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Old 10-18-2021, 08:06 AM   #1
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Default CSG prices - Is this normal?

Since I should be getting my test sub for CSG back soon (maybe??), I want to set some expectations in selling price. I am seeing really soft prices on a lot of CSG slabs. These are auction prices which may be soft across the board.

Some examples.
Burrow Prism base 9.5 $60
Lamelo Hoops base 9 $11
NetPro Serena RC 9.5 $33
Tyreek Donruss Holo $17
Herbert absolute base $11
Saw a bunch of modern baseball rookies only get one bid at .99 and win the auction (most were graded 9).
Stuff with a pre-populated starting auction bid didn't get any action.

I get this stuff is part of the "base dump", but I would expect these to at least get enough to cover grading costs. Whoever graded all those baseball lost money on nearly every card.

I feel like even SGC prices on these same cards are a tick higher in each instance. I am waiting for my sub to get back to make final verdict on CSG, but there I will buying base at these kind of prices. A 9 graded card for a couple of bucks?
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Old 10-18-2021, 08:11 AM   #2
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Since I should be getting my test sub for CSG back soon (maybe??), I want to set some expectations in selling price. I am seeing really soft prices on a lot of CSG slabs. These are auction prices which may be soft across the board.

Some examples.
Burrow Prism base 9.5 $60
Lamelo Hoops base 9 $11
NetPro Serena RC 9.5 $33
Tyreek Donruss Holo $17
Herbert absolute base $11
Saw a bunch of modern baseball rookies only get one bid at .99 and win the auction (most were graded 9).
Stuff with a pre-populated starting auction bid didn't get any action.

I get this stuff is part of the "base dump", but I would expect these to at least get enough to cover grading costs. Whoever graded all those baseball lost money on nearly every card.

I feel like even SGC prices on these same cards are a tick higher in each instance. I am waiting for my sub to get back to make final verdict on CSG, but there I will buying base at these kind of prices. A 9 graded card for a couple of bucks?
I think CSG sports cards (lower pop stuff) are a long term hold until Fanatics starts printing using their licenses. Fanatics will wind up pushing CSG grading because of their connection and will eventually overtake PSA in popularity.

It's currently a buyer's market for CSG slabs.
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Old 10-18-2021, 08:16 AM   #3
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I don't see them overtaking PSA anytime soon. I do see them eventually being what BGS use to be. Maybe they will be the dominate "ultra modern" when/if Fanatics is pushing their cards in CSG slabs.

Agree it does seem to be a buyers market, I already am made I missed out on a few auctions assuming prices would be end up higher. A lot of chaff to get through at times to find the "good" cards though. I still think that is surpressing some of the pricing as well.
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Old 10-18-2021, 08:41 AM   #4
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Don't underestimate the power of social media influencers. I'm sure Fanatics will have them pushing CSG slabs eventually, which is part of what originally caused PSA to overtake BGS as the preferred TPG.
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Old 10-18-2021, 08:54 AM   #5
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Have my first sub with them coming back today or tomorrow. I had bought one & was very impressed with the clarity of the slabs. Have some BGS slabs that have roller marks on the slabs that look like crap, compared to CSG in my eyes.

It will take time for them to be recognized by the masses
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Don't underestimate the power of social media influencers. I'm sure Fanatics will have them pushing CSG slabs eventually, which is part of what originally caused PSA to overtake BGS as the preferred TPG.
It wouldn't surprise me if Fantatics did push CSG.

But to say they are going to take over PSA I think you are underestimating how much value is already in those PSA slabs that are already held by people with power and influence in the hobby.

Those influencers are not going to bend over to Ruben if he pushes CSG and lose tons of money.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Fantatics did push CSG.

But to say they are going to take over PSA I think you are underestimating how much value is already in those PSA slabs that are already held by people with power and influence in the hobby.

Those influencers are not going to bend over to Ruben if he pushes CSG and lose tons of money.

It’ll be interesting to see in the coming years, for sure. They may not overtake PSA, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they solidify themselves as #2 behind PSA.


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Old 10-18-2021, 09:50 AM   #8
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CSG is the future for sure. They will be #2 within the next couple years easily, and compete for #1 but I honestly dont think anyone will overtake PSA when they dont have enough 10s on the market/give enough 10s etc. What may help them is PSA now making it harder to get a 10.

