Why is Jo Adell considered a top prospect?

premium1981 · 02-08-2021, 04:31 PM

Can someone please fill me in on why Jo Adell is considered a top prospect? I will admit that I have only seen him play a few games but his numbers just do not back up him being a top level guy like I always hear people say. What am I missing?

Looks like the tougher the competition gets the worse he gets.

I see him being an average, AT BEST, player throughout his career. And yet, for some reason, he is constantly talked about as if he is some top tier talent. I just don't see it. Am I the only one? Am I missing something?

I love doing my new year research on all of the games top young talent, but he is a head scratcher for me.

pskell02 · 02-08-2021, 04:33 PM

SP auto hype wearing off?

Moneychrome20 · 02-08-2021, 04:35 PM

How about you look at his age at each level compared to others he is absolutely a nice prospect

mikecala98 · 02-08-2021, 04:36 PM

Raw athletic skills. I think late bloomer actually, he is not ready now.

boxbuster7 · 02-08-2021, 04:36 PM

About 18 months ago when he was really hyped I made the argument that it is because he is an Angel. I got chased away from the Jo Adell thread.

BigSlim16 · 02-08-2021, 04:40 PM

He'll be fine, he's just not ready yet. He'll only be 22 years old in April and Madden already said that he'll be opening 2021 in AAA to make adjustments

premium1981 · 02-08-2021, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneychrome20

How about you look at his age at each level compared to others he is absolutely a nice prospect

That is a crutch that gets used when a young player struggles. You can't use that with a 21 year old rookie (soon to be 22) when you have multiple players these days coming up at those ages and shining. Or younger.

oldgoldy97 · 02-08-2021, 04:42 PM

He’s on the Buxton schedule.

theshowandme · 02-08-2021, 04:44 PM

.298/.361/.518 in 3 minor league seasons, of which he was usually 3-5 years younger than the rest of the league.

He didn't get a full spring training last year, and didn't get the several hundred at bats he would have had prior to his August call up at 21 years old.

He will be fine.

premium1981 · 02-08-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

He'll be fine, he's just not ready yet. He'll only be 22 years old in April and Madden already said that he'll be opening 2021 in AAA to make adjustments

That is kind of my point though. How many great players come up and get eaten alive like he did? Sure, some struggle, but you don't see many top tier talents come up and struggle like he did. Which leads me to believe my gut is correct, and he just isn't going to be the player a lot think he will be. There are exceptions to every rule. I was just looking for someone to point me in the direction of something I was missing. So far I am not seeing any responses other than confirming responses. "He isn't ready" is obvious at this point. But will he be able to make the adjustments needed to become a star? I don't see it at this point.

Zauron · 02-08-2021, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

.298/.361/.518 in 3 minor league seasons, of which he was usually 3-5 years younger than the rest of the league.

He didn't get a full spring training last year, and didn't get the several hundred at bats he would have had prior to his August call up at 21 years old.

He will be fine.

He will be fine, in terms of solid MLB player, or will be fine in sustaining the hype for him and being an All Star player in relation to his hobby prices?

Skipscards · 02-08-2021, 04:50 PM

He's got a good face. And have you seen his girlfriend?

Boredlawyer · 02-08-2021, 04:53 PM

Top Prospect because the number of guys that turn into a Justin Upton is really low. That's like 98th percentile outcome for prospects.

His ceiling (pre Covid) was a .285, 35 HR, 20 SB guy. Depending on how much you think he's regressed indicates what his ceiling is now.

theshowandme · 02-08-2021, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

He will be fine, in terms of solid MLB player, or will be fine in sustaining the hype for him and being an All Star player in relation to his hobby prices?

What percent of top tier prospects do you think sustain their early hobby prices? Generally curious to what people think here. I have no clue. I would guess single digits.

I think he is in a good situation. 22 on Opening Day, will be mentored by Upton, Trout, and Fowler. Has a smart and patient manager in place. I think he will be a solid big leaguer, only time will tell if he's legit though.

Remmons22 · 02-08-2021, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

That is a crutch that gets used when a young player struggles. You can't use that with a 21 year old rookie (soon to be 22) when you have multiple players these days coming up at those ages and shining. Or younger.

21 is definitely a valid excuse for a kid who didn't have the benefit of being a J2 signee (in terms of age). I think this kid will be alright.

JustinVerlander07 · 02-08-2021, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

That is a crutch that gets used when a young player struggles. You can't use that with a 21 year old rookie (soon to be 22) when you have multiple players these days coming up at those ages and shining. Or younger.

Not an Adell guy, but this is dumb. Not every player is the same. Not every guy can come up and do well at 21 or 22.

oldgoldy97 · 02-08-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not an Adell guy, but this is dumb. Not every player is the same. Not every guy can come up and do well at 21 or 22.

Yes, but when they do well at 24 or 25 they are called old.

premium1981 · 02-08-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not an Adell guy, but this is dumb. Not every player is the same. Not every guy can come up and do well at 21 or 22.

