Trevor Lawrence or a qb from this past class?

[Bailey911911]

If starting an NFL franchise would you choose Trevor Lawrence or would you choose Burrow, Herbert ,Tua etc.

[oldgoldy97]

Herbert. Trevor is too ugly and the other two are gimps.

[Bulls90s]

Burrow is the best college QB I've ever seen.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Herbert IS Trevor Lawrence, but has proven it in the NFL already. If Trevor's rookie season goes like Herbert's, it'll be ROY and a complete success.

[Fratboy]

Trevor has the best hair.

I see Head and Shoulders commercials with Troy P and Mahomes, in his future.

[mfw13]

The skills of the QB makes a lot less difference that the quality of the team he is going to.

As numerous QB's picked in the top five have demonstrated, it doesn't make much difference how good you are if you end up on a lousy team with a mediocre offensive line and end up getting pounded all the time.

Note that the best QB's over the past fifteen years have NOT been top five picks.

Aaron Rodgers was picked 24th by the 10-6 Packers and understudied an HOFer.

Russell Wilson was picked 75th by the Seahawks, who finished 7-9 the year before.

Pat Mahomes was picked 10th by the 12-4 Chiefs, who had acquired the pick from the Bills.

And Josh Allen was picked 7th by the 9-7 Bills, who had acquired the pick from Tampa Bay.

Bottom line....who you get picked by is a lot more important than your skill set when it comes to determining how successful you are in the NFL.

[weeds73]

I was particularly underwhelmed by Trevor‘s performance last night. Admittedly, I haven’t watched him much outside of the college football playoffs, but I expected much more


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[WomenRespecter6]

Herbert by a mile.

I know this opinion won't be popular, but I think Zach Wilson is the best QB in this class.

[49ersSF]

Trevor Lawrence can be a solid pro and potentially be an occasional all-pro if he has great players surrounding him and a coach that knows how to fit him into an offensive scheme. The team that drafts him will really predicate his outcome because like many college QB's they are only as good as the superior talent around them. Colleges like Clemson always gets all the top recruits so they are always going to have and easier time against the competition. This is one of the reasons it can be difficult to gauge a college QB's ability to transition into the NFL which has the best of the best at every position.

The great QB's make everyone around them better. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning...these are guys that elevated average players to perform great. I just don't think Trevor Lawrence is that kind of QB. His NFL productivity will be similar to Carson Palmer at best. Since 1990 here is a list of the top QB's taken in each draft.

1990 Jeff George #1
1991 Dan McGwire #16
1992 David Klingler #6
1993 Drew Bledsoe #1
1994 Heath Schuler #3
1995 Steve McNair #3
1996 *no first round pick*
1997 Jim Druckenmiller #26
1998 Peyton Manning #1
1999 Tim Couch #1
2000 Chad Pennington #18
2001 Michael Vick #1
2002 David Carr #1
2003 Carson Palmer #1
2004 Eli Manning #1
2005 Alex Smith #1
2006 Vince Young #3
2007 Jamarcus Russell #1
2008 Matt Ryan #3
2009 Matt Stafford #3
2010 Sam Bradford #1
2011 Cam Newton #1
2012 Andrew Luck #1
2013 EJ Manuel #16
2014 Blake Bortles #3
2015 Jameis Winston #1
2016 Jared Goff #1
2017 Mitch Trubisky #2
2018 Baker Mayfield #1
2019 Kyler Murray #1
2020 Joe Burrow #1

So, for all you drinking the Trevor Lawrence kool-aid realize that just 1 QB over the past 30 years of top picks is a sure fire Hall of Famers. Matt Ryan has a chance at the Hall of Fame. Nearly half are busts. Most of these busts came with the same fan fair that Trevor Lawrence had coming out of college. Guys like Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, and Sam Bradford were all #1 picks in their draft and surefire franchise QB's with scouts drooling over their NFL potential.