But newcomers just know "10 out of 10" and easier to understand at face value as opposed to "So with X grading Company I should really respect and value a 9 or 9.5"

That is what keeps the action on PSA 10s. Because for every CSG 9 or 9.5 you see selling or next to nothing I can show PSA 9s doing the same. Maybe not card for card, but quality cards none the less.

CSG is great for PC right now, and future flips if one so chooses, but def not short term flipping as its hard to get a 10. SGC is likely currently best value for flippers.
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Buyer market for CSG slabs is far too small right now. I would not auction any CSG slabs. Set your price and wait for someone to buy. Makes you very illiquid, but the alternative seems worse.
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Fanatics will turn into like a youtube where breakers break on their platform , in the portal will be the option for the breaker to send to CSG if the customer elects/asks etc. their will be an incentive for the breaker if the customer wants this making them happy to do so.

Inside CSG when your order pops you will have the ability to ship home or vault.

From vaulting you will be able to ultimately 3rd party list on Fanatics web store where they handle all shipping etc. If buyer chooses to put in their vault all happens digitally, seamlessly and there are fees across the way for all involved.

Breaking, grading, vaulting, selling all in one spot.

PSA will need to adapt big time and should be trying to copy the above model asap.

Only problem will be that breakers on Fanatics will have no problem getting product where Fanatics can put the clamps to breakers who feature on PSA if they so choose. It will force those breakers to get product through distributors and have to take on lower margins to compete with those on Fanatics.
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Buyer market for CSG slabs is far too small right now. I would not auction any CSG slabs. Set your price and wait for someone to buy. Makes you very illiquid, but the alternative seems worse.
Agreed. The more people get a CSG slab in hand the more people will value an respect them , so it just takes time. great slab.
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the biggest part of breaking for Fanatics is its gambling, and Fanatics is heavily invested for sports betting as its becoming more legal in more states. Having access to the data of people who sports bet via trading cards in breaks gives them a lot of data for marketing purposes for the future of sports betting. They value this data A LOT.
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Old 10-18-2021, 10:13 AM   #13
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Fanatics will turn into like a youtube where breakers break on their platform , in the portal will be the option for the breaker to send to CSG if the customer elects/asks etc. their will be an incentive for the breaker if the customer wants this making them happy to do so.

Inside CSG when your order pops you will have the ability to ship home or vault.

From vaulting you will be able to ultimately 3rd party list on Fanatics web store where they handle all shipping etc. If buyer chooses to put in their vault all happens digitally, seamlessly and there are fees across the way for all involved.

Breaking, grading, vaulting, selling all in one spot.

PSA will need to adapt big time and should be trying to copy the above model asap.

Only problem will be that breakers on Fanatics will have no problem getting product where Fanatics can put the clamps to breakers who feature on PSA if they so choose. It will force those breakers to get product through distributors and have to take on lower margins to compete with those on Fanatics.
Everything you just said is pure speculation.
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Old 10-18-2021, 10:14 AM   #14
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Since I should be getting my test sub for CSG back soon (maybe??), I want to set some expectations in selling price. I am seeing really soft prices on a lot of CSG slabs. These are auction prices which may be soft across the board.

Some examples.
Burrow Prism base 9.5 $60
Lamelo Hoops base 9 $11
NetPro Serena RC 9.5 $33
Tyreek Donruss Holo $17
Herbert absolute base $11
Saw a bunch of modern baseball rookies only get one bid at .99 and win the auction (most were graded 9).
Stuff with a pre-populated starting auction bid didn't get any action.
I follow Tyreek Hill a bit and that price is an anomaly considering the raw version will easily fetch $25. I don't follow CGS yet, but perhaps I should start scouting at those prices. That said, I do think the slab market in general is a little soft on 9's and that might be part of the problem. My PSA 9 Chris Godwin 2017 Prizm only fetched $13.50 last night which resulted in an effective loss on a mint Super Bowl winning rookie card. My 10 stuff is still getting respectable hammers.
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Agreed. The more people get a CSG slab in hand the more people will value an respect them , so it just takes time. great slab.
That is what you hope will happen. There’s no guarantee CSG will ever be more popular than it is right now. Collect first, and you will always be happy.
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CSG is a long term hold. They may never take off, but they are the most likely to based on fundamentals alone in comparison to all the other new TPG. After owning quite a few CSG slabs now, the labels don't look any more out of the ordinary than PSA labels.

