2021 Marvel Metal X-men

[One more set]

Presale hath begun! Can’t wait to see this one.

[finfangfan]

Think a lot of people are preordering this one.

[DynaEtch]

so that lasted a few minutes? lol...

[yaoming]

may they only presale a few boxes?

[DynaEtch]

Demand is going to be through the roof. Looks like the boxes are opening at around 150. You figure 2018 Ultra X-men boxes are now selling on the secondary market for 800+ with the same draw of PMGs. You can’t really compare the two since that’s an older release and boxes are scarce....but either way demand will be high for Metal.


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[BobCollects]

The original 1995 Marvel Metal set is one of my all time favorites but I can’t get excited about this new set. I don’t care about PMGs or parallels, I like to collect base sets and inserts. This has way too many parallels and an absurd amount of insert sets, plus no checklist and only preliminary images have been released. And the price of course. I’ll pass.


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[DynaEtch]

I like the look of some of the insert sets. They seem to fit the whole “metal” theme nicely.

I thought it was amusing there is an insert set featuring the periodic table elements: who would’ve thought we’d be getting educated by Marvel Metal cards of all things lol.

Upper Deck nowadays does have a thing for tons of inserts, parallels, and gimmicks that the 90s sets didn’t need to rely on to be great sets. However, I can see why they are doing it: people like to gamble and hit that huge 1/1 parallel or green pmg in a box. If I opened a box of 1995 Metal now (for who knows how much $), it’d be fun, but there would be nothing really unexpected to come from the box: I know I’ll get the base cards, some silver flashers, and red/gold blasters. Nothing of much surprise in the box- this is not something UD would likely do with a Marvel set (in the case of Metal, essentially the next “Marvel Retro” type set).

I will say the 95 Metal cards- even the technology itself used in the cards- looks great to this day (and they are included as buybacks in the 2021 set)...so it’ll be interesting to see how the new ones stack up against them. I feel like card technology had downgraded since the 90s...maybe it’s related to the fact a different company, Fleer/Skybox, used to make the cards.

[BobCollects]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Upper Deck nowadays does have a thing for tons of inserts, parallels, and gimmicks that the 90s sets didn’t need to rely on to be great sets. However, I can see why they are doing it: people like to gamble and hit that huge 1/1 parallel or green pmg in a box. If I opened a box of 1995 Metal now (for who knows how much $), it’d be fun, but there would be nothing really unexpected to come from the box: I know I’ll get the base cards, some silver flashers, and red/gold blasters. Nothing of much surprise in the box- this is not something UD would likely do with a Marvel set (in the case of Metal, essentially the next “Marvel Retro” type set).

Agreed, I don't think Upper Deck worries too much about set builders like me. At least not with sets like this. Just the base set is probably going to be a pain to put together with only 72 cards per box. Then there's another 100 high series cards and by my count seven insert sets: Planet Metal, Platinum Portraits, Palladium, Geodes, Purely Periodic, Arc Weld, and Blast Furnace.

[DynaEtch]

Yeah these newer UD sets can be a pain for set builders. I’m still working on 2020 Masterpieces and it’ll be a long and slow process. At least Metal doesn’t have a hierarchy of tiers like ‘19 Flair, but I don’t get the 100 card high series (isn’t a high series supposed to be a small add on to a base set...not the same size as the base set?).

It’s definitely a lot of inserts. I like the look of the geodes, arc weld, blast furnace, and the periodic table set....would be nice if it was just a small number of insert sets like that and do away with the rest.

The periodic table ones will be interesting...if I’m reading the sell sheet stuff correctly (maybe I’m not), it’s a character for various metallic elements on the periodic table, numbered to that atomic number. So the lowest would be lithium /3 (which is Deadpool) and beryllium /4, and then questionably boron /5 (a semimetal) and then not another one until sodium /11, and then ones after that. Clearly a set like this would not be that feasible to complete.

I thought it was interesting the PMGs are modeled after the original basketball ones where it’s 10 green followed by 90 red- seems like they are departing from the typical Marvel PMG scheme.

I completely agree though, this is not a set building-friendly set, much less master-set friendly one....90s marvel definitely better for putting together a compete set in a binder (speaking of that, if anyone at UD is listening....why no official binders for any of these Marvel sets....?). I miss that from the Fleer/Skybox days and even later with Rittenhouse.

[PurplesaurusRex]

You could pre-order these for $180 a box last week, now they're $200 a box? Ugh these online retailers...

[Wayne0328]

Does anyone know the release date?

Thanks

[Rictor]

I think the reason they do large High Series sets now is because of Epack. High Series cards tend to be physical cards while Low Series cards tend to be digital, and you have to combine a bunch of them for a physical parallel.

For the prices they charge on Epack, there shouldn't be any digital cards these days, especially considering Upper Deck keeps a much bigger percentage of the pack price when compared to physical.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Wayne0328

Does anyone know the release date?

Thanks

June 30th is the most recent date I've seen. Wonder if it will get pushed back again?

[Wayne0328]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

June 30th is the most recent date I've seen. Wonder if it will get pushed back again?

Thanks. Need to start saving money now ...

[Ryan117]

Has anyone actually been able to pre-order this one? Besides not being able to find any from legit retailers, they're showing up on ebay now from random people for $500-$1000. Based on the PMG math, there would be around 20,000 boxes. I'm guessing they won't print that many due to ePack, but are boxes really going to be this scarce to justify that kind of price?

