Ebay Rant

[tnvolfan16]

Personally, i think that if I am bidding on an item and, say, i am the winning bidder at $300 and someone come in and outbids my max bid to, lets say $500 and no one else bids, then the auction ends, but the winning bidder does not pay and the seller files to cancel auction, I should be able to purchase said card for the $300 I was the winning bidder at before fake bidder bid came along instead of him relisting it. What are your thoughts?

[thenightman]

What's the item number?

[PSA2Pac]

Should be able to? Sure.

Are able to? It’s not set up that way, unfortunately.

Unless the seller wants to offer a ‘second chance offer’, nothing you can do.

[GOWIFB]

I guess I don't really follow your example. How if you are the max bidder at $300 does someone come in and win it for $500? If they bid $500 they would have won the item for like $305 or $310. And you wouldn't have even known what their top bid was.

[tnvolfan16]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

I guess I don't really follow your example. How if you are the max bidder at $300 does someone come in and win it for $500? If they bid $500 they would have won the item for like $305 or $310. And you wouldn't have even known what their top bid was.

in the example i am giving, i would have put in a max bid of, say, $495 and the non paying bidder would have bid $500, thus winning, but then not paying, or possibly this example being the seller under another account. now, i know what you are going to say and that is "well, you should be able to buy it for your max bid, in this case $495 because that is what you would have paid" but the problem with that logic is this: if that is the case, then anyone selling could list an item, then bid under a shill account to drive the price up then cancel the auction as a non paying bidder and sell it to the bidder who should have won it at $300, since there were no other bidders, and make another $200. there is a problem with that logic in my opinion. but i am sure there are other opinions

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

in the example i am giving, i would have put in a max bid of, say, $495 and the non paying bidder would have bid $500, thus winning, but then not paying, or possibly this example being the seller under another account. now, i know what you are going to say and that is "well, you should be able to buy it for your max bid, in this case $495 because that is what you would have paid" but the problem with that logic is this: if that is the case, then anyone selling could list an item, then bid under a shill account to drive the price up then cancel the auction as a non paying bidder and sell it to the bidder who should have won it at $300, since there were no other bidders, and make another $200. there is a problem with that logic in my opinion. but i am sure there are other opinions

Thanks for clarifying, I thought you meant that your max was set at $300. I will then go back to what I was originally going to say:

I disagree that you should be able to buy the item at your prior high bid in this scenario. Who is to say that the buyer that bid $500 and didn't pay ended up preventing others from bidding? Like if they hadn't bid someone else may have come in and bid $350 or $400.

I can also give a more extreme example. Lets say you put in your max bid at $495 early and someone else really wants the same card and bids at least $500. But when you bid you were the max bidder at only $20. If the $500 person doesn't pay then does that mean you should be able to buy the card for $20 since that was the last price the auction was at before the non-payer came in and bid?

Now if the seller sends a 2nd chance offer for $495 I think it is ok to negotiate and mention if it hadn't been for the non-payer you may have won for $300 and see if he will give it to you for that price. But there should not be any rule in place that says you are allowed to just go in and automatically be eligible for the item at the previous high bid.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Thanks for clarifying, I thought you meant that your max was set at $300. I will then go back to what I was originally going to say:

I disagree that you should be able to buy the item at your max bid price in this scenario. Who is to say that the buyer that bid $500 and didn't pay ended up preventing others from bidding? Like if they hadn't bid someone else may have come in and bid $350 or $400.

I can also give a more extreme example. Lets say you put in your max bid at $495 early and someone else really wants the same card and bids at least $500. But when you bid you were the max bidder at only $20. If the $500 person doesn't pay then does that mean you should be able to buy the card for $20 since that was the last price the auction was at before the non-payer came in and bid?

Now if the seller sends a 2nd chance offer for $495 I think it is ok to negotiate and mention if it hadn't been for the non-payer you may have won for $300 and see if he will give it to you for that price. But there should not be any rule in place that says you are allowed to just go in and automatically be eligible for the item at the previous high bid.

this is the sticking point for me as well.

[aggie4ever]

The problem with your logic is you assume no one else would have bid above $300. There may have been multiple people willing to bid $350, $400, etc. but weren't willing to bid once it was already at $500.

If no one was really willing to bid above $300, then it shouldn't matter if it was relisted, you should win it again for that. If it gets bid up past $300, then you have your answer, you wouldn't have won it the first time for $300.

