Why US sellers should stop using GSP for non-US sales

DontToewsMeBro · 12-06-2020, 01:28 PM

Very intelligent and simple explanation for what I've been saying for a year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj8a11IFm8

And before you start bashing the guy, here's a more complex long-winded explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqzGTzLv0A

BostonNut · 12-06-2020, 01:35 PM

Yeah, no.

GSP is a no-brainer to ship international.

DontToewsMeBro · 12-06-2020, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Yeah, no.

GSP is a no-brainer to ship international.

If you don't care about your buyers? Then yeah.

alessandrosam · 12-06-2020, 01:43 PM

I cant watch the full video now. But have bookmarked it for later.
Since ebay changed their GSProgam in September I have not made one sale overseas.
Have a had a few sales with instant cancelation after they see what GSP wants for taxes, shipping and custom fees. Things I have no control over.

But....
I am very interested in resolving this problem. The bulk of my sales from May to Sept were overseas. So this is a problem I would need to remedy.

shrevecity · 12-06-2020, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

If you don't care about your buyers? Then yeah.

I care about what works for me. As I have said for me its convenience. If a buyer does not like it there are plenty of other options no skin off my back.

Another thread complaining about shipping from you. Again maybe dealing online is not for you.

Sold 5 items last week through the GSP the buyers never batted an eye.

Whodey14 · 12-06-2020, 02:19 PM

I will absolutely only ship using the GSP. Had an international buyer try to pull a quick one claiming I sent a damaged item and eBay confirmed delivery to the GSP location and covered me completely. The cost savings to the buyer isn't my concern. If you want the item you understand what goes with it.

If not for the GSP I wouldn't ship internationally whatsoever. So it comes down to paying for service or limiting your options altogether.

mjohnatgt · 12-06-2020, 02:23 PM

Maybe we need an official "beating a dead horse" forum.

BostonNut · 12-06-2020, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

If you don't care about your buyers? Then yeah.

I’m forcing you to buy from me???

glen87 · 12-06-2020, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Very intelligent and simple explanation for what I've been saying for a year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj8a11IFm8

And before you start bashing the guy, here's a more complex long-winded explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqzGTzLv0A

GSP is the only way i would ship international - i only have to ship to KY and it is out of my hands. nothing more to deal with.

if you do not like it as a buyer, do not use it.

problem solved.

psochaps · 12-06-2020, 02:29 PM

Maybe sign up with a shipping service here in the US.

shrevecity · 12-06-2020, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psochaps

Maybe sign up with a shipping service here in the US.

That has been mentioned to him before.

shrevecity · 12-06-2020, 02:33 PM

Honestly the person in that video are the type buyers that make sellers want to use the GSP.

DontToewsMeBro · 12-06-2020, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrevecity

I care about what works for me. As I have said for me its convenience. If a buyer does not like it there are plenty of other options no skin off my back.

Another thread complaining about shipping from you. Again maybe dealing online is not for you.

Sold 5 items last week through the GSP the buyers never batted an eye.

I get it.

You give a $hit about selling internationally.

Fine.

Again, just so you understand.... I totally get that you don't care.

DontToewsMeBro · 12-06-2020, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrevecity

That has been mentioned to him before.

How would I know?

Just turned you off ignore.

Now back on again.

Sorry that I got curious about what god-like sage advice you would impart to the rest of us idiots about how to ship anything anywhere at anytime.

shrevecity · 12-06-2020, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

How would I know?

Just turned you off ignore.

Now back on again.

Sorry that I got curious about what god-like sage advice you would impart to the rest of us idiots about how to ship anything anywhere at anytime.

Use GSP. Like I say you do nothing but boo hoo about shipping that is all you do. You are the type buyer that is why so many sellers use the GSP.

Yesterday your thread was about buyers not reading 2 days earlier you posted a thread complaining about shipping when you did not read.

Do everyone a favor and stop buying and selling online.

Several have mentioned using other sources but you just ignore it and whine about the GSP calling those sellers who use it bad and horrible. Thank you for reinforcing why many prefer to use the GSP. Its buyers like you.

shrevecity · 12-06-2020, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

I get it.

You give a $hit about selling internationally.

Fine.

Again, just so you understand.... I totally get that you don't care.

No again its convenience. You do realize that you often cannot just drop international packages off at the PO and be done. Here you have to stand in line that can be 30 to 40 minutes some days. If I am at the other house on the lake its a 45 minute 1 way drive to the PO so again its convenience. Cards you can drop them off but 99% of my international shipping is not cards last item was a VCR/DVD combo. Yeah I have many reasons for the GSP on items like that.

Nobody is forcing it on you.