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by Ryan117

Has anyone actually been able to pre-order this one? Besides not being able to find any from legit retailers, they're showing up on ebay now from random people for $500-$1000. Based on the PMG math, there would be around 20,000 boxes. I'm guessing they won't print that many due to ePack, but are boxes really going to be this scarce to justify that kind of price?

As you mentioned, half will be held back for epack, but there will still be plenty out there.

Online sellers like to play games, this site included. A few boxes will be posted for pre-sale, they will immediately sell out and more will be reloaded at a higher price. This will go on for months until the product drops with an artificially inflated price, which people will pay because they have FOMO.

Its not worth the wax price unless you have stupid money.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

As you mentioned, half will be held back for epack, but there will still be plenty out there.

Online sellers like to play games, this site included. A few boxes will be posted for pre-sale, they will immediately sell out and more will be reloaded at a higher price. This will go on for months until the product drops with an artificially inflated price, which people will pay because they have FOMO.

Its not worth the wax price unless you have stupid money.

I noticed a certain online store "sell out" @ $150/box and then throw a few more boxes out a week later @ $180. This happened about 3-4 times and the price is almost $300 now. And this is still a pre-order, talk about shady. Is Upper Deck getting a cut off the markup or what?

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

I noticed a certain online store "sell out" @ $150/box and then throw a few more boxes out a week later @ $180. This happened about 3-4 times and the price is almost $300 now. And this is still a pre-order, talk about shady. Is Upper Deck getting a cut off the markup or what?

Nah, just shady tactics by online sellers to milk every last dollar out of us.

Instead of preselling 30 cases worth at $150, they now sell 6 boxes at 150, then 6 more at 175, then 6 more at 200, then 6 more at 225...holding back 20 cases at the end to now say "oh well market price on these is $300 but look we have some available!"

People need to stop having FOMO buys once the price jumps, now we have a market of these $150 boxes at $300 and the content will never support it.

Watch how much complaining happens once people are ripping these at 300...

[One more set]

They won’t sell cases yet because they’re going to open them until they get the case hit and then sell the remaining boxes individually.

[yaoming]

Originally Posted by One more set

They won’t sell cases yet because they’re going to open them until they get the case hit and then sell the remaining boxes individually.

DA? I didnt know they will do that.


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[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by One more set

They won’t sell cases yet because they’re going to open them until they get the case hit and then sell the remaining boxes individually.

[Malavon]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Nah, just shady tactics by online sellers to milk every last dollar out of us.

Instead of preselling 30 cases worth at $150, they now sell 6 boxes at 150, then 6 more at 175, then 6 more at 200, then 6 more at 225...holding back 20 cases at the end to now say "oh well market price on these is $300 but look we have some available!"

People need to stop having FOMO buys once the price jumps, now we have a market of these $150 boxes at $300 and the content will never support it.

Watch how much complaining happens once people are ripping these at 300...

As a buyer I hate it, but I don't blame the online stores. If people are willing to pay double or triple the MSRP for a product, then of course they are going to sell at those prices. I think a lot of us would do the same thing in that situation. After all, this is far from a necessary commodity.

Originally Posted by One more set

They won’t sell cases yet because they’re going to open them until they get the case hit and then sell the remaining boxes individually.

Nope, not happening. There are certainly LCS' or individual sellers out there that do this, but not the big online stores.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Nah, just shady tactics by online sellers to milk every last dollar out of us.

Instead of preselling 30 cases worth at $150, they now sell 6 boxes at 150, then 6 more at 175, then 6 more at 200, then 6 more at 225...holding back 20 cases at the end to now say "oh well market price on these is $300 but look we have some available!"

People need to stop having FOMO buys once the price jumps, now we have a market of these $150 boxes at $300 and the content will never support it.

Watch how much complaining happens once people are ripping these at 300...

Is there anything in this set that would make a box worth that much? I kind of get why the Black Diamond boxes are jumping up in price, some of the celeb autos are selling for crazy amounts. I doubt any sketch card or artist auto in X-Men could compete with that.

[44gwilson]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Is there anything in this set that would make a box worth that much? I kind of get why the Black Diamond boxes are jumping up in price, some of the celeb autos are selling for crazy amounts. I doubt any sketch card or artist auto in X-Men could compete with that.

PMGs are all the rage atm. I won’t be surprised to see these boxes beat out black diamond in the long run.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Is there anything in this set that would make a box worth that much? I kind of get why the Black Diamond boxes are jumping up in price, some of the celeb autos are selling for crazy amounts. I doubt any sketch card or artist auto in X-Men could compete with that.

PMGs have been selling for lots recently. The green PMGs /10 will do very well. There are also 1/1s parallels- super hard to pull but will be very high priced.

This is a mainstream Marvel art set, and there appear to be a lot of buyers hungry for this type of thing (look at how fast 2020 MM sold out), not to mention the popularity of the Metal brand.

If you look at the other sealed boxes from this line (which I call the “Marvel Retro” type sets: includes 13 Retro, 15 Retro, 17 Ultra Spiderman, 18 Ultra X-Men, with the common theme of PMGs), they are all now scarce, and rarely show up on eBay (the ones that do are high priced, well over $500). So even holding on a box like this in the long run is a source of value.