Obviously they can't, because Adell batted .161 as a 21 year old. Call it dumb if you want, but others can come up and succeed at 19, 20, and 21. So when you see that kind of performance in todays game of youth it's a fair comparison. Even if you and all of your wisdom think it's dumb. Should we wait until he is 35 before saying he is overrated? Sometimes people fail because they are not what everyone thought they were. Not because they are too young. Hence the reason why I asked if I was missing something. But so far, not many people are taking up for him talent wise. Everyone is just saying he is young and he will be fine. With nothing actually backing that up to give anyone any confidence in his abilities.

JustinVerlander07 · 02-08-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Obviously they can't, because Adell batted .161 as a 21 year old. Call it dumb if you want, but others can come up and succeed at 19, 20, and 21. So when you see that kind of performance in todays game of youth it's a fair comparison. Even if you and all of your wisdom think it's dumb. Should we wait until he is 35 before saying he is overrated? Sometimes people fail because they are not what everyone thought they were. Not because they are too young. Hence the reason why I asked if I was missing something. But so far, not many people are taking for him talent wise. Everyone is just saying he is young and he will be fine. With nothing actually backing that up to give anyone any confidence in his abilities.

All I'm saying is writing a guy off because he struggled at age 21 is dumb. Maybe he's not good, maybe he's just average, but you don't know that because he didn't hit well in 2020.

Remmons22 · 02-08-2021, 05:44 PM

I'm not buying Adell, but this would be the exact thread I'd make if I was hoping to suppress his value.

theshowandme · 02-08-2021, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Remmons22

I'm not buying Adell, but this would be the exact thread I'd make if I was hoping to suppress his value.

Two days before his flagship rookie gets ripped...

cardsin47 · 02-08-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

He'll be fine, he's just not ready yet. He'll only be 22 years old in April and Madden already said that he'll be opening 2021 in AAA to make adjustments

Only? ......

mfw13 · 02-08-2021, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

That is kind of my point though. How many great players come up and get eaten alive like he did? Sure, some struggle, but you don't see many top tier talents come up and struggle like he did.

Mike Trout hit .220/.281/.390 his first year in the majors.

I'm not sold on Adell either, but not because of his struggles last year.

MoreToppsPlease · 02-08-2021, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Can someone please fill me in on why Jo Adell is considered a top prospect? I will admit that I have only seen him play a few games but his numbers just do not back up him being a top level guy like I always hear people say. What am I missing?

Looks like the tougher the competition gets the worse he gets.

I see him being an average, AT BEST, player throughout his career. And yet, for some reason, he is constantly talked about as if he is some top tier talent. I just don't see it. Am I the only one? Am I missing something?

I love doing my new year research on all of the games top young talent, but he is a head scratcher for me.

Because if there aren’t enough top prospects, people stop prospecting.

So they’re invented every year there isn’t a legit one.

caulaflour · 02-08-2021, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

That is kind of my point though. How many great players come up and get eaten alive like he did? Sure, some struggle, but you don't see many top tier talents come up and struggle like he did.

lol, this is literally what happened to Mike Trout his first season. Same sample size. Trout hit .220, I think, which qualifies as "struggling" for a top tier talent.

(...I'm not saying Adell is Trout, btw, or anywhere near it, btw)

02-08-2021, 04:31 PM	#1
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,382	Why is Jo Adell considered a top prospect? Can someone please fill me in on why Jo Adell is considered a top prospect? I will admit that I have only seen him play a few games but his numbers just do not back up him being a top level guy like I always hear people say. What am I missing? Looks like the tougher the competition gets the worse he gets. I see him being an average, AT BEST, player throughout his career. And yet, for some reason, he is constantly talked about as if he is some top tier talent. I just don't see it. Am I the only one? Am I missing something? I love doing my new year research on all of the games top young talent, but he is a head scratcher for me.

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Moneychrome20 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,818	How about you look at his age at each level compared to others he is absolutely a nice prospect

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mikecala98 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: LI Posts: 13,974 calacollects	Raw athletic skills. I think late bloomer actually, he is not ready now.

02-08-2021, 04:40 PM	#6
BigSlim16 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 4,332	He'll be fine, he's just not ready yet. He'll only be 22 years old in April and Madden already said that he'll be opening 2021 in AAA to make adjustments

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theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,068 theshowandme nova_cards	.298/.361/.518 in 3 minor league seasons, of which he was usually 3-5 years younger than the rest of the league. He didn't get a full spring training last year, and didn't get the several hundred at bats he would have had prior to his August call up at 21 years old. He will be fine.

02-08-2021, 04:53 PM	#13
Boredlawyer Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 2,131	Top Prospect because the number of guys that turn into a Justin Upton is really low. That's like 98th percentile outcome for prospects. His ceiling (pre Covid) was a .285, 35 HR, 20 SB guy. Depending on how much you think he's regressed indicates what his ceiling is now. Last edited by Boredlawyer; 02-08-2021 at 05:00 PM.

02-08-2021, 05:44 PM	#20
Remmons22 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 2,684 Ryaemmon-2 Remm22	I'm not buying Adell, but this would be the exact thread I'd make if I was hoping to suppress his value. __________________ I can still remember Pete Rose, on the top step of the dugout screaming, “F*** you, Shakespeare.