They seem to have finally gotten through their backlog - my bulk subs from April are cruising through the system now. That should help.
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Old 10-18-2021, 12:36 PM   #17
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Why be a guinea pig? IF (and there's a lot of HUGE IFs in this thread), PSA becomes #2 behind CSG...just move your cards into CSG slabs (at that time). You dont get credit for being the 1st in the slab. You get credit when your card sells for the most possible! ZERO reason to be ahead of the curve, grading your cards with a 2nd tier company.
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Why be a guinea pig? IF (and there's a lot of HUGE IFs in this thread), PSA becomes #2 behind CSG...just move your cards into CSG slabs (at that time). You dont get credit for being the 1st in the slab. You get credit when your card sells for the most possible! ZERO reason to be ahead of the curve, grading your cards with a 2nd tier company.
CSG grading fees are pretty low in comparison to PSA and BGS. You can also grade in bulk with CSG.

Those are 2 reasons.

I'm also not sure what criteria you're using for "2nd tier" company... all signs point to CSG actually being the most accurate of the TPG.

Now, I'm not sending in my Luka Optic Holo Auto to CSG just yet - but anything that I want slabbed that's not worth the $150 PSA fee has been heading to CSG. Right now it's really hard to justify the $150 fee at PSA unless you're submitting a card at the top of the DV and luck out that it 10s and also doesn't get upcharged.
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I only like CSG slabs for color coordinated cards. My CSG 10 UD Tiger Woods looks amazing, as does all cards That have a green foundation. The other cards not so much and if there are no sub grades I am not buying, even for steal prices.
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Auctions are a sucker’s game for sellers anyway. Because they’re so high variance I would take a handful of recent sales with a big grain of salt.
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Auctions are a sucker’s game for sellers anyway. Because they’re so high variance I would take a handful of recent sales with a big grain of salt.
For a low volume buyer market like what CSG has? Sure.

I can throw up my low-end ultra modern PSA slabs of mid-tier to star RCs and get close to market value pretty much every single time. Auctions are the best. And quite frankly I’m happy that so many sellers opt for BIN instead.
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CSG grading fees are pretty low in comparison to PSA and BGS. You can also grade in bulk with CSG.

Those are 2 reasons.

I'm also not sure what criteria you're using for "2nd tier" company... all signs point to CSG actually being the most accurate of the TPG.

Now, I'm not sending in my Luka Optic Holo Auto to CSG just yet - but anything that I want slabbed that's not worth the $150 PSA fee has been heading to CSG. Right now it's really hard to justify the $150 fee at PSA unless you're submitting a card at the top of the DV and luck out that it 10s and also doesn't get upcharged.
"All signs point to CSG actually being the most accurate of the TPG"

What signs?
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"All signs point to CSG actually being the most accurate of the TPG"

What signs?
  • They actually do computer-aided grading to establish grades and find fakes/altered cards
  • They are strict on their grading scale while using the same scale as BGS (they don't just give out 9.5s)
  • Their slabs have the most fraud protection
  • Their cert pages include high def images of the graded cards

Best combination of accurate grading and fraud protection.
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For a low volume buyer market like what CSG has? Sure.

I can throw up my low-end ultra modern PSA slabs of mid-tier to star RCs and get close to market value pretty much every single time. Auctions are the best. And quite frankly I’m happy that so many sellers opt for BIN instead.

I have zero doubt that the average card sells for less via auction vs BIN on eBay. There are anomalies, sure, but no way that’s true across the board. eBay itself is a sucker platform for sellers in general, but I won’t go too far into the weeds here.
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Why be a guinea pig? IF (and there's a lot of HUGE IFs in this thread), PSA becomes #2 behind CSG...just move your cards into CSG slabs (at that time). You dont get credit for being the 1st in the slab. You get credit when your card sells for the most possible! ZERO reason to be ahead of the curve, grading your cards with a 2nd tier company.
Pay to grade, right now, you are correct. I wouldn't rush out and send anything out to them. If anything, like all supply chain issues, grading costs should come back down to earth one day any way.

But buying CSG slabs right now, at current costs from those suckers that did pay to grade, might be a good thing if it does take off with the power of Fanatics behind them.

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