BostonNut · 12-06-2020, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glen87

GSP is the only way i would ship international - i only have to ship to KY and it is out of my hands. nothing more to deal with.

if you do not like it as a buyer, do not use it.

problem solved.

Apparently not...

checkoutmydeals · 12-06-2020, 04:42 PM

For many sellers, the choice is between shipping GSP or not shipping internationally at all.

With the current COVID craziness, I've had international packages which took 4 or 5 months to arrive. This was on a casual trading website, trading with people I've dealt with for years.

While it may be true that mail to Canada is relatively OK these days, you can't pick and choose your customers. Are you willing to shove a $50 stack into a plain white envelope and ship to Serbia? Croatia? Brazil? Italy? Even Australia and New Zealand are dicey these days. With GSP, you're all in or you're all out.

If a seller is willing to ship internationally without GSP, and if that seller is willing to accept the very real risks of doing so, then that seller might have a competitive advantage over the sellers who do not use GSP.

OTOH, if the risks of not using GSP outweigh the benefits, then the sellers who do use GSP have a competitive advantage over the sellers who don't.

In the end, everyone has to weigh the risks and their personal risk tolerance and do what makes sense to them. "Sellers should stop using GSP for non-US sales" makes as much sense as saying "Sellers should stop using First Class Parcel for US sales." For some people it makes sense, and for others it doesn't. There's no right or wrong.

anusinha · 12-06-2020, 11:29 PM

Ill happily ship first class mail international, if the overseas buyer is paying me in cash or paypal FF. Otherwise, nope.

chezball · 12-07-2020, 12:02 AM

don't hose me bro on the shipping.

coltsfan23 · 12-07-2020, 12:57 AM

If an international buyer wants to save on shipping cost, he can use a freight forwarding service. It's not the seller's fault that GSP is the only reliable option a seller has on eBay. Beats not offering any international shipping for the overseas buyers.

Cavaliercards · 12-07-2020, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Very intelligent and simple explanation for what I've been saying for a year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj8a11IFm8

And before you start bashing the guy, here's a more complex long-winded explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqzGTzLv0A

Good explanation, but it is an opinion.

Cavaliercards · 12-07-2020, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by checkoutmydeals

For many sellers, the choice is between shipping GSP or not shipping internationally at all.

With the current COVID craziness, I've had international packages which took 4 or 5 months to arrive. This was on a casual trading website, trading with people I've dealt with for years.

While it may be true that mail to Canada is relatively OK these days, you can't pick and choose your customers. Are you willing to shove a $50 stack into a plain white envelope and ship to Serbia? Croatia? Brazil? Italy? Even Australia and New Zealand are dicey these days. With GSP, you're all in or you're all out.

If a seller is willing to ship internationally without GSP, and if that seller is willing to accept the very real risks of doing so, then that seller might have a competitive advantage over the sellers who do not use GSP.

OTOH, if the risks of not using GSP outweigh the benefits, then the sellers who do use GSP have a competitive advantage over the sellers who don't.

In the end, everyone has to weigh the risks and their personal risk tolerance and do what makes sense to them. "Sellers should stop using GSP for non-US sales" makes as much sense as saying "Sellers should stop using First Class Parcel for US sales." For some people it makes sense, and for others it doesn't. There's no right or wrong.

This is the most common sense thing in this thread.

ga5150 · 12-07-2020, 09:16 AM

I haven't shipped internationally on Ebay. I've always had it turned off, but do get some requests occasionally to ship international. My packages will always be the same. 5x9 padded envelope between 2oz-7oz.

With that said, I've watched the video above and tried to learn a little about the Standard Intl. Shipping option. It seems GSP adds all taxes, duties, etc; to the item and only ships it Priority, which increases the price a lot (my items are usually $1-$10).

From what I see, Standard Intl. Delivery doesn't add those fees/taxes (maybe at delivery, but not up front) and I am able to print the label based on package weight/size like I normally do. No customs forms need to be filled out, as it's clicking a box during the shipping process and doesn't require manually writing out anything.

What I'm not clear on is if Intl. Standard Delivery includes tracking. If it does, it seems this option may draw more buyers for me because of not having GSP add all the international charges and required Priority shipping onto the price. It seems to be a more affordable option. Does that sound correct?

I've taken note that some of you say only use GSP, while others are open to different options. I'm trying to learn and make the decision that will benefit my particular selling the most.

Appreciate any more input on this topic and thank you to the OP for bringing this to light for me.

jlzinck · 12-07-2020, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

If you don't care about your buyers? Then yeah.