[GOWIFB]

Also I failed to mention it in my last post but in your scenario you would get teams of people ganging up to screw sellers, or heck just one buyer having 2 accounts. Let's say I see a $500 card and I can be the high bidder right now for $100. I take two accounts and bid $995 on one and $1000 on the other. This guarantees no one else bids. Now I intentionally don't pay with one account and so my other account automatically qualifies to pay at the prior $100 high bid. This situation would turn into a worse situation than shill bidding.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Also I failed to mention it in my last post but in your scenario you would get teams of people ganging up to screw sellers, or heck just one buyer having 2 accounts. Let's say I see a $500 card and I can be the high bidder right now for $100. I take two accounts and bid $995 on one and $1000 on the other. This guarantees no one else bids. Now I intentionally don't pay with one account and so my other account automatically qualifies to pay at the prior $100 high bid. This situation would turn into a worse situation than shill bidding.

This happens already in some cases its called bid shielding. A buyers uses 2 IDs to bid an item way up then at the last second they pull one of the bids dropping the bid price bids are placed early enough that would be bidders move on then the bids are retracted late enough that they don't get a chance to see it an react.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

in the example i am giving, i would have put in a max bid of, say, $495 and the non paying bidder would have bid $500, thus winning, but then not paying, or possibly this example being the seller under another account. now, i know what you are going to say and that is "well, you should be able to buy it for your max bid, in this case $495 because that is what you would have paid" but the problem with that logic is this: if that is the case, then anyone selling could list an item, then bid under a shill account to drive the price up then cancel the auction as a non paying bidder and sell it to the bidder who should have won it at $300, since there were no other bidders, and make another $200. there is a problem with that logic in my opinion. but i am sure there are other opinions

You put in a max bid of $495, saying that if need be you would pay $495 for that card.

If someone had bid up to $490 and you were the winner at $495 would you be ranting?

No.

[grade]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

Personally, i think that if I am bidding on an item and, say, i am the winning bidder at $300 and someone come in and outbids my max bid to, lets say $500 and no one else bids, then the auction ends, but the winning bidder does not pay and the seller files to cancel auction, I should be able to purchase said card for the $300 I was the winning bidder at before fake bidder bid came along instead of him relisting it. What are your thoughts?

hard to read the situation. What if a third buyer wanted to pay $400 but seen the price at $500 already and gave up? The $500 price might have scared away other buyers so $300 might not be the right price.

Who knows?

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

Personally, i think that if I am bidding on an item and, say, i am the winning bidder at $300 and someone come in and outbids my max bid to, lets say $500 and no one else bids, then the auction ends, but the winning bidder does not pay and the seller files to cancel auction, I should be able to purchase said card for the $300 I was the winning bidder at before fake bidder bid came along instead of him relisting it. What are your thoughts?

Has to be done thru a Second Chance Offering by the Seller. Just think of all the millions of auctions eBay has per year, if the seller had to give the 2nd highest bidder the option to pay, and tie up their inventory now with 2 Buyers who may not pay - instead of having the Control to cancel after deadbeat #1 didn’t pay.

It would create chaos on top of chaos

[forjlf]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

Personally, i think that if I am bidding on an item and, say, i am the winning bidder at $300 and someone come in and outbids my max bid to, lets say $500 and no one else bids, then the auction ends, but the winning bidder does not pay and the seller files to cancel auction, I should be able to purchase said card for the $300 I was the winning bidder at before fake bidder bid came along instead of him relisting it. What are your thoughts?

Ebay automatically cancels now after so many days of a winning bidder not paying. I think it is 4 or 5 days and I know this because it happened on an item I sold recently and there was no option for second chance offer or anything like that. I would definitely have offered it for the next high bidder up but in my case there were plenty of bids and bidders somewhat close to the ending price. It didn't matter because there was no choice for that.

I really wish there was a way for ebay to stop both the shilling and the driving pricing lower thing that was also mentioned in this thread. I can't get a good read anymore on sold prices because of all of the manipulation going on. I also don't see why bid retractions are allowed.

[49erRCCollector]

At the end of the day I never bid more than I would be willing to pay and I'm at peace with it. Shilling and all that nonsense is a somewhat unavoidable part of the 'Bay. But I think (?) I'm savvy enough to know when to pull back when I smell something's up.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by forjlf

Ebay automatically cancels now after so many days of a winning bidder not paying. I think it is 4 or 5 days and I know this because it happened on an item I sold recently and there was no option for second chance offer or anything like that. I would definitely have offered it for the next high bidder up but in my case there were plenty of bids and bidders somewhat close to the ending price. It didn't matter because there was no choice for that.

