Beckett messed up on my surface items - smh

[kwon34]

Hello all,

I finally got my items back from Beckett, some where 9's but the two main items I sent to them in a penny sleeve and card saver - somehow came back with subpar surface rating and I'm pissed. I have the cards since 1997 and in a cool climate area of my home, encapsulation for the past years and I get this back, these were my treasure.

What can be done? I emailed the Rep that helped get my items graded faster since they did away with standard and etc. & only were doing Premium.
I'm at lost because someone mishandled these items

thanks

[PSA2Pac]

Are you saying Beckett damaged the surface or are you saying, because you've had them stored/put away, that nothing could have been wrong with the surface?

Cards get pulled every day, fresh outta the pack, that come with surface dings, scratches, creases etc etc

Did you fine-tooth comb the front/back surface before submission?

I think surface is the one thing that gets overlooked the most when people sub cards. Also usually the biggest culprit on cards that, look great, but come back with wild low grades

Unable to determine anything from those pics. Even with good pics, surface issues can sometimes only be seen in-person and at an angle. Gotta be a crease on those cards (check the back, lot of people overlook those hairline creases). I have a card I purchased recently that looks great on front, but the back has a thin hairline inch-long crease, that doesnt show at all on the front.

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[kwon34]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Wait are you saying Beckett damaged the surface or, are you saying, because youve had them stored/put away that nothing could have been wrong with the surface?

Cards get pulled every day, fresh outta the pack, that come with surface dings, scratches, etc etc

Did you fine-tooth comb the front/back surface before submission?

I think surface is the one thing that gets overlooked the most when people sub cards. Also usually the biggest culprit on cards that, look great, but come back with wild low grades (6-8)

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Yes and Yes to your question!
Did you fine-tooth comb the front/back surface before submission?
I had another Kobe card in the same year and I used the same method of storing and the surface was 7.5 or 8 but this one 2.5 - Get outta here!

[rohara99]

Those cards could easily have been a 2.5 or 4.0 surface out of the pack. Regardless of how you stored them for 20+ years.

FYI, the 2.5 surface will most likely have a surface crease or wrinkle. I'd bet there's a backside wrinkle that's not visible from the front. Look at it with a bright light at a sharp angle and I'd almost guarantee you'll find one.

[big4mi2ke0]

Theres a crease somewhere in there.

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by rohara99

Those cards could easily have been a 2.5 or 4.0 surface out of the pack. Regardless of how you stored them for 20+ years.

FYI, the 2.5 surface will most likely have a surface crease or wrinkle. I'd bet there's a backside wrinkle that's not visible from the front. Look at it with a bright light at a sharp angle and I'd almost guarantee you'll find one.

Did that and NOPE - no wrinkle on card prior to it being sent off I took pics before sending and there were no creases or wrinkle in either card

[theleica]

The Kobe at most would have been a 9 based on the centering and corners grade so it’s a ~$200 card and the Jordan would have most likely been a 9 as well so it’s a ~$70 card.

So you’re out $270. How much did you spend on grading?

[hairyangryfella]

Been there, done that.

They probably damaged it taking it out of the packaging you sent it in, and unfortunately they will take no responsibility or do anything about it. That kind of surface grade indicates creases. If it's anything like mine, they'll be somewhere near the middle where they've put pressure on.

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by theleica

The Kobe at most would have been a 9 based on the centering and corners grade so it’s a ~$200 card and the Jordan would have most likely been a 9 as well so it’s a ~$70 card.

So you’re out $270. How much did you spend on grading?

I sent in 7 items for 760.00 Express,

[LondonGames]

"since 1997" "these were my treasure".

Not impossible, but be honest. How could a base Kobe Bryant Chrome that was in many $1 boxes for many years be your treasure?

Considering how thick you're laying this on, I'll believe that Beckett did not damage your cards.

Sorry, but cards having surface damage is nothing new. Neither is people blaming Beckett.

[mrchipz]

These companies grade surfaces way to harsh and crazy.
A card should not get a surface grade of a 2 or 3 unless it has some of it missing or peeled or severely wrinkled and creased.
The way these grading companies lower the surface grade for the smallest little scratch or defect that you cant even see most of the time is nuts.
In comic book grading the book can have several wrinkles and spine ticks and still get a 7 or higher if everything else is about the same.
Card grading is beyond harsh with surfaces and it makes no sense.
I had a card i sent in to BGS years ago came back with 2 10 subgrades 1 9.5 and a 3 for surface.
The card has the smallest pin size dimple on the back.
So a spot that takes up less then 1% of the card attributes to 90% of the grade.
No sense.

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

"since 1997" "these were my treasure".

Not impossible, but be honest. How could a base Kobe Bryant Chrome that was in many $1 boxes for many years be your treasure?

