospect cards in later releases, even in the same year. Should Bowman adopt how Topps releases the Rookie Cards across multiple products throughout the year? Or Should Topps adopts how Bowman lists a players first card where only 1 product will feature a players TRUE rookie card? __________________ https://myslabs.to/brasm_sports5 https://www.ebay.com/str/jrbuddysportsandmore

10-28-2021, 09:45 AM	#4
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,584	If I were a prospect trader, I’d prefer all the prospect cards from the debut year be labeled as a 1st for buyer/ market clarity. Sterling, Heritage, Sapphire, Mojo, all of them. It would raise the visibility and demand for all the other product singles without affecting the 1st chrome card too significantly IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,338 ThoseBackPages	well, there are a LOT of "Bowman" releases now Bowman Bowman Chrome Bowman Draft Bowman Draft Chrome Bowman MEGA Bowman Chrome Sapphire Bowman Draft Sapphire those above SHOULD have the same image (outside of image variations) Bowman's Best Bowman Sterling __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

10-28-2021, 10:46 AM	#20
txrngr34 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,196 txrngr34	1st and RC are used exactly as they should be. That said, I would like tighter controls regarding the accurate use of the 1st logo, and a standardized approach - based on debut - to when a guy gets his rookie cards printed instead of the arbitrary Topps decisions based almost entirely on money. __________________ Any offers I make are only good for 24 hours unless otherwise stated.

10-28-2021, 08:59 AM	#2
Philthy Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,145	Personally I like that the 1st Bowman card is specific to 1 Bowman set. The only tweak is I wish is that the mojo autographs that are from a player's 1st Bowman set (as an example, Luis Rodriguez's auto in the 2021 Bowman Chrome mega boxes) also had the 1st Bowman insignia.

10-28-2021, 09:55 AM	#6
LittleJimmies Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,549	I like 1st and RC used the way they are. Wouldn't mind if Topps found a Rookie Cup/Future Stars-like treatment for prospects though. Possibly partner with one of the major baseball publications and give the players a Top-100 logo of some sort for the year when they make that respective list.

10-28-2021, 10:12 AM	#13
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,936	How can you have more than one 1st?

10-28-2021, 10:36 AM	#19
jcfill Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 583 cardbrosphilly jcfill	Isn’t the point of the 1st designation that it’s their “first card”, not first year of card? Why would it continue through different products, it’s not the same as a RC designation

10-28-2021, 10:47 AM	#21
Skipscards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In Tribute To The Great Ryno Posts: 30,212 jlankf2 jmp4	It's pretty straightforward how it is now. __________________ Go Royals!! #RoyalsIn2015 <---It Happened!! #TEAMZinck Sometimes it is astounding that we are able to persist in a world so full of morons.

10-28-2021, 11:22 AM	#22
crpav Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,179	I want them to fix the issue with players having say their 1st Bowman chrome in a product but no auto then a future product has their auto without the 1st logo and vice versa. If you can get their auto in you can get their chrome in the same product. Sucks when you want the player in a break and get nothing because no chrome or vice versa. Basically just put the player in only if you have both. If an auto is in there is no reason base non auto chrome can't make it since the autos are the harder to get aquired and put in.

10-28-2021, 11:25 AM	#24
glassofwater Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 3,662	I like the rc logo, but i wish bowman would do 1st bowman rookie card stamp, like they use to for nba, and nfl