How important are lesser supers?

[unclemonkey]

Setting aside the Big supers (update, chrome, draft, heritage, etc...)

What are your feelings on next tier supers?

Or supers from Bowmans Best, Finest, or even Silver Packs. Inserts and manufactured 1/1 like Transcendent.

Many times I love a design but it is hard to judge long term value or fair market value.

[jw8]

Interesting question that I've also wondered myself. My personal perspective is if you go flagship you can't go wrong, I often times buy a couple nice Bowman best atomics or heritage chromes but they never seem to gain as much steam as the flagship products.

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[badlarrys]

I scoop them up when I like them for the PC or especially if I am close to a rainbow

I know the resell will be there with Miggy, may not be earth shattering resale, but there if needed.

Personally I love Finest and was able to get the whole rainbow!

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[rman112]

They're less super.

[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

I scoop them up when I like them for the PC or especially if I am close to a rainbow

I know the resell will be there with Miggy, may not be earth shattering resale, but there if needed.

Personally I love Finest and was able to get the whole rainbow!

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Respect!

[speedyjg13]

As a player collector, they are important to me for my player PCs

A couple examples below

2019 Panini Optic Rated Rookie Superfractor Auto 1/1


2019 Topps Chrome Fletcher/Arcia Dual Auto 1/1


2019 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash RC Auto 1/1

[MJRaider]

More like Goodfractors

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

As a player collector, they are important to me for my player PCs

A couple examples below

2019 Panini Optic Rated Rookie Superfractor Auto 1/1


2019 Topps Chrome Fletcher/Arcia Dual Auto 1/1


2019 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash RC Auto 1/1

Panini doesn’t make a Superfractor.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Panini doesn’t make a Superfractor.

Whatever they wanna call it (i really don't know), looks identical to a superfractor lol

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Whatever they wanna call it (i really don't know), looks identical to a superfractor lol

I could be wrong but I think it’s a Gold Vinyl.

[HRBELLI2017]

If the player ends up being a stud even base RC's that are not flagship could explode.
Example:
Look up the value of a PSA 10 1987 OPC Barry Bonds

[TheFreeShipper]

Buy them if you like them. Sometimes insert supers allow you to buy a 1/1 of a player you may never be able to afford.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

Setting aside the Big supers (update, chrome, draft, heritage, etc...)

What are your feelings on next tier supers?

Or supers from Bowmans Best, Finest, or even Silver Packs. Inserts and manufactured 1/1 like Transcendent.

Many times I love a design but it is hard to judge long term value or fair market value.

I find that 1/1 in 3rd tier or lower (or insert 1/1s in top tier) do seem to grow in value less than their main product peers.

BUT I get the feeling that someone is always willing to buy one, so they are reasonably liquid

I do pick up many 1/1 within non-core products for my PC players and they are fun


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[crpav]

I have the red 2019 heritage minors 1/1 Luis Robert and it’s awesome. Pulled it myself from a case I opened. Get lost if you think it’s worthless and sucks.

[MoreToppsPlease]

It’s all relative: supers are “as important” as their base are important.

So if nobody cares about the base, nobody’s going to care about the associated 1/1.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

It’s all relative: supers are “as important” as their base are important.

So if nobody cares about the base, nobody’s going to care about the associated 1/1.

By “nobody cares” do you mean “I’m still willing to spend $$$, even though I don’t normally collect this product”???

I mean, I see Topps Fire 1/1 going for $$$... panini gold vinyl 1/1 going for $$$$$... triple threads “white whale” going for $$$$

I mean, it’s not like they don’t sell, even if their basic product is largely panned by collectors


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[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pewe

By “nobody cares” do you mean “I’m still willing to spend $$$, even though I don’t normally collect this product”???

I mean, I see Topps Fire 1/1 going for $$$... panini gold vinyl 1/1 going for $$$$$... triple threads “white whale” going for $$$$

I mean, it’s not like they don’t sell, even if their basic product is largely panned by collectors


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I get what you’re saying, but the problem with this point of view is that it assumes that the more expensive something is the more important it is.

This is far from the truth, and even farther for 1/1s. The hobby repeatedly demonstrates that rarity alone does not equal value even if flippers frequently claim it does.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

I get what you’re saying, but the problem with this point of view is that it assumes that the more expensive something is the more important it is.

This is far from the truth, and even farther for 1/1s. The hobby repeatedly demonstrates that rarity alone does not equal value even if flippers frequently claim it does.

This reminds me of my college psychology professor who disagreed when I posited money and power go hand in hand. Well, perhaps not absolutely true, but they don’t wander far apart.

In the end, it’s what someone will pay for it. And $$ does say something about how important it is to at least a few folks.

I’m not sure how to assess “importance”... but willingness to pay is at least a clear signal of something


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[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pewe

This reminds me of my college psychology professor who disagreed when I posited money and power go hand in hand. Well, perhaps not absolutely true, but they don’t wander far apart.

In the end, it’s what someone will pay for it. And $$ does say something about how important it is to at least a few folks.

I’m not sure how to assess “importance”... but willingness to pay is at least a clear signal of something


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Perhaps, but we’re talking about one-of-a-kind cards. If Bill Gates pays $1M for a super but nobody else wants it enough to buy it from him for $50, the card isn’t worth $50 - never mind $1M even if one guy was willing to pay that much for it before.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by rman112

They're less super.

I agree with this.

[no10pin]

I have a few mediocrefractors of my PC guys, it's nice that they are less popular so they are less expensive!

[Maxcd]

Originally Posted by crpav

I have the red 2019 heritage minors 1/1 Luis Robert and it’s awesome. Pulled it myself from a case I opened. Get lost if you think it’s worthless and sucks.

please share a picture! this seems awesome!

Heritage Minors is one of my favorite sets!

[unclemonkey]

LOL... yall just talked me off a cliff.

[smapdi]

I like them fine. There are so many, if the player has any prominence, that you can probably find one if you are persistent and would be satisfied with any old one. For a serious player collection, they provide a breadth and depth to the collection.

If you're talking about rookie/logo rookie cards, then yes, there is a hierarchy to them and the lesser brands and Bowman inserts can be frustrating in the way their values tend to slope away quickly from the Bowman Chrome peak, but they're always going to hold some value. Though from a personal perspective I haven't like most of Bowman's designs for the last decade or so, and I prefer many other brands from a visual sense. And you never know, things evolve. Just as Heritage autos, especially red inks, have gotten to be pretty strong for rookies, Heritage also seems to be a little above the curve for non-auto'd supers and could continue to gain.

[unclemonkey]

I was going over something similar in another thread. Breaking down the Top 30 cards across all product lines and the arc of a career.

Depending on the design... High Tek, Bowman's Best, Topps Finest, Inception all have some attractive cards. Even some within flagship... mojo and silver packs.

From an not insignificant but doable investment perspective, I place even these 2nd tier supers behind the flagship red and oranges.

So it gets back to the career arc and where a card or product line ranks.

Limited downside balanced by bragging rights? Some upside as an "investment" plays a part as well.

Really talked myself out of a purchase... for the moment.