Now, the players I would start a franchise with from either last years draft or this years would be Joe Burrow or Justin Fields.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by WomenRespecter6

Herbert by a mile.

I know this opinion won't be popular, but I think Zach Wilson is the best QB in this class.

I dont watch much college, but from what I've seen, I kind of agree. Him or Lawrence. I dont think Lawrence being a stud is a given...so much depends on the situation, coaching, weapons, and support. The further back you're drafted, the better situation you have. With QBs getting so little time to prove themselves these days, it really matters.

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The great QB's make everyone around them better. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning...these are guys that elevated average players to perform great. I just don't think Trevor Lawrence is that kind of QB.

I think we have to wait to see if Pat makes players better. What we know about him right now is he plays like the top QB is his ideal situation of right now. We've never seen Mahomes without elite coaching, weapons (top 3 WR, best TE), scheme, etc. The other guys there have had adversity.

[Brobocop]

Jaguars are my team. I am fine with them taking Trevor Lawrence. I am curious to see what they do in the draft with all their picks plus all the cap space they have in free agency. The GM spot is open. I'm pretty confident Marrone is gone after tomorrow. Jacksonville seems like a pretty good spot for a proven GM looking for a job.

That being said, I'd still take Trevor. He's going to be cheap for a while. He has a lot of positive buzz. I think if the Jaguars play this correctly, you can draft Trevor and let him sit for a bit rather than throw him to the wolves. I think the Browns wanted to do that with Baker when they signed Tyrod Taylor. I don't know if Gardner stays but I think they sign a veteran QB, let Trevor sit a bit, and hope your fans are patient enough to let it play out. I think that's key, the fanbase has to buy into this process a bit and not start a riot when the team starts off a bit cold.

[blackandgold]

You have all failed as armchair GM's lol Herbert has already proven he can be a franchise QB and seems to have a talented team on both sides of the ball that should mature with time Maybe a different coach and the Chargers are contenders for the foreseeable future

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Trevor Lawrence can be a solid pro and potentially be an occasional all-pro if he has great players surrounding him and a coach that knows how to fit him into an offensive scheme. The team that drafts him will really predicate his outcome because like many college QB's they are only as good as the superior talent around them. Colleges like Clemson always gets all the top recruits so they are always going to have and easier time against the competition. This is one of the reasons it can be difficult to gauge a college QB's ability to transition into the NFL which has the best of the best at every position.

The great QB's make everyone around them better. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning...these are guys that elevated average players to perform great. I just don't think Trevor Lawrence is that kind of QB. His NFL productivity will be similar to Carson Palmer at best. Since 1990 here is a list of the top QB's taken in each draft.

1990 Jeff George #1
1991 Dan McGwire #16
1992 David Klingler #6
1993 Drew Bledsoe #1
1994 Heath Schuler #3
1995 Steve McNair #3
1996 *no first round pick*
1997 Jim Druckenmiller #26
1998 Peyton Manning #1
1999 Tim Couch #1
2000 Chad Pennington #18
2001 Michael Vick #1
2002 David Carr #1
2003 Carson Palmer #1
2004 Eli Manning #1
2005 Alex Smith #1
2006 Vince Young #3
2007 Jamarcus Russell #1
2008 Matt Ryan #3
2009 Matt Stafford #3
2010 Sam Bradford #1
2011 Cam Newton #1
2012 Andrew Luck #1
2013 EJ Manuel #16
2014 Blake Bortles #3
2015 Jameis Winston #1
2016 Jared Goff #1
2017 Mitch Trubisky #2
2018 Baker Mayfield #1
2019 Kyler Murray #1
2020 Joe Burrow #1

So, for all you drinking the Trevor Lawrence kool-aid realize that just 1 QB over the past 30 years of top picks is a sure fire Hall of Famers. Matt Ryan has a chance at the Hall of Fame. Nearly half are busts. Most of these busts came with the same fan fair that Trevor Lawrence had coming out of college. Guys like Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, and Sam Bradford were all #1 picks in their draft and surefire franchise QB's with scouts drooling over their NFL potential.

