2012-13 Prizm Basketball Hobby Case (Questions)

[Ginger Ale]

I saw this 2012-13 Prizm Hobby Case for 69k+ on Ebay (Free Shipping) and I had some questions as a long-term investment:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392853481339

1. What could this be worth in 10 years?
2. Is it ever worth breaking this case for any reason?
3. How many are in existence?
4. Could it be worth more than an 1986 Fleer case one day?
5. If you purchased this, would you fly and pick it up or would you trust shipping?
6. Is this a smart, stupid, risky, or safe long term investment?

Just wondering, any feedback is appreciated.

[alexlazarevich]

It is risky. But if I had 500K+ in savings, I would take the risk with that 70K. Try to get all provenance you can from the transaction and save it for when you decide to sell. If there is no provenance, I would walk away from it. I would not open it. I would make the transaction in person at an agreed upon location, like a notary or something similar.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Ginger Ale

I saw this 2012-13 Prizm Hobby Case for 69k+ on Ebay (Free Shipping) and I had some questions as a long-term investment:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392853481339

1. What could this be worth in 10 years?
2. Is it ever worth breaking this case for any reason?
3. How many are in existence?
4. Could it be worth more than an 1986 Fleer case one day?
5. If you purchased this, would you fly and pick it up or would you trust shipping?
6. Is this a smart, stupid, risky, or safe long term investment?

Just wondering, any feedback is appreciated.

The Fleer case is going to hit $2 million minimum. It's probably the only one that exists unless the consignor has more. 1986 Fleer has it's place in history, 2012 has almost cemented it's own place but it will always be chasing. A better comparison would be 1996 Topps Chrome with the equivalent number of boxes and I would still say no.

[mc1]

Whats a box break look like? I wasnt breaking any boxes back then and have never opened full box since.

24 silvers, 24 autos, 24 inserts per case ? Maybe 2-3 golds.

Good investment if kept sealed. Wouldnt ever think of busting.

[Ginger Ale]

6 cards per pack, 20 packs per box, 12 boxes per case.

2 silver per box, 2 inserts per box., 2 autos per box.

1 gold per case.

Originally Posted by mc1

Whats a box break look like? I wasnt breaking any boxes back then and have never opened full box since.

24 silvers, 24 autos, 24 inserts per case ? Maybe 2-3 golds.

Good investment if kept sealed. Wouldnt ever think of busting.

I

[oldgoldy97]

Why would you want junk wax?

[Ginger Ale]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Why would you want junk wax?

"You can't win if you don't play." - Kareem.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Ginger Ale

6 cards per pack, 20 packs per box, 12 boxes per case.

2 silver per box, 2 inserts per box., 2 autos per box.

1 gold per case.




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Found this from 2013

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

[Ra3]

If Kawhi and the clippers trade NBA championships and finals mvps with Lebron/AD and the lakers for the next 5+ years, i could see this approaching 50-75% of fleer 86 levels. Barring that...I think it’s a tough ask to get to parity with Jordan and co.

[alexlazarevich]

I opened 5 cases back when it came out, it was definitely more than 1 gold per case:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=408372

[Ginger Ale]

This is great info, thank you.

#21 said he pulled 5 golds from 1 case. Wow.

Do you recall roughly how many kawhi's you got?

I watched all the youtube breaks and klay and damian are super common, didn't see a lot of kawhi base.

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

I opened 5 cases back when it came out, it was definitely more than 1 gold per case:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=408372

[gomiamigo]

Very risky and I would insist on in person in bank lobby or similar.

[alexlazarevich]

All the detailed information about the break is lost, I'm sorry. I had a blog called cardboardaddict.com, but that has been lost due to my life falling apart in 2014-16. I don't remember how many Kawhi's I got, but they were all sold. I still have monster boxes somewhere in my step dad's basement with 10-30 of some of the base cards. No stars or RCs.

Originally Posted by Ginger Ale

This is great info, thank you.

#21 said he pulled 5 golds from 1 case. Wow.

Do you recall roughly how many kawhi's you got?

I watched all the youtube breaks and klay and damian are super common, didn't see a lot of kawhi base.

[Ginger Ale]

Be careful, step dads basement sounds like it could flood or be cherry picked.

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

All the detailed information about the break is lost, I'm sorry. I had a blog called cardboardaddict.com, but that has been lost due to my life falling apart in 2014-16. I don't remember how many Kawhi's I got, but they were all sold. I still have monster boxes somewhere in my step dad's basement with 10-30 of some of the base cards. No stars or RCs.