Considering how thick you're laying this on, I'll believe that Beckett did not damage your cards.

Sorry, but cards having surface damage is nothing new. Neither is people blaming Beckett.

That's your opinion but to me at the time it was, along with my 1997-98 Finest Embossed Refractors #323 Kobe Bryant and 1997-98 Finest Embossed Refractors #154 Michael Jordan
Too eat it's own

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by kwon34

I sent in 7 items for 760.00 Express, all the 9 or 9.5 selling for more than 200.00 on both items ( a kobe 7.5 sold for 2400 and a jordan one sold for 4300)

Those were REFRACTORS. Yours are base cards. These are the treasures of your life and you don't even realize they are base chrome cards? You want refractors. Sounds like you made a mistake here and thought you had something you didn't.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by kwon34

I sent in 7 items for 760.00 Express,

Your cards are base. At the end of the day you spent ~$200 on cards grading them that are worth $270ish graded as 9s. You were better off leaving them ungraded but to eat it’s own.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by kwon34

Too eat it's own

Love this.

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[Ross]

These have fading and clearly degraded surface as a result. Of course they graded surface harsh…


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[kwon34]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Those were REFRACTORS. Yours are base cards. These are the treasures of your life and you don't even realize they are base chrome cards? You want refractors. Sounds like you made a mistake here and thought you had something you didn't.

correct - I have the refractors as well - too afraid to send them in - might try PSA - these are the others

[SHowley2003]

You showed less than 25% of the front of the Kobe and I think I can see a scratch. What’s the half moon shape across the white shirt at the top of the card?

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by SHowley2003

You showed less than 25% of the front of the Kobe and I think I can see a scratch. What’s the half moon shape across the white shirt at the top of the card?

That's my point! these items were sent in a card saver and a penny sleeve doubled packaged and these were the rating, and I suppose to send in my refractors of the same cards and more, NOPE

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by kwon34

That's my point! these items were sent in a card saver and a penny sleeve doubled packaged and these were the rating, and I suppose to send in my refractors of the same cards and more, NOPE

What does card savers and penny sleeves have to do with it though? A card with a crease, placed into a penny sleeve and card saver will still come out of the card saver with the crease lol

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by mrchipz

These companies grade surfaces way to harsh and crazy.
A card should not get a surface grade of a 2 or 3 unless it has some of it missing or peeled or severely wrinkled and creased.
The way these grading companies lower the surface grade for the smallest little scratch or defect that you cant even see most of the time is nuts.
In comic book grading the book can have several wrinkles and spine ticks and still get a 7 or higher if everything else is about the same.
Card grading is beyond harsh with surfaces and it makes no sense.
I had a card i sent in to BGS years ago came back with 2 10 subgrades 1 9.5 and a 3 for surface.
The card has the smallest pin size dimple on the back.
So a spot that takes up less then 1% of the card attributes to 90% of the grade.
No sense.

Cards and comics are two entirely different things, though (large paper book with binding and multiple pages vs tiny, single cardboard stock)

A card with a crease in it should get the grade it gets. Thats what separates a card with a crease from one without.

Your pin size dimple may not even be the cause for that low surface grade though. My guess is you are still overlooking a crease (which can be tough to spot if its not in the right light)

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Cards and comics are two entirely different things, though.

A card with a crease in it should get the grade it gets. Thats what separates a card with a crease from one without.

Your pin size dimple may not even be the cause for that low surface grade though. My guess is you are still overlooking a crease (which can be tough to spot if uts not in the right light)

this is what I took before sending it off - these were base cards as a test run but I have to seriously rethink about grading the refractors one

[kwon34]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

What does card savers and penny sleeves have to do with it though? A card with a crease, placed into a penny sleeve and card saver will still come out of the card saver with the crease lol

um okay - I sent pictures to the Beckett Rep who helped me and they agree the cards I sent in didn't have any "creases" or smudges on them - I'll let you know how important a penny sleeve or card saver would have to do with it, LOL back at ya

some of y'all on some other sheez,

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by kwon34

um okay - I sent pictures to the Beckett Rep who helped me and they agree the cards I sent in didn't have any "creases" or smudges on them - I'll let you know how important a penny sleeve or card saver would have to do with it, LOL back at ya

some of y'all on some other sheez,

Beckett got back to you in the past hour since you made this thread and agreed with you, based on the pics you sent over to them?

'Some of yall on some other sheeze' is right..

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by kwon34

That's my point! these items were sent in a card saver and a penny sleeve doubled packaged and these were the rating, and I suppose to send in my refractors of the same cards and more, NOPE

Got it. So all I have to do is penny sleeve, card save, and double package and I get a 9, right?