Now, the players I would start a franchise with from either last years draft or this years would be Joe Burrow or Justin Fields.

The other factor that tends to get overlooked is that because the top QB's often play for the top programs, they do not play too many games against good defenses...maybe one or two regular season games a year plus maybe a conference championship games and a bowl game.

So it's often a big step up from college to the pros.

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The other factor that tends to get overlooked is that because the top QB's often play for the top programs, they do not play too many games against good defenses...maybe one or two regular season games a year plus maybe a conference championship games and a bowl game.

So it's often a big step up from college to the pros.

That is definitely one of the biggest reasons to be weary of QB's coming from top programs. Most of these QB's achieve success in college because they always have wide open receivers and their OL gives them al the time in the world. In the NFL, you have 2.5 seconds to get rid of the ball. You often have to hit receivers that have DB's draped on them with linemen in your face or with their arms up preventing a clear passing lane. In college, you might be considered a mobile QB but in the NFL you have 300 pound guys that run a 40 quicker than the college mobile QB. You spend 3 years at a cushy college where you have 5 seconds to pass and receivers who are often much quicker and talented than the DB's that cover and it's easy to succeed.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The skills of the QB makes a lot less difference that the quality of the team he is going to.

As numerous QB's picked in the top five have demonstrated, it doesn't make much difference how good you are if you end up on a lousy team with a mediocre offensive line and end up getting pounded all the time.

Note that the best QB's over the past fifteen years have NOT been top five picks.

Aaron Rodgers was picked 24th by the 10-6 Packers and understudied an HOFer.

Russell Wilson was picked 75th by the Seahawks, who finished 7-9 the year before.

Pat Mahomes was picked 10th by the 12-4 Chiefs, who had acquired the pick from the Bills.

And Josh Allen was picked 7th by the 9-7 Bills, who had acquired the pick from Tampa Bay.

Bottom line....who you get picked by is a lot more important than your skill set when it comes to determining how successful you are in the NFL.

The exact reason why I won’t spend a dime on Burrow.

[Gambit C10]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

That is definitely one of the biggest reasons to be weary of QB's coming from top programs. Most of these QB's achieve success in college because they always have wide open receivers and their OL gives them al the time in the world. In the NFL, you have 2.5 seconds to get rid of the ball. You often have to hit receivers that have DB's draped on them with linemen in your face or with their arms up preventing a clear passing lane. In college, you might be considered a mobile QB but in the NFL you have 300 pound guys that run a 40 quicker than the college mobile QB. You spend 3 years at a cushy college where you have 5 seconds to pass and receivers who are often much quicker and talented than the DB's that cover and it's easy to succeed.

Which is why I would choose Burrow. Many times the receivers weren't open and he did what he needed in and out of the pocket to find a target. There were many times a 1st down was needed to keep a drive alive and he figured out a way to get it done.

He's got some intangibles as a playmaker and a leader that push him to the top of my list.

[Gin&Juice]

Justin Herbert is 6'6", 237 lbs, has a cannon arm, can run, won the academic Heisman, and is arguably having the greatest statistical rookie QB season ever (350 yards tomorrow and he will have the rookie record for yards and TD). How is this even a discussion?

[matt roberson]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Justin Herbert is 6'6", 237 lbs, has a cannon arm, can run, won the academic Heisman, and is arguably having the greatest statistical rookie QB season ever (350 yards tomorrow and he will have the rookie record for yards and TD). How is this even a discussion?

Well for one, what fun is a forum if we cant debate?

Also winning and stats are different things....how's Kyler Murray doing? JK

Herbert looks to fit the bill and has the prototypical measurables, I hope he succeeds for years to come as I'm am not sold on a lot of these young starting QBs and wonder what the landscape will look like in 5 years after a bunch of the current QBs retire.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Gambit C10

Which is why I would choose Burrow. Many times the receivers weren't open and he did what he needed in and out of the pocket to find a target. There were many times a 1st down was needed to keep a drive alive and he figured out a way to get it done.

