PJ washington or rui hachimura?

noaskiecards · 10-13-2020, 12:00 PM

Who are your top 3 nba sleepers for next year?
I know these two guys have potential, any others from 19 draft

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ClipsandVols · 10-13-2020, 12:31 PM

There is a "2020-2021 offseason buying thread" that was literally 3 posts down from yours.

messier2 · 10-13-2020, 12:44 PM

Every player not in the top tier are sleepers.

Ericc5Bears · 10-13-2020, 12:46 PM

Rui is Kevin Knox 2.0 with a ceiling of Kyle Kuzma and PJ is a 4 who plays in Charolette so no chance he ever gets hobby love. I'm never a fan of investing in "sleepers" but if I needed to pick 3 guys from '19 I'd go: Paschall, KPJ, and Bazley

colbycolbycolby · 10-13-2020, 12:48 PM

It's Thybulle since his D will keep him on the court. If he can develop (and he should) an offensive skillset, hell be a top 5 two-way player in 5 years.

FreshOutThePack · 10-13-2020, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ClipsandVols

There is a "2020-2021 offseason buying thread" that was literally 3 posts down from yours.

Posts like yours are definitely in the top 5 of most annoying things on blowout.

OP I would honestly go Rui over PJ.

Ericc5Bears · 10-13-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by colbycolbycolby

It's Thybulle since his D will keep him on the court. If he can develop (and he should) an offensive skillset, hell be a top 5 two-way player in 5 years.

23 year old rookie averaging 8 PPG per 36 = virtually 0 shot he ever develops even an above average offensive skillset

ClipsandVols · 10-13-2020, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshOutThePack

Posts like yours are definitely in the top 5 of most annoying things on blowout.

OP I would honestly go Rui over PJ.

Use the ignore button. I'll be sure to do the same.

GeechQuest · 10-13-2020, 12:59 PM

Rui...

jadg79 · 10-13-2020, 01:52 PM

Rui

But Coby White, Cam Reddish and Keldon Johnson could be in the conversation.

Keldon was really good in the bubble. He was expected to be a lottery pick.

Coby and Cam played well after the all-star game

Coby is a scoring machine and Cam have a good size and skills

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htn315 · 10-13-2020, 02:00 PM

Neither, Rui is overrated and Washington plays for the Hornets. I would go with Coby and RJ.

DiamondDonovan · 10-13-2020, 02:00 PM

Eric Paschall...a healthy Warriors team is very likely to make the playoffs once again and even with Wiggins, Paschall will be first off the bench and in regular rotation.

PKIPP · 10-13-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

Rui is Kevin Knox 2.0

Perfect example of somebody saying something just to say something. What are you even talking about man?

Ericc5Bears · 10-13-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PKIPP

Perfect example of somebody saying something just to say something. What are you even talking about man?

1. Both 3/4 tweener who are too weak of an interior defender to play the 4 but too unathletic to play the 3.
2. Both horrible defenders
3. Both put up decent counting stats their rookie year that gave fans false hope that they wouldn't be a bust
4. Both on terrible teams hence how they got the somewhat respectable counting stats

Rui is a 22 year old rookie who can't shoot the 3, seems like a bad finisher around the rim based on the eye test, and is an absolute defensive liablility. Unless he takes a massive leap forward next year he just plain and simple isn't a player that positively impacts a team in the modern NBA. Based on his rookie year his ceiling is a "sprak" off the bench that can get you 20 some games but his defense and inconsistent shooting will make him borderline unplayable anytime he isn't hot (Kuzma).

