Cards off Ebay

[IndianaCards]

So, I buy a couple of decently expensive cards off of Ebay. When I get the cards they are not as described, and they have damage and defects that couldn't be seen from the sh*t pictures the guy took. They were high end 90's inserts of Jordan, and in the pictures they looked to be legit, I figured there was a solid chance they could 9. There's no chance these cards are 9'ing, they'd be lucky to 7.

What made it worse is that in the description (which is what I largely went off of, being the pics weren't that great), he said "corners are sharp, cards in great shape, will grade very highly"...well, they won't grade highly. Not close.

I go to file the return and he's saying they didn't leave his house that way, which very well may be true, but it isn't my problem. I bought them expecting one thing, and got something entirely different, and now he tells me to "file a claim with the shipping company". I think this is bullsh*t personally, why should I have to put in work to get my money back? Anyone have any experience in this? I'm in the "right" here, aren't I?

I know if I were on the other end, I'd gladly process the return. My business is largely built on Amazon sales, so I'm familiar with shipping companies wrecking my products. Only thing I've ever asked of a customer in this instance is to send pictures to assist in MY claim, never would I push it onto the customer. To me, that seems like bad business, and unprofessional.

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[messier2]

You're going to get grilled for sure. Anyone buying on ebay expecting a gem, a 9 or something wonderful (no matter if the sellers claims gem or not), is asking for trouble. If they were gem or 9 or something wonderful, it would have already been graded already...especially Jordan.

No one should be buying raw cards on ebay expecting a mint+ card. Expect 8 or less for raw 90's inserts of highly graded players (Jordan, Kobe, etc.).

[elp11]

Eh. I might be in the minority here but I think this is on you. You should have asked for better pictures before purchasing if you weren’t sure on the quality and were “hoping” to send off to grade and get a PSA 9 or better. Most sellers on eBay aren’t treating this as a business and are just trying to get rid of some of their cards sitting around the house that are now worth a few bucks.

[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by messier2

You're going to get grilled for sure. Anyone buying on ebay expecting a gem, a 9 or something wonderful (no matter if the sellers claims gem or not), is asking for trouble. If they were gem or 9 or something wonderful, it would have already been graded already...especially Jordan.

I have never graded a card, only sell raw, and I believe the bolded part is incorrect.

[isles4life]

post a link to the auction

[gregr2]

Can you clarify where you bought these?

[Mac302]

I never buy any card off eBay with bad pictures. In this day and age there is hardly a good reason to have crappy pics....even the cheapest cell phones these days have good cameras.

It's lazy and if the person is lazy about their pictures for auction/BIN then, in my opinion, they can't be trusted to buy from.

[messier2]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

I have never graded a card, only sell raw, and I believe the bolded part is incorrect.

Well, then they are losing money. Some people like losing money?! Ok, I guess...to each their own.

[DiamondDonovan]

If people post bad quality pictures or don't show multiple angles, I tend to avoid.

Every card on ebay is "like new" and "mint/near-mint" are very subjective. A few sellers might point out some obvious errors/flaws in item description but they are in the minority.

End of day though, you'll get your money back because eBay constantly craps on sellers.

[IndianaCards]

I shouldn't have brought this here lol.

So, in the future I should just push off all my cards that are damaged or that won't grade highly onto unsuspecting Ebay buyers, and then hide behind the fact that they should have "done better research". I'll just say they're all excellent quality with razor corners.

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[byronscott4ever]

If seller is stupid enough to say they’ll grade high, it’s begging for a return

[IndianaCards]

Originally Posted by DiamondDonovan

If people post bad quality pictures or don't show multiple angles, I tend to avoid.

Every card on ebay is "like new" and "mint/near-mint" are very subjective. A few sellers might point out some obvious errors/flaws in item description but they are in the minority.

End of day though, you'll get your money back because eBay constantly craps on sellers.

In this instance, the seller deserves to get sh*t on. It's messed up to sell damaged cards to people, and describe them like they're perfect. That's misleading as f*ck.

If you don't think so, I've got some Jordan inserts for sale, the corners are tighter than J-Lo's as*, and they're BGS 10's.

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[elp11]

Originally Posted by IndianaCards

I shouldn't have brought this here lol.

So, in the future I should just push off all my cards that are damaged or that won't grade highly onto unsuspecting Ebay buyers, and then hide behind the fact that they should have "done better research". I'll just say they're all excellent quality with razor corners.

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Well based on the info you provided it seems like you were buying an underpriced card hoping for a dumb seller and to be able to flip it into a psa 9.

Post the link so we can see how deceptive the post was. And/or pics of the cards you received. Otherwise it just feels like you’re just upset because your plan to flip didn’t work out.

[gregr2]

Just open an Item not as Described case and return them.

[Pathora]

I had a card graded PSA 8 (in holder still) returned on eBay for not as described. The buyers can have too much control sometimes.