He's got some intangibles as a playmaker and a leader that push him to the top of my list.

True.

But Cincinnati's offensive line is so bad that I'm not sure he's going to stay healthy long enough to show his stuff.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by matt roberson

Well for one, what fun is a forum if we cant debate?

Also winning and stats are different things....how's Kyler Murray doing? JK

Herbert looks to fit the bill and has the prototypical measurables, I hope he succeeds for years to come as I'm am not sold on a lot of these young starting QBs and wonder what the landscape will look like in 5 years after a bunch of the current QBs retire.

For QB's, success is measured by how many rings you win, not by your personal stats.

With the way the game is tilted towards the offense these days, pretty much any QB can rack up the counting stats as long as they play long enough.

[pokerkeith]

here comes some trevor hate from me. The ACC is painfully weak and imo trevor was rarely ever tested except maybe 2 or 3 regular season games a year at most. I am not saying he will be an nfl bust but his career might be at best peak matthew stafford and not patrick mahomes the sequel. A lot depends on the new jags head coach as I imagine they fire doug marrone. Personally I like a lot what arthur smith has done with the titans.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Trevor Lawrence can be a solid pro and potentially be an occasional all-pro if he has great players surrounding him and a coach that knows how to fit him into an offensive scheme. The team that drafts him will really predicate his outcome because like many college QB's they are only as good as the superior talent around them. Colleges like Clemson always gets all the top recruits so they are always going to have and easier time against the competition. This is one of the reasons it can be difficult to gauge a college QB's ability to transition into the NFL which has the best of the best at every position.

The great QB's make everyone around them better. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning...these are guys that elevated average players to perform great. I just don't think Trevor Lawrence is that kind of QB. His NFL productivity will be similar to Carson Palmer at best. Since 1990 here is a list of the top QB's taken in each draft.

1990 Jeff George #1
1991 Dan McGwire #16
1992 David Klingler #6
1993 Drew Bledsoe #1
1994 Heath Schuler #3
1995 Steve McNair #3
1996 *no first round pick*
1997 Jim Druckenmiller #26
1998 Peyton Manning #1
1999 Tim Couch #1
2000 Chad Pennington #18
2001 Michael Vick #1
2002 David Carr #1
2003 Carson Palmer #1
2004 Eli Manning #1
2005 Alex Smith #1
2006 Vince Young #3
2007 Jamarcus Russell #1
2008 Matt Ryan #3
2009 Matt Stafford #3
2010 Sam Bradford #1
2011 Cam Newton #1
2012 Andrew Luck #1
2013 EJ Manuel #16
2014 Blake Bortles #3
2015 Jameis Winston #1
2016 Jared Goff #1
2017 Mitch Trubisky #2
2018 Baker Mayfield #1
2019 Kyler Murray #1
2020 Joe Burrow #1

So, for all you drinking the Trevor Lawrence kool-aid realize that just 1 QB over the past 30 years of top picks is a sure fire Hall of Famers. Matt Ryan has a chance at the Hall of Fame. Nearly half are busts. Most of these busts came with the same fan fair that Trevor Lawrence had coming out of college. Guys like Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, and Sam Bradford were all #1 picks in their draft and surefire franchise QB's with scouts drooling over their NFL potential.

Now, the players I would start a franchise with from either last years draft or this years would be Joe Burrow or Justin Fields.