PKIPP · 10-13-2020, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

1. Both 3/4 tweener who are too weak of an interior to play the 4 but too unathletic to play the 3.
2. Both horrible defenders
3. Both put up decent counting stats their rookie year that gave false fans hope that they wouldn't be a bust
4. Both on terrible teams hence how they got the somewhat respectable counting stats

Rui is a 22 year old rookie who can't shoot the 3, seems like a bad finisher around the rim based on the eye test, and is an absolute defensive liablility. Unless he takes a massive leap forward next year he just plain and simple isn't a player that positively impacts a team in the modern NBA. Based on his rookie year his ceiling is a "sprak" off the bench that can get you 20 some games but his defense and inconsistent shooting will make him borderline unplayable anytime he isn't hot (Kuzma).

You make some fair points.. I just think Kevin Knox is the absolute worst. Comparing Rui to him I was like "what?!"

I get it from the standpoint they're a similar position and all that, but Rui is a lot more efficient than Knox. Only thing Rui is awful at is 3 point shooting, efficiency wise. I just see Knox shooting 35% from the field and Rui at 46.6% and I can't put them in the same company like that. EFG% Rui much better than Knox too.

I think the kuzma comparison is much more fair, minus kuzma bring a lot better 3 pt shooter

PSA2Pac · 10-13-2020, 03:23 PM

Cam Reddish

Spink · 10-13-2020, 06:22 PM

No expert. Rui is sharper shooter from mid-range. I think he will extend his range.

rippev · 10-13-2020, 06:23 PM

Between these two, I think PJ has a lot more upside. Rui is fine, but boring to me as a player.

ninjacookies · 10-13-2020, 06:50 PM

Mr. 'Nuthin But a G-League Thing' Knox could only dream of shooting over 40% from the field....in 2k.

The disrespect.

Right now, as overall players they're statistically very close. Washington has the better range and has a beautiful stroke, while Rui is a dog in transition and has the best midrange of anyone in the 2019 class. I don't think he'll have an issue improving his deep ball.

I believe Rui has the higher potential upside. He's slightly more athletic, explosive, and fluid. That said, I think PJ has the higher floor, because he's already a polished stretch.

The thing that scares me most about PJ, is he has the capability of falling into that Marvin Williams Charlotte trap of long term obscurity. I cannot name a single recent player from that franchise that's shined in the hobby. Even Kemba was a bargain basement find.

We at least have some sample data that Wall was a hobby monster many moons ago. But it's there. Plus, Rui will always have Japanese clectors to buoy his prices when things aren't going great. But if he ever does take that all-star leap, watch out. Could see some Yao type stuff with his bass rookies... /noracist

Fratboy · 10-13-2020, 07:04 PM

Does Dylan Windler not have his own thread yet?

exospheer · 10-13-2020, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Mr. 'Nuthin But a G-League Thing' Knox could only dream of shooting over 40% from the field....in 2k.

The disrespect.

Right now, as overall players they're statistically very close. Washington has the better range and has a beautiful stroke, while Rui is a dog in transition and has the best midrange of anyone in the 2019 class. I don't think he'll have an issue improving his deep ball.

I believe Rui has the higher potential upside. He's slightly more athletic, explosive, and fluid. That said, I think PJ has the higher floor, because he's already a polished stretch.

The thing that scares me most about PJ, is he has the capability of falling into that Marvin Williams Charlotte trap of long term obscurity. I cannot name a single recent player from that franchise that's shined in the hobby. Even Kemba was a bargain basement find.

We at least have some sample data that Wall was a hobby monster many moons ago. But it's there. Plus, Rui will always have Japanese clectors to buoy his prices when things aren't going great. But if he ever does take that all-star leap, watch out. Could see some Yao type stuff with his bass rookies... /noracist

Agreed. Rui has a much higher hobby potential. Could very well make an all star game or 2 and the Japanese collectors will be there.

Spink · 10-13-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Mr. 'Nuthin But a G-League Thing' Knox could only dream of shooting over 40% from the field....in 2k.

The disrespect.

Right now, as overall players they're statistically very close. Washington has the better range and has a beautiful stroke, while Rui is a dog in transition and has the best midrange of anyone in the 2019 class. I don't think he'll have an issue improving his deep ball.