[IndianaCards]

Originally Posted by elp11

Well based on the info you provided it seems like you were buying an underpriced card hoping for a dumb seller and to be able to flip it into a psa 9.

Post the link so we can see how deceptive the post was. And/or pics of the cards you received. Otherwise it just feels like you’re just upset because your plan to flip didn’t work out.

It was an auction, I won the bid against many other bidders. The market value determined itself. Yes, I thought I could make money having them graded, what a concept.

No, I'm not gonna put all of the ins and outs of the transaction on here, you can either take it for what it's worth or keep scrolling. I have no reason to lie about it, it's not like you guys determine whether I get my money back. I just wanted feedback, like I posted, from people that had similar experiences/interactions.

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[jgrann13]

i tend to agree. i never graded before as well. If you get a card that is damaged beyond an 7 grade then return it. Raw cards are not always a cause for concern. As a matter of fact you may able to get much better prices buying raw.

I have also only returned an item two times and only because one was fake and was labeled tiffany and was not.

I enjoy buying raw cards. I think the value is there especially in this market

but if you want a gem BUY a gem!!

[IndianaCards]

Originally Posted by gregr2

Just open an Item not as Described case and return them.

I did, he's telling me he won't accept the items in a return, so now I have to involve Ebay which is a pain in the as*. God knows how many returns the guy us having to deal with, and it's on him 100%.

I run an Amazon business, and I learned very quickly that item descriptions were paramount, otherwise you're dealing with returns often, and eating shipping dollars in the process. Plus, 99% of the time the items don't make it back to you in the condition they left, just the nature of the beast.

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[elp11]

Originally Posted by IndianaCards

It was an auction, I won the bid against many other bidders. The market value determined itself. Yes, I thought I could make money having them graded, what a concept.

No, I'm not gonna put all of the ins and outs of the transaction on here, you can either take it for what it's worth or keep scrolling. I have no reason to lie about it, it's not like you guys determine whether I get my money back. I just wanted feedback, like I posted, from people that had similar experiences/interactions.

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Then it sounds like you paid what the market determined the value for a poor quality card? As others have said, if the pics are bad either ask for better pics or just assume the card quality is as bad as the pics are.

Or be prepared to go through the hassle of purchasing and filing a claim with eBay when you realize you’re not getting a perfect card.

[gregr2]

eBay will force the return. Yes it's a pain but it will be done.

[jcardstore]

If you wanted gem cards and the pictures were crappy you should have asked for more pictures.

This is half on you for not doing your own due diligence at least and since you've left out exactly how they were damaged it's hard to say how much lies on the seller here.

I'll never guarantee a grade when selling something because I've never graded cards so that was obviously the sellers 1st mistake.

[possaw]

Originally Posted by IndianaCards

It was an auction, I won the bid against many other bidders. The market value determined itself. Yes, I thought I could make money having them graded, what a concept.

No, I'm not gonna put all of the ins and outs of the transaction on here, you can either take it for what it's worth or keep scrolling. I have no reason to lie about it, it's not like you guys determine whether I get my money back. I just wanted feedback, like I posted, from people that had similar experiences/interactions.

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you want feedback on your transaction, but refuse to post the transaction? ok buddy

[IndianaCards]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If you wanted gem cards and the pictures were crappy you should have asked for more pictures.

This is half on you for not doing your own due diligence at least and since you've left out exactly how they were damaged it's hard to say how much lies on the seller here.

I'll never guarantee a grade when selling something because I've never graded cards so that was obviously the sellers 1st mistake.

It's not like they were antique 1920's camera crappy, but they were taken at a distance, and the bottom line on most cards is that you just can't see certain defects via pictures. Period. Unless the seller takes 15 pictures, which happens but is rare. On the one card there was a weird crease in the card that just wasn't visible via pictures. I'll post a pic of it, it's strange because it doesn't look like the card was actually bent but yet there's a clear crease there.

Personally, if I notice a defect I just list it as such. Why not just be straightforward? The way I've always looked at is, the customer is just gonna file a return anyways, so why waste the time?

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[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by IndianaCards

I shouldn't have brought this here lol.

So, in the future I should just push off all my cards that are damaged or that won't grade highly onto unsuspecting Ebay buyers, and then hide behind the fact that they should have "done better research". I'll just say they're all excellent quality with razor corners.

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Welcome to 2021.........

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by IndianaCards

It's not like they were antique 1920's camera crappy, but they were taken at a distance, and the bottom line on most cards is that you just can't see certain defects via pictures. Period. Unless the seller takes 15 pictures, which happens but is rare. On the one card there was a weird crease in the card that just wasn't visible via pictures. I'll post a pic of it, it's strange because it doesn't look like the card was actually bent but yet there's a clear crease there.

Personally, if I notice a defect I just list it as such. Why not just be straightforward? The way I've always looked at is, the customer is just gonna file a return anyways, so why waste the time?Attachment 503391

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I mean yea, this is obviously worth describing. Hard to argue there.