Pretty wild that out of that whole list only 2 of those quarterbacks have won a super bowl and they both have the same last name.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by weeds73

I was particularly underwhelmed by Trevor‘s performance last night. Admittedly, I haven’t watched him much outside of the college football playoffs, but I expected much more


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Clemson's defense was garbage and his o-line gave him no time to throw. He was under pressure from a 3-man d-line...don't kid yourself, Trevor is 100% legit.

he ranks right up there with guys like Luck, Aikman, Peyton, and Matt Ryan as NFL ready from the get go.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Trevor Lawrence can be a solid pro and potentially be an occasional all-pro if he has great players surrounding him and a coach that knows how to fit him into an offensive scheme. The team that drafts him will really predicate his outcome because like many college QB's they are only as good as the superior talent around them. Colleges like Clemson always gets all the top recruits so they are always going to have and easier time against the competition. This is one of the reasons it can be difficult to gauge a college QB's ability to transition into the NFL which has the best of the best at every position.

The great QB's make everyone around them better. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning...these are guys that elevated average players to perform great. I just don't think Trevor Lawrence is that kind of QB. His NFL productivity will be similar to Carson Palmer at best. Since 1990 here is a list of the top QB's taken in each draft.

1990 Jeff George #1
1991 Dan McGwire #16
1992 David Klingler #6
1993 Drew Bledsoe #1
1994 Heath Schuler #3
1995 Steve McNair #3
1996 *no first round pick*
1997 Jim Druckenmiller #26
1998 Peyton Manning #1
1999 Tim Couch #1
2000 Chad Pennington #18
2001 Michael Vick #1
2002 David Carr #1
2003 Carson Palmer #1
2004 Eli Manning #1
2005 Alex Smith #1
2006 Vince Young #3
2007 Jamarcus Russell #1
2008 Matt Ryan #3
2009 Matt Stafford #3
2010 Sam Bradford #1
2011 Cam Newton #1
2012 Andrew Luck #1
2013 EJ Manuel #16
2014 Blake Bortles #3
2015 Jameis Winston #1
2016 Jared Goff #1
2017 Mitch Trubisky #2
2018 Baker Mayfield #1
2019 Kyler Murray #1
2020 Joe Burrow #1

So, for all you drinking the Trevor Lawrence kool-aid realize that just 1 QB over the past 30 years of top picks is a sure fire Hall of Famers. Matt Ryan has a chance at the Hall of Fame. Nearly half are busts. Most of these busts came with the same fan fair that Trevor Lawrence had coming out of college. Guys like Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, and Sam Bradford were all #1 picks in their draft and surefire franchise QB's with scouts drooling over their NFL potential.

Now, the players I would start a franchise with from either last years draft or this years would be Joe Burrow or Justin Fields.

who cares about HOF? honestly, most NFL franchises just want a franchise QB more than anything, they aren't thinking HOF with the 1st QB taken, they are thinking stability, playoffs, and hopefully Super Bowls, not HOF.

in that list you posted, easily, a lot of those QBs that didn't pan out fell under two categories:

1- they weren't really the best QB in the draft that year (like EJ Manuel)
2- the team that drafted them didn't take care of them (Couch and Carr)

with that said, go back to the list, and show me how many:

1- won MVP
2- made Pro Bowls
3- led their teams to the playoffs
4- won a SB

7 took their teams to a SB. Bortles and Alex Smith lost Championship games.

7 more never really got off the ground (Russell, Druckenmiller, McGwire, Klingler, EJ, Shuler, and Vince Young)

4 won league MVPs (Ryan, Peyton, Cam, and McNair)

just wanted to point that out, it's not always bad with these guys. it's a crap shoot for sure, but let's be real too, if you look at that list, you knew who the legit top QB in the draft was (Plummer over Druckenmiller), or you knew who was ready to go play in the NFL (Peyton, Ryan, Luck),

[Vdm2018]

Originally Posted by oplum29

Clemson's defense was garbage and his o-line gave him no time to throw. He was under pressure from a 3-man d-line...don't kid yourself, Trevor is 100% legit.

he ranks right up there with guys like Luck, Aikman, Peyton, and Matt Ryan as NFL ready from the get go.

I really hope so. We need Trevor to be really good, so we have a reason to collect his RC next year. I always like to keep collecting new players.