I believe Rui has the higher potential upside. He's slightly more athletic, explosive, and fluid. That said, I think PJ has the higher floor, because he's already a polished stretch.

The thing that scares me most about PJ, is he has the capability of falling into that Marvin Williams Charlotte trap of long term obscurity. I cannot name a single recent player from that franchise that's shined in the hobby. Even Kemba was a bargain basement find.

We at least have some sample data that Wall was a hobby monster many moons ago. But it's there. Plus, Rui will always have Japanese clectors to buoy his prices when things aren't going great. But if he ever does take that all-star leap, watch out. Could see some Yao type stuff with his bass rookies... /noracist

Thanks for reminding me were talking about hobby prices. I thought we were talking about them as players. Thanks! 4 real!

n1nesports · 10-13-2020, 10:56 PM

cassijon · 10-14-2020, 12:25 AM

hands down, Eric Paschall.

crazymj · 10-14-2020, 01:04 AM

I heard about this kid named herro something, gonna try to pick up some stuff for cheap before others jump on

10-13-2020, 12:00 PM	#1
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ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,972	Mr. 'Nuthin But a G-League Thing' Knox could only dream of shooting over 40% from the field....in 2k. The disrespect. Right now, as overall players they're statistically very close. Washington has the better range and has a beautiful stroke, while Rui is a dog in transition and has the best midrange of anyone in the 2019 class. I don't think he'll have an issue improving his deep ball. I believe Rui has the higher potential upside. He's slightly more athletic, explosive, and fluid. That said, I think PJ has the higher floor, because he's already a polished stretch. The thing that scares me most about PJ, is he has the capability of falling into that Marvin Williams Charlotte trap of long term obscurity. I cannot name a single recent player from that franchise that's shined in the hobby. Even Kemba was a bargain basement find. We at least have some sample data that Wall was a hobby monster many moons ago. But it's there. Plus, Rui will always have Japanese clectors to buoy his prices when things aren't going great. But if he ever does take that all-star leap, watch out. Could see some Yao type stuff with his bass rookies... /noracist __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

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10-13-2020, 12:44 PM	#3
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,295	Every player not in the top tier are sleepers.

10-13-2020, 12:46 PM	#4
Ericc5Bears Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,264	Rui is Kevin Knox 2.0 with a ceiling of Kyle Kuzma and PJ is a 4 who plays in Charolette so no chance he ever gets hobby love. I'm never a fan of investing in "sleepers" but if I needed to pick 3 guys from '19 I'd go: Paschall, KPJ, and Bazley

10-13-2020, 12:48 PM	#5
colbycolbycolby Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: ATX Posts: 632	It's Thybulle since his D will keep him on the court. If he can develop (and he should) an offensive skillset, hell be a top 5 two-way player in 5 years.

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GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	Rui...

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jadg79 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 75 braiden79	Rui But Coby White, Cam Reddish and Keldon Johnson could be in the conversation. Keldon was really good in the bubble. He was expected to be a lottery pick. Coby and Cam played well after the all-star game Coby is a scoring machine and Cam have a good size and skills Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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DiamondDonovan Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 796	Eric Paschall...a healthy Warriors team is very likely to make the playoffs once again and even with Wiggins, Paschall will be first off the bench and in regular rotation.

10-13-2020, 03:23 PM	#16
PSA2Pac Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 3,893	Cam Reddish

10-13-2020, 06:22 PM	#17
Spink Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: USA Posts: 389	No expert. Rui is sharper shooter from mid-range. I think he will extend his range.

10-13-2020, 06:23 PM	#18
rippev Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,713	Between these two, I think PJ has a lot more upside. Rui is fine, but boring to me as a player.

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Fratboy Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,536	Does Dylan Windler not have his own thread yet?

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cassijon Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Canada Posts: 661 cassijon_09 cassijon	hands down, Eric Paschall.