I really wish there was a way for ebay to stop both the shilling and the driving pricing lower thing that was also mentioned in this thread. I can't get a good read anymore on sold prices because of all of the manipulation going on. I also don't see why bid retractions are allowed.

They only automatically cancel if the seller has the automated system turn on. It used to open a claim automatically for the seller now that the process has changed after 4 days have passed it cancels it. So if you don't want it to automatically cancel you need to go turn it off.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

This happens already in some cases its called bid shielding. A buyers uses 2 IDs to bid an item way up then at the last second they pull one of the bids dropping the bid price bids are placed early enough that would be bidders move on then the bids are retracted late enough that they don't get a chance to see it an react.

I remember this occurring but I thought ebay put a stop to it a year or two ago. I thought now if you bid in the last 6 or 12 hours you can't cancel it like you used to be able to do.

[RW3FAN]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

This happens already in some cases its called bid shielding. A buyers uses 2 IDs to bid an item way up then at the last second they pull one of the bids dropping the bid price bids are placed early enough that would be bidders move on then the bids are retracted late enough that they don't get a chance to see it an react.

You can't retract that late in the game.
Bid retractions can't happen within 12 hours of the end of auction.
So you'd have at least 12 hours to see it and react.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by RW3FAN

You can't retract that late in the game.
Bid retractions can't happen within 12 hours of the end of auction.
So you'd have at least 12 hours to see it and react.

Correct. Thankfully, I don't have this problem with football. It's goofy low or no feedback Pokémon people that always bug me to cancel bids. I'm guessing they either bid on multiples or are attempting to manipulate hammer prices. I finally had enough of that crap, made the last guy take a strike, then added some verbiage to my auctions to hopefully scare away any more of those baboons.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by RW3FAN

You can't retract that late in the game.
Bid retractions can't happen within 12 hours of the end of auction.
So you'd have at least 12 hours to see it and react.

They can if there has been less than 1 hour since their last bid. This is only a recent change on bidding but does not change that it can happen. It can derail snipers which can raise price dramatically in the last few minutes of the auction.

https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/bid...ng-bid?id=4013

When you can retract a bid

You can retract a bid if:

The seller significantly changed the description of the item
You accidentally bid the wrong amount. For example, you meant to bid $20, not $200. In this case, enter the price you intended to bid as soon as you've retracted the incorrect bid

As well as the above, timing is also important when retracting a bid:

If there are 12 hours or more left before the listing ends, all of your bids can be retracted
If the listing is ending in less than 12 hours, you can retract your most recent bid if it's been less than an hour since you placed it

[altaeria]

Any cancellation should charge a fee of
10% of the cancelled bid/buy/offer number.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by RW3FAN

You can't retract that late in the game.
Bid retractions can't happen within 12 hours of the end of auction.
So you'd have at least 12 hours to see it and react.

This is definitely not true. Ive seen it happen a few times.

[f2tornado]

We’re updating our bid retraction policy for Sports Trading Cards, Non-Sports Trading Cards, and Collectible Card Games auctions. Starting June 30, 2021, buyers will no longer have the ability to retract bids on trading cards auctions without seller approval. Sellers’ decisions to accept or reject auction bid retraction requests will be final.

How the new auction bid retraction policy will work
Starting June 30, if you want to retract an auction bid, you will need to contact the seller via messaging on eBay and request a retraction. The seller, at their sole discretion, will be able to accept or decline your retraction request. If the seller does not accept your request, your bid can still win or lose the auction, and you will be required to make payment on any winning bid you submit. We also inform buyers on our "Bid Retraction Policy" page that "a bid is a binding contract."

As previously communicated, as of April 2021, if an item goes unpaid by the 5th calendar day, the seller may cancel the order due to non-payment. Regularly missing payments may impact your account. Check out our Unpaid Item Policy to learn more.

We appreciate your support and willingness to work with this new policy as we anticipate our trading cards policy update will make eBay a more trusted and fairer marketplace for all.

As always, thank you for buying on eBay.
The eBay Team

[forjlf]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

They only automatically cancel if the seller has the automated system turn on. It used to open a claim automatically for the seller now that the process has changed after 4 days have passed it cancels it. So if you don't want it to automatically cancel you need to go turn it off.

I remember turning off the automation sometime this past year. Maybe something got reset when they switched things over to the newer features. iT seems like there's been a lot of changes over the last year. The only setting I've touched since I started using Ebay again was the returns features.