[90sbasketballin]

I think it's a solid investment considering modern-day prices. It may seem crazy, but money is being injected into the hobby left and right. There's always a demand for 2012-13 products because of the amazing rookie possibilities. AD hoops rookies (low tier product) is selling for $30 and only climbing up.

With modern collectors growing up and becoming the next generation of collectors, this is THE product with rookies of Kawhi, AD, Damian, Klay, etc.

First-year Prizm, a chance at a rookie/superstar gold, bunch of silver parallels that sell well. If I had the funds, I would take the "risk".

[whoaitsg33]

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

I opened 5 cases back when it came out, it was definitely more than 1 gold per case:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=408372

“Your banking on your Lillard #1/10 Gold right now bro! I bid it up to $800.00 and then stopped. I think you will get close to $1,500.00 for it!”


I need a time machine.

[HoodaBest2k20]

Most of the vet base has started to go down again. Risky. How much would a case run you in 2012?


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[Orangejello727]

I was in Houdini's 5 case break of 2012 prizm. We pulled 7 golds out one case. 3 golds out 1 pack alone!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

All the detailed information about the break is lost, I'm sorry. I had a blog called cardboardaddict.com, but that has been lost due to my life falling apart in 2014-16. I

Wayback machine should help here.

[alexlazarevich]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Wayback machine should help here.

Holy crap dude, I had no idea this existed. Some of my posts are in their database. Way cool. Thanks!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Ra3

If Kawhi and the clippers trade NBA championships and finals mvps with Lebron/AD and the lakers for the next 5+ years, i could see this approaching 50-75% of fleer 86 levels. Barring that...I think it’s a tough ask to get to parity with Jordan and co.

$1 million-$1.5 million case? I like the double rookie class in 2012 but you're saying those boxes are going to be worth $100,000 each.....you have to remember each 1986 Fleer box will have 3 of each major RC. 2012 Prizm isn't like that.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by HoodaBest2k20

Most of the vet base has started to go down again. Risky. How much would a case run you in 2012?


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Probably about $1000.

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

$1 million-$1.5 million case? I like the double rookie class in 2012 but you're saying those boxes are going to be worth $100,000 each.....you have to remember each 1986 Fleer box will have 3 of each major RC. 2012 Prizm isn't like that.

Yeah that’s a fair point, and I’m definitely playing a little loose with the numbers here. To be fair, I did say 50-75%, and not parity.

I’m also assuming that the scarcity of silver prizms vs. 86 base will help a little, and dreaming about what type of things would have to occur for 2012 prizm to get there. Not likely, to say the least, but it’s kinda fun to think about if you own boxes or cards from the issue.

I’m also assuming things like Kawhi winning five or six rings and five or six finals mvps, plus Lebron winning six rings, plus AD wining three rings and three mvps or something like that exorbitantly boosts their card prices so that the prizm case literally becomes a box full of winning lottery tickets.

That’s the sort of thing it would take...and I don’t really know what the expected collation is, so what would a case have? Maybe 10 of each, all in probably pretty good condition?

Plus some shots at silver/gold/parallels and inserts of those guys and curry, Klay, Lillard, etc? It could add up...and like I said, lots of fun to think about...when Giannis sweeps the next five nba rings it won’t be the same...

[MBMiller25]

Originally Posted by Ginger Ale

I saw this 2012-13 Prizm Hobby Case for 69k+ on Ebay (Free Shipping) and I had some questions as a long-term investment:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392853481339

1. What could this be worth in 10 years?
2. Is it ever worth breaking this case for any reason?
3. How many are in existence?
4. Could it be worth more than an 1986 Fleer case one day?
5. If you purchased this, would you fly and pick it up or would you trust shipping?
6. Is this a smart, stupid, risky, or safe long term investment?

Just wondering, any feedback is appreciated.

This seller has no interest In selling this case. It was $49,999 OBO on eBay two weeks ago. I tried to buy it. The seller won’t engage at all. I wanted to send the case to Steve at BBCE and let him essentially act as the escrow for the deal, they wouldn’t respond to that. In fact the next day they raised their price to $53,999 and removed the best offer.

Additionally they have taken a side out of the side of the case box like they cut a label off the box with a knife and left raw cardboard behind. It was initially pictured and has subsequently been removed from the listing.

Anyway, if you are to jump in, I wanted you to have the facts.

[patchgenie]

has HOF locks in AD and kawhi, probably dame too. wouldn't buy it, but the price will just rise in the future. probably a safe play sealed. wish i kept my 12-13 stuff sealed. never got anything great besides scrub autos.