I care about me. My last 2 sales to Canada "never arrived"

If I ship outside the US it's GSP

12-06-2020, 01:28 PM	#1
DontToewsMeBro Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Proudly Canadian, eh Posts: 3,681 centurion-collectibles	Why US sellers should stop using GSP for non-US sales Very intelligent and simple explanation for what I've been saying for a year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj8a11IFm8 And before you start bashing the guy, here's a more complex long-winded explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqzGTzLv0A Last edited by DontToewsMeBro; 12-06-2020 at 01:33 PM.

12-06-2020, 02:19 PM	#6
Whodey14 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,762	I will absolutely only ship using the GSP. Had an international buyer try to pull a quick one claiming I sent a damaged item and eBay confirmed delivery to the GSP location and covered me completely. The cost savings to the buyer isn't my concern. If you want the item you understand what goes with it. If not for the GSP I wouldn't ship internationally whatsoever. So it comes down to paying for service or limiting your options altogether. __________________ thesportcardking on IG

12-06-2020, 01:35 PM	#2
BostonNut Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61,846	Yeah, no. GSP is a no-brainer to ship international.

12-06-2020, 01:43 PM	#4
alessandrosam Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 486	I cant watch the full video now. But have bookmarked it for later. Since ebay changed their GSProgam in September I have not made one sale overseas. Have a had a few sales with instant cancelation after they see what GSP wants for taxes, shipping and custom fees. Things I have no control over. But.... I am very interested in resolving this problem. The bulk of my sales from May to Sept were overseas. So this is a problem I would need to remedy.

12-06-2020, 02:23 PM	#7
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,753 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Maybe we need an official "beating a dead horse" forum.

12-06-2020, 02:29 PM	#10
psochaps Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,360 psochaps psochaps	Maybe sign up with a shipping service here in the US.

12-06-2020, 02:33 PM	#12
shrevecity Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 28,059	Honestly the person in that video are the type buyers that make sellers want to use the GSP.

12-06-2020, 04:42 PM	#18
checkoutmydeals Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,054 king-collect checkoutmydeals	For many sellers, the choice is between shipping GSP or not shipping internationally at all. With the current COVID craziness, I've had international packages which took 4 or 5 months to arrive. This was on a casual trading website, trading with people I've dealt with for years. While it may be true that mail to Canada is relatively OK these days, you can't pick and choose your customers. Are you willing to shove a $50 stack into a plain white envelope and ship to Serbia? Croatia? Brazil? Italy? Even Australia and New Zealand are dicey these days. With GSP, you're all in or you're all out. If a seller is willing to ship internationally without GSP, and if that seller is willing to accept the very real risks of doing so, then that seller might have a competitive advantage over the sellers who do not use GSP. OTOH, if the risks of not using GSP outweigh the benefits, then the sellers who do use GSP have a competitive advantage over the sellers who don't. In the end, everyone has to weigh the risks and their personal risk tolerance and do what makes sense to them. "Sellers should stop using GSP for non-US sales" makes as much sense as saying "Sellers should stop using First Class Parcel for US sales." For some people it makes sense, and for others it doesn't. There's no right or wrong.

12-06-2020, 11:29 PM	#19
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,766	Ill happily ship first class mail international, if the overseas buyer is paying me in cash or paypal FF. Otherwise, nope.

12-07-2020, 12:02 AM	#20
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,680 jabber	don't hose me bro on the shipping.

12-07-2020, 12:57 AM	#21
coltsfan23 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: US Posts: 10,210 coltsfan23	If an international buyer wants to save on shipping cost, he can use a freight forwarding service. It's not the seller's fault that GSP is the only reliable option a seller has on eBay. Beats not offering any international shipping for the overseas buyers.

12-07-2020, 09:16 AM	#24
ga5150 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Maryland Posts: 334 ga5150	I haven't shipped internationally on Ebay. I've always had it turned off, but do get some requests occasionally to ship international. My packages will always be the same. 5x9 padded envelope between 2oz-7oz. With that said, I've watched the video above and tried to learn a little about the Standard Intl. Shipping option. It seems GSP adds all taxes, duties, etc; to the item and only ships it Priority, which increases the price a lot (my items are usually $1-$10). From what I see, Standard Intl. Delivery doesn't add those fees/taxes (maybe at delivery, but not up front) and I am able to print the label based on package weight/size like I normally do. No customs forms need to be filled out, as it's clicking a box during the shipping process and doesn't require manually writing out anything. What I'm not clear on is if Intl. Standard Delivery includes tracking. If it does, it seems this option may draw more buyers for me because of not having GSP add all the international charges and required Priority shipping onto the price. It seems to be a more affordable option. Does that sound correct? I've taken note that some of you say only use GSP, while others are open to different options. I'm trying to learn and make the decision that will benefit my particular selling the most. Appreciate any more input on this topic and thank you to the OP